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TrueBrit:

...success is NOT a measure of how much effort you put in, but a measure of how lucky you were.

Total tripe! So, according to your skewed mindset, my being made redundant after 36 years of unbroken employment was down to (bad) luck. It wasn't due to the 2008 financial corruption, it was down to my luck turning sour? Well, who'd a thunk it?

There's me thinking that because of the people who brought about the 2008 financial corruption and the austerity measures introduced to repair it, that the industry of the company I worked for, who manufactured classroom technology, was hit badly hit. Education budgets around the world took a nose dive as the funds for education were syphoned off to other areas. Basically, the company I worked for lost its client base...no more orders.

No! It wasn't luck of any kind, it was people that caused my redundancy, and it was people who kept me unemployed for four years, and it was a person who gave me a role in a company for which I applied for. Substitute the word 'luck' with the word 'people' and yo have your cause for failure.

originally posted by: elysiumfire


In all of this, there is an individual social responsibility. The government are mandated to provide both the tools and the resources by which the individual can improve themselves and their circumstances. The lazy will fail, whilst the hard working will succeed and contribute. Those that fail will only be able to blame themselves, but a means and path for them should be available once they understand that only their own endeavour will make them a success, it won't be handed to them on a plate for nothing. Business and industry is also mandated to provide the the tools and the resources as well.

Oh do # off.

I worked my arse off to get two degrees (including distinction and merit in applied mathematics) having come from a sink estate and was mentoring and lecturing at University until a car ran me over and made me disabled - is it my fault I can no longer afford to live because the Conseervatives have punished the disabled so much for purely ideological reasons and made us the first countrry in the world found guilty by the UN for Crimes Against Humanity?

Will be voting Labour - no chance I could ever vote Tory scum especially with them cutting the NHS, education, social care so they can keep giving tax cuts to their rich mates, rig the banks and make the UK a tax haven.

28/03/2017 - As a pro-European party, we deeply regret the decision of the UK to leave the European Union. PES president Sergei Stanishev said: "The months ahead will be challenging for Britain and for the EU. But progressive parties across Europe, linked by the Party of European Socialists, are united in their clear priorities for the forthcoming negotiations over the Brexit process.

This is PES stated policy and follows from it clear requirements over what Britain should be allowed to do or not .// PES website

They stand with the EPP on everything too . In other words , if we vote Corbyn in , there will not be a Brexit where we as a country are in a position to tell these little arbitrators from Europe where to stick it . We'll still be their (the EU's) monkeys under Labour !!!

Labour are pro-Europe : _fact . Get out of that one Corbyn !

When the attack on Syria was voted down by the parliament, against the request of PM Cameron, that wasn't because of PM Cameron had majority problems.
What would be even more embarrassing than that, is to have the parliament vote in favor of striking Syria and yet having the military and the govt being unable to do so, after shouting like monkeys for 6 years.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: TrueBrit

I hear every word you are saying brit, I really do.

The fact is that there is no alternative.

To actually be out of the EU means we must be outside the framework of the EU courts, single market and every other body that comes under that banner.


All this hard and soft Brexit stuff is just a ruse to dilute the referendum result, anything less than a hard Brexit is no brexit at all.

The Lib Dems are vehemently opposed to any loosening of our ties to the EU, Labour are also, but being a little bit cute with their words.

Ukip aren't going to do anything except talk rubbish and fight among themselves.



I want to be free and clear of the EU, I don't want there to be any regulatory or financial ties between us anymore, that's what I voted for and, may my tongue turn black for saying it, the Tories are the only ones who look like they can deliver.


As for the dangers of their baseline settings being about corporatism, anti union legislation etc. You are dead right. But in years, we have the chance to reverse that, if we allow the others to screw up our exit from the EU, we might never have the chance to be free again.

Twenty years ago, I'd have laughed so hard at the idea that I would ever put my cross in that box, now though, I can truly see no alternative at all.

^ THIS! Could not agree more

The only problem with that though is the Tories still want strong ties with the EU. In fact they're on record saying they want the current framework minus Human Rights or the UK having MEPs/a democratic say, just have to pay billions for the 'privellege' via the divorce agreement.

originally posted by: bastion
The only problem with that though is the Tories still want strong ties with the EU. In fact they're on record saying they want the current framework minus Human Rights or the UK having MEPs/a democratic say, just have to pay billions for the 'privellege' via the divorce agreement.

Source?

And ok who would you rather instead?

a reply to: fusiondoe

www.independent.co.uk...

www.telegraph.co.uk...


www.channel4.com...

Personally I think Brexit was a terrible outcome as it revokes our say in EU affairs and does nothing to prevent us from still being subject to them - UKIP are mental and Tories have already withdrawn or broken pretty much every Brexit promise and are still flip flopping polar opposite policies on a weekly basis. If people are after a hard brexit voting for either of those would be a bad move, truth is there's no competent party offering it.

originally posted by: bastion
The only problem with that though is the Tories still want strong ties with the EU. In fact they're on record saying they want the current framework minus Human Rights or the UK having MEPs/a democratic say, just have to pay billions for the 'privellege' via the divorce agreement.

No . Some of the tory party MP are still allied to Europeans , notably Heseltine and Ken Clarke . NBOld guard - waht does that say.
You have got to , in the end , put the EPP into this , into people's understandings of what Europe has become .
The EPP is the umbrella group , which runs every EU facet - the commission the parliament and the council . Probably the Courts too . Its membership extends right across Europe , to the extent that every party right of centre in all of Europe is a member of it .
However ,the conservative party left this umbrrella group in 2009 over policy disagreements . This is how you know all those other memberr parties in Europe do what they told by the EPP leadershipdo what they told by the EPP leadership . But Cameron told them "no", and took the tories out , later forming a new unbrella group - Europe of
Nations and Freedom.
Good for him because with the above facts in mind the EPP is a group which has grown too big and way too powerful since 2000 . It is _not democratically elected as a party either , the member parties are , and so it usurps power from national democracies . Nations became mere regions of Europe because of the EPP. We can't have that , and the other countries must come to understand this too .It's not all that hard to work out .
British MEPs , or really any other country's individual MEPs , have no real say in what happens in Europe , because they are vastly out numbered or directed towards collective policy decisions by the EPP leadership . You have to have an umbrella group to qualfy for funding within the European Parliament to get your MEPs tyhere in the first place . Thus the EPP draws funds from , and takes the decisions for , the EU .

The ENF only just managed to find enough members to qualify for funding , and their stance is pro Brexit because of the strong resistance to changes to the nature of what Europe has become . The constitution(the means of working of Europe) has allowed this EPP to become dominant , and to serve it's self interests , which are not the relinquishing of power in the name of democratic fairness , far from it , but they want a European Army too .

I've said I'd say again , Cameron and Osborne are brave old boys . They will f&ck pigs heads and they will give the finger effectively to Tusk and his EPP buddies , Merkel, Junker , Corbyn, the whole lot of them are EPP or PES . Secretly yes , but some things have had to happen on the quiet . Meanwhile the Britsih public has a chance to remain free .
If TM was in on this , and I think she was , then we have got give them our vote , simply must do , at least , this time round .

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CulturalResilience
a reply to: Soloprotocol
If that doesn't disgust you your standards must be very low indeed.

Two consenting adults having sex disgusts you?

No, anyone at all having sex with Diane Abbot disgusts me.

What about say having sex with say Theresa May or Susan Boyle..or is it just plump african women you fear. ?

There is no woman on the planet that I fear. Morbidly obese women of any ethnicity disgust me. There is a difference between fright and a gag reflex. Your weak attempt to make me out as a racist does not fly.

I never said you were rascist. I hinted that you might be scared of woman of African origin. You and Crazyewok could be suffereing from Afrobia.

As I said in the post that you have just quoted without bothering to read it seems, there is no woman on the planet that I am afraid of, but there are plenty of women, of various ethnicities that disgust me.

originally posted by: bastion
minus Human Rights or the UK having MEPs/a democratic say,

The UK gave Europe human rights and were the architects of the current baselines. What the UK does not want is the EU courts over-ruling UK courts and setting precedents that are actually, or perceived as being unfair or inconsistent with UK precedents. The European courts are accountable to undemocratic bodies, so where's the redress? The UK courts are ultimately accountable to Parliament who make UK law.

That's the whole basis of Brexit was about for some people.

Additionally, the whole EU is fundamentally undemocratic. MEPs are impotent and the rest is EU government without democratic representation.

a reply to: paraphi

Agree with all that but UK judges wrote 75% of EU Law so not much would change post Brexit (we'd still be subject according to May and prominent Troy front benchers depending what day of the week it is - see first source above for May claiming polar opposite of todays manifesto pledges)

It could be that May is a British traitor and set this election to hang parliament along with Brexit , but as with Trump's election , it's those fake news msms (your sources) that stink the worst . Or that channel 4 in particular set up some trumped allegations against her MPs to break May's majority , right about now. The CPS disclaims and says the timing is irrelevant to them , but the charges they face are from the 2015 election , its now 2017 .

The bbc are no better imo , when we say Governemnt mouthpeice - not the tory govt of the UK , but they are most likely the mouthpeice of the EPP . That's the govt in Europe , and in this country until March 29th 2017 . They are not going to just give up the bbc , and the bbc don't want to help us
(true) Brits do Brexit properly

a reply to: ZIPMATT

I don't see a hung parliament anytime soon, I suspect there will be a massive conservative majority in the commons on the 8th of June.
Just my opinion of course but I'd bet my life on it with a gun to my head.

a reply to: grainofsand

there could have been a hung parliament if she hadn't called the election , because of channel 4 's 'exclusive' investigation into several MPs which has resulted in police deciding to charge them , and the cps , very soon , Next month . Linked in this thread by , Maxatoria wa it ?
I hope your're right . I dont do bets very often at all , but when I do , I clean up . *fires up oddschecker*
Vive La France !

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ZIPMATT

I don't see a hung parliament anytime soon, I suspect there will be a massive conservative majority in the commons on the 8th of June.
Just my opinion of course but I'd bet my life on it with a gun to my head.

Don't forget Trump @ 150 : 1 way back when . Mind how you go

a reply to: ZIPMATT

Lol, I wouldn't be surprised by anything at the moment in world politics.
Corbyn is a wet blanket though, I think only citizen Smith types will vote for him.
You know, people who crave the comfort blanket of a socialist state. People who blame everything about their #ty lives on the government.
People who struggle with personal responsibility.

a reply to: grainofsand

They should have listened like the capitalists of the world did when Marx's existentialism stated that

"All profit is the result of the exploitation of labour" .

Surely those postulating that they represent 'the workforce' are themselves grandees wearing overalls .

a reply to: ZIPMATT

I'm self employed so I have little time for the whining of cattle employees to be honest.
I slashed my hand open yesterday by accident but no sick pay obviously so it's strapped up and I'm working as usual, albeit painfully lol.
I prefer the freedom and lack of benefits in self employment to the comfort blanket of being an employee.
Choices is all, but some entitled types will always claim there is no choice.
I say bull#.

a reply to: grainofsand

not off topic : if people were taught business studies as a requirement at school , maybe they wouldnt suffer from the perception that the status quo is set against them . It really isn't , except by recent corporate dominance , and the rigging of who owns land .

Agricultural subsidies have put people in the wrong directions , into cities and away from using their innovation with natural resources . They've made landowners richer and richer , and all because , they own land in the first place ? It's mostly Europe's fault too, they've massively impoverished the african nations on the way . Ag subsidies / agriculture in general, if that could be sorted , and people shown the benefits ... but , which if any are offering that .

You have to feel a bit sorry for the misguided in life , I blame teachers in away , and they might vote for Corbyn