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originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
Priory of Sion today, the official Order
I seem to recall that these were a bunch of Nazis?
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
Priory of Sion today, the official Order
I seem to recall that these were a bunch of Nazis?
The proof Pierre Plantard was not a Nazi is that he was a Freemason...
... is based on the jew tradition...
Perhaps, but Brown did not invent the central premise...he just built a thriller around it. Read The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail. It may be speculative poop...but it's interesting speculative poop.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Hell everyone in the thread thinks they're real. They're not.
originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
Perhaps, but Brown did not invent the central premise...he just built a thriller around it. Read The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail. It may be speculative poop...but it's interesting speculative poop.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Hell everyone in the thread thinks they're real. They're not.
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
Priory of Sion today, the official Order
I seem to recall that these were a bunch of Nazis?
The proof Pierre Plantard was not a Nazi is that he was a Freemason...
Don't be naive! That is absurd 'logic' and proves nothing!
... is based on the jew tradition...
The way that you write;
"...is based on the jew tradition..."
is the language of antiSemites, despite your 'explanation'.
Thank you for playing, but so far, the question remains.
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
Priory of Sion today, the official Order
I seem to recall that these were a bunch of Nazis?
The proof Pierre Plantard was not a Nazi is that he was a Freemason...
Don't be naive! That is absurd 'logic' and proves nothing!
... is based on the jew tradition...
The way that you write;
"...is based on the jew tradition..."
is the language of antiSemites, despite your 'explanation'.
Thank you for playing, but so far, the question remains.
Today too many irregular bodies, calls themselves "Freemasons" and they just blur the name of Freemasonry.
When we talk about Freemasonry, we just should look at the regular one, because the "other" are just........nothing.
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
Priory of Sion today, the official Order
I seem to recall that these were a bunch of Nazis?
The proof Pierre Plantard was not a Nazi is that he was a Freemason...
Don't be naive! That is absurd 'logic' and proves nothing!
... is based on the jew tradition...
The way that you write;
"...is based on the jew tradition..."
is the language of antiSemites, despite your 'explanation'.
Thank you for playing, but so far, the question remains.
Today too many irregular bodies, calls themselves "Freemasons" and they just blur the name of Freemasonry.
When we talk about Freemasonry, we just should look at the regular one, because the "other" are just........nothing.
As soon as someone tells me that their Perspective is the only one, the only way, I often phase into 'supportive mode' and do as I can to keep them from harming themself or others.
Or I distance myself.
Putting down other Perspectives looks (and bodes) poorly.
It's the same old vanity from which religion springs! *__-
Statistically, some Freemasons must be antiSemitic, Nazis even.
Personally, I couldn't care less if Freemasons put on leotards and fcuked the sheep!
Just not my sheep! *__-
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
originally posted by: namelesss
originally posted by: ValerieMonroe
Priory of Sion today, the official Order
I seem to recall that these were a bunch of Nazis?
The proof Pierre Plantard was not a Nazi is that he was a Freemason...
Don't be naive! That is absurd 'logic' and proves nothing!
... is based on the jew tradition...
The way that you write;
"...is based on the jew tradition..."
is the language of antiSemites, despite your 'explanation'.
Thank you for playing, but so far, the question remains.
Today too many irregular bodies, calls themselves "Freemasons" and they just blur the name of Freemasonry.
When we talk about Freemasonry, we just should look at the regular one, because the "other" are just........nothing.
As soon as someone tells me that their Perspective is the only one, the only way, I often phase into 'supportive mode' and do as I can to keep them from harming themself or others.
Or I distance myself.
Putting down other Perspectives looks (and bodes) poorly.
It's the same old vanity from which religion springs! *__-
Statistically, some Freemasons must be antiSemitic, Nazis even.
Personally, I couldn't care less if Freemasons put on leotards and fcuked the sheep!
Just not my sheep! *__-
Looks like a serious thing this "statistic" you are talking about, and tell me, how many Freemasons, according to your statistic, should be Nazi or anti-semitic? 50 to 100.000? 20 to 750.000?
I am sure you even have the sources to state this.
About the regularity of the initiatic bodies, It is just a matter of objectivity :
to explain it through a more direct comparison, which doesn't requires any competence to be understood, let's say that as you cannot learn a martial art, dancing or any other sport, alone, just through a book or just together with incompetent people which never attended a Gym, so you cannot become a Freemason just by yourself, and, for the same reason you cannot open a Gym or a masonic Lodge, when the only source of your knowledge is just a book.
Try to imagine a Karate instructor which just studied it through books, then bought a black belt, and opened a Dojo.
You are not an Initiate, because to be initiated, you have to receive a real initiation and this can be given just from someone which has the legitimate authority to transmit it to you
originally posted by: kibric
a reply to: ValerieMonroe
You are not an Initiate, because to be initiated, you have to receive a real initiation and this can be given just from someone which has the legitimate authority to transmit it to you
there are orders where you have to initiate yourself
reach a level of knowledge and power by yourself
and your invited
a legitimate authority is not always recorded on paper...
Gualdi was an authority
but his initiates aren't on paper
Its nice to see you have such Love for Masonry
Orders which promotes self-initiation are not regular and there are serious reasons why Initiation has place through transmission and a Ritual which comes to the Initiate from an uninterrupted chain.
Gualdi was an ermetist and an alchimist, but at that time, this was considered a crime, that is why he was hiding his belonging to the "Aura-Crucis", which was a Secret Society, exactly as many other just because there was the penality of death for the members of those organizations
Today that belonging to initiatic Orders is perfectly legal, most of times, are impostors which wants to stay hide, just because they cannot prove they are legitimate.
but you cannot initiate yourself for real.
...Priory of Sion, is the name given to a fringe fraternal organisation, founded and dissolved in France in 1956 by Pierre Plantard as part of a hoax. In the 1960s, Plantard created a fictitious history for that organization, describing it as a secret society founded by Godfrey of Bouillon on Mount Zion in the Kingdom of Jerusalem in 1099, conflating it with a genuine historical monastic order, the Abbey of Our Lady of Mount Zion. In Plantard's version, the Priory was devoted to installing a secret bloodline of the Merovingian dynasty on the thrones of France and the rest of Europe.[2] This myth was expanded upon and popularised by the 1982 pseudohistorical [3] book The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail[1] and later claimed as factual in the preface of the 2003 novel The Da Vinci Code.[4]
After becoming a cause célèbre from the late 1960s to the 1980s, the mythical Priory of Sion was exposed as a ludibrium created by Plantard as a framework for his claim of being the Great Monarch prophesied by Nostradamus.[5] Evidence presented in support of its historical existence and activities before 1956 was discovered to have been forged and then planted in various locations around France by Plantard and his accomplices. Nevertheless, many conspiracy theorists still persist in believing that the Priory of Sion is an age-old cabal that conceals a subversive secret.[6]
The Priory of Sion myth has been exhaustively debunked by journalists and scholars as one of the great hoaxes of the 20th century.[7] Some skeptics have expressed concern that the proliferation and popularity of books, websites and films inspired by this hoax have contributed to the subject of conspiracy theories, pseudohistory and other confusions becoming more mainstream.[8]
You probably cherish your right to believe whatever you wish to believe. So does almost everyone else. By exercising this right, earth’s six billion inhabitants have produced an amazing diversity of beliefs. Like the variations in color, shape, texture, taste, smell, and sound that we find in creation, differing beliefs often add interest, excitement, and enjoyment to life. Such variety can, indeed, be the spice of life.—Psalm 104:24.
BUT there is a need for caution. Some beliefs are not only different but also dangerous. Early in the 20th century, for example, some people came to believe that Jews and Freemasons had plans to “disrupt Christian civilization and erect a world state under their joint rule.” One source of this belief was an anti-Semitic tract entitled Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. The tract alleged that the plans included advocating excessive taxation, promoting armament production, encouraging giant monopolies so that ‘Gentile wealth could be destroyed in one blow.’ Allegations also included manipulating the education system so as to ‘turn Gentiles into unthinking beasts,’ and even constructing underground railways to join capital cities so that the Jewish elders could ‘quell any opposers by blowing them sky-high.’
These, of course, were lies—designed to inflame anti-Semitic feelings. ‘This preposterous fiction,’ says Mark Jones of the British Museum, ‘spread abroad from Russia,’ where it first appeared in a newspaper article in 1903. It reached The Times of London on May 8, 1920. More than a year later, The Times exposed the document as a fake. In the meantime, the damage had been done. ‘Lies like these,’ says Jones, ‘are hard to suppress.’ Once people accept them, they produce some very jaundiced, poisonous, and dangerous beliefs—often with disastrous consequences, as the history of the 20th century has shown.—Proverbs 6:16-19.
Belief Versus Truth
Of course, it does not take deliberate lies to develop mistaken beliefs. At times, we just misread things. How many people have met untimely deaths doing something they believed was right? Then again, often we believe a thing simply because we want to believe it. One professor says that even scientists “often fall in love with their own constructions.” Their beliefs becloud their critical judgment. Then they may spend a lifetime in vain trying to shore up mistaken beliefs.—Jeremiah 17:9.
Similar things have happened with religious beliefs—where immense contradictions exist. (1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:3, 4) One man has deep faith in God. Another says that the man is only “weaving faith out of moonshine.” One maintains that you have an immortal soul that survives death. Another believes that when you die you cease to exist, totally and completely. Obviously, conflicting beliefs like these cannot all be true. Is it not the course of wisdom, then, to make sure that what you believe actually is true and not simply what you want to believe? (Proverbs 1:5) How can you do that? The following article will examine this subject.
Why Do You Believe What You Believe?
To believe has been defined as “to accept as true, genuine, or real.” The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights enshrines every person’s “right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.” This right includes the freedom “to change his religion or belief” if he wants to do so.
WHY, though, would anyone want to change his religion or belief? “I have my own beliefs, and I am happy with them,” is the commonly expressed view. Many feel that even mistaken beliefs cause little harm to anyone. Someone who believes that the earth is flat, for example, is not likely to hurt himself or anyone else. “We should just agree to differ,” some say. Is that always wise? Would a doctor simply agree to differ if one of his colleagues continued to believe he could go straight from handling dead bodies in a morgue to examining sick patients in a hospital ward?
When it comes to religion, mistaken beliefs have historically caused great harm. Think of the horrors that resulted when religious leaders “inspired Christian zealots to pitiless violence” during the so-called Holy Crusades of the Middle Ages. Or think of the modern-day “Christian” gunmen in a recent civil war who, “just like medieval warriors who had saints’ names on their sword hilts, taped pictures of the Virgin to their rifle butts.” All these zealots believed that they were right. Yet, obviously in these and other religious struggles and fights, something was terribly wrong.
Why is there so much confusion and conflict? The Bible’s answer is that Satan the Devil is “misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Revelation 12:9; 2 Corinthians 4:4; 11:3) The apostle Paul warned that many religious people would, sadly, be “doomed to perish” because they would be deceived by Satan, who would “produce miracles and wonders calculated to deceive.” Such ones, said Paul, would “shut their minds to the love of truth which could have saved them” and would thus be ‘deluded into believing what is a lie.’ (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, The New Testament, by William Barclay) How can you minimize the possibility of believing a lie? Why, in fact, do you believe the way you do?
Brought Up to Believe It?
Perhaps you have been brought up in the beliefs of your family. That may well be a good thing. God wants parents to teach their children. (Deuteronomy 6:4-9; 11:18-21) The young man Timothy, for example, benefited greatly from listening to his mother and grandmother. (2 Timothy 1:5; 3:14, 15) The Scriptures encourage respect for what parents believe. (Proverbs 1:8; Ephesians 6:1) But did your Creator mean for you to believe things simply because your parents believe them? Unthinking adherence to what previous generations believed and did can, in fact, be dangerous.—Psalm 78:8; Amos 2:4.
A Samaritan woman who met Jesus Christ had been brought up to believe in her Samaritan religion. (John 4:20) Jesus respected her freedom to choose what she wanted to believe, but he also pointed out to her: “You worship what you do not know.” Many of her religious beliefs were, in fact, mistaken, and he told her that she would have to make changes in her beliefs if she was going to worship God acceptably—“with spirit and truth.” Rather than cling to what were no doubt cherished beliefs, she and others like her would, in time, have to become “obedient to the faith” revealed through Jesus Christ.—John 4:21-24, 39-41; Acts 6:7.
Educated to Believe It?
Many teachers and authorities in specialized fields of knowledge deserve great respect. Yet, history is littered with examples of renowned teachers who were absolutely wrong. For example, regarding two books on scientific matters written by Greek philosopher Aristotle, historian Bertrand Russell stated that “hardly a sentence in either can be accepted in the light of modern science.” Even modern-day authorities often get things drastically wrong. “Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible,” was the confident assertion of British scientist Lord Kelvin in 1895. A wise person, therefore, does not blindly believe that something is true simply because some authoritative teacher says it is.—Psalm 146:3.
The same caution is needed when it comes to religious education. The apostle Paul was well-educated by his religious teachers and was extremely “zealous for the traditions of [his] fathers.” His zeal for the traditional beliefs of his ancestors, however, actually created problems for him. It led to his “persecuting the congregation of God and devastating it.” (Galatians 1:13, 14; John 16:2, 3) Worse still, for a long time, Paul kept “kicking against the goads,” resisting the influences that should have led him to believe in Jesus Christ. It required a dramatic intervention by Jesus himself to move Paul to adjust his beliefs.—Acts 9:1-6; 26:14.
Influenced by the Media?
Maybe the media have greatly influenced your beliefs. Most people are glad that there is freedom of speech in the media, giving them access to information that can be useful. However, there are powerful forces that can and frequently do manipulate the media. What is often presented is biased information that can insidiously affect your thinking.
In addition, to appeal to or to attract a larger audience, the media tend to give publicity to what is sensational and unconventional. What could hardly be said or printed for public consumption just a few years ago has become commonplace today. Slowly but surely, established standards of behavior are attacked and whittled away. People’s thinking is gradually becoming distorted. They begin to believe that “good is bad and bad is good.”—Isaiah 5:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10.
Finding a Sound Basis for Belief
Building on the ideas and philosophies of men is like building on sand. (Matthew 7:26; 1 Corinthians 1:19, 20) On what, then, can you confidently base your beliefs? Since God has given you intellectual capacity to investigate the world around you and to ask questions concerning spiritual matters, does it not make sense that he would also provide the means to get accurate answers to your questions? (1 John 5:20) Yes, of course he would! How, though, can you establish what is true, genuine, or real in matters of worship? We have no hesitation in saying that God’s Word, the Bible, provides the only basis for doing this.—John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
“But wait,” someone will say, “is it not the very ones who have the Bible who have caused the most conflict and confusion in world affairs?” Well, it is true that religious leaders who claim to follow the Bible have produced many confusing and conflicting ideas. This is because they have not, in fact, based their beliefs on the Bible. The apostle Peter describes them as “false prophets” and “false teachers” who would create “destructive sects.” As a consequence of their activities, says Peter, “the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.” (2 Peter 2:1, 2) Still, writes Peter, “we have the prophetic word made more sure; and you are doing well in paying attention to it as to a lamp shining in a dark place.”—2 Peter 1:19; Psalm 119:105.
The Bible encourages us to check our beliefs against what it teaches. (1 John 4:1) Millions of readers of this magazine can testify that doing so has added purpose and stability to their lives. So be like the noble-minded Beroeans. ‘Carefully examine the Scriptures daily’ before you decide what to believe. (Acts 17:11) Jehovah’s Witnesses will be happy to help you to do this. Of course, it is your decision as to what you want to believe. However, it is the course of wisdom to make sure that your beliefs are shaped, not by human wisdom and desires, but, rather, by God’s revealed Word of truth.—1 Thessalonians 2:13; 5:21.
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You can with confidence base your beliefs on the Bible
“By clever and persevering use of propaganda even heaven can be represented as hell to the people, and conversely the most wretched life as paradise.”—ADOLF HITLER, MEIN KAMPF.
AS MEANS of communicating have expanded—from printing to the telephone, radio, television, and the Internet—the flow of persuasive messages has dramatically accelerated. This communications revolution has led to information overload, as people are inundated by countless messages from every quarter. Many respond to this pressure by absorbing messages more quickly and accepting them without questioning or analyzing them.
The cunning propagandist loves such shortcuts—especially those that short-circuit rational thought. Propaganda encourages this by agitating the emotions, by exploiting insecurities, by capitalizing on the ambiguity of language, and by bending rules of logic. As history bears out, such tactics can prove all too effective.
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Lies, Lies!
Certainly, the handiest trick of the propagandist is the use of outright lies. Consider, for example, the lies that Martin Luther wrote in 1543 about the Jews in Europe: “They have poisoned wells, made assassinations, kidnaped children . . . They are venomous, bitter, vindictive, tricky serpents, assassins, and children of the devil who sting and work harm.” His exhortation to so-called Christians? “Set fire to their synagogues or schools . . . Their houses [should] also be razed and destroyed.”
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