Islam in government: 9yo girls ready for sex, women must marry rapists

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes, but pointing at a third world country ran by a religion and saying, "Hey look guys! These guys are nuts and backwards!" like it is some shocking revelation

Hold it. Malaysia is not like that. Yes it's a Muslum-majority country and Muslims are favoured -- but not because they're Muslims: because they're ethnic Malays. 'Sons of the soil'. The rest of the population (about a third) is Chinese or Indian. In Borneo former headhunters (all Christians now) watch Bollywood movies on satellite TV in their longhouses.

Although it isn't very populous, Malaysia is big. It's rich, too, and most Malaysians get their share. The government is authoritarian and paternalistic but not particularly oppressive.

Some parts of Malaysia, especially on the west coast (which has always been a centre of world shipping and trade), are multicultural and pluralistic; on the east coast you find backwaters where the local industry is fishing or farming, and old traditional ways persist. Child brides and suchlike are ancient customs which pre-dated Islam (which arrived round about the time of the Renaissance in Europe) but easily received sanction by the mullahs.

Liberal, progressive Muslims all over Asia are actively trying to roll back these oppressive customs. The trouble in many cases (including, I believe, this one), is that special provisions for Muslims were written into the legal code by the British during colonial times, giving many of these old abuses the force of law. Abolishing these unjust laws is now an ongoing project in many Asian countries -- hence these controversies, which are now regular fare in regional media and political debate, from New Delhi to Jakarta.

In my own country, a similar debate is taking place among Muslims, who are a small but visible minority, notthe majority as in Malaysia.

All very titillating for Westerners who see world events mainly through the filter of their own concerns, but the reality is that times are changing, even in these hidebound Asian patriarchies.

originally posted by: Astyanax
All very titillating for Westerners who see world events mainly through the filter of their own concerns, but the reality is that times are changing, even in these hidebound Asian patriarchies.

And this is good. I was initially off put because the OP presented the situation in Malaysia much differently than how it is on the ground. As it stands now, after the correct version of events was provided to me, I see now that Malaysia is doing just fine and there is nothing to get outraged over.

a reply to: trollz

Does Malaysia believe in scientific studies or anything similar?

A 9 year old GIRL's body is NOT ready for childbirth. Hips are not nearly wide enough, etc.....

Serious life threatening issues will arise in a lot of those young women should they reproduce so early.

-Alee

originally posted by: NerdGoddess
a reply to: trollz

Does Malaysia believe in scientific studies or anything similar?

A 9 year old GIRL's body is NOT ready for childbirth. Hips are not nearly wide enough, etc.....

Serious life threatening issues will arise in a lot of those young women should they reproduce so early.

-Alee

Thank you. Religious people seem to believe that a female body can tolerate invasions and birthing without tearing.

a reply to: trollz

This is what happens when generation after generation is the result of inbreeding. Leftists like to call anyone right of far left "inbred trailer trash" and other lovely insults.

The funny thing is, that the only religion they embrace is highly inbred. Everything that people on the left claim to be fighting for is directly opposed by Islam and Islamic countries.

Cousin Marriage, rape, pedophilia, and discrimination against women and LGBT, what a lovely religion!

Middle East Inbreeding - GROSS!

a reply to: trollz

The only issue is this: What we consider illegal, immoral and "pedo"-anything...to them its normal. What we believe has little to do with them believing they are right. Just like us...

...this thinking is why we have wars...over belief systems. I can totally understand...why we and they dont understand...why they believe that way......whacked out as that is....

:/

originally posted by: trollz
Here's another gem from the "religion of peace".
This is the exact kind of sick mentality that Islam promotes, and the kind of mentality that becomes law when Muslims are allowed to rule.

Girls as young as nine are “physically and spiritually” ready for marriage, a Malaysian MP says

“They reach puberty at the age of nine or 12. And at that time, their body is already akin to them being 18 years old.

He went on to say there is “nothing wrong” with a rape victim marrying the man who raped her, as doing so would allow her to avoid a “bleak future."... ...She will have a husband, at least, and this could serve as a remedy

Under Islamic law, children younger than 16 can get married

Only 140 of the 12,987 cases of child sexual abuse cases reported to authorities between 2012 and July 2016 resulted in convictions.

Source

How does anyone in modern society support Islam, when it allows for children to be raped and married? How does anyone support a religion that doesn't consider women to be equal to men, a religion that in many countries doesn't even recognize rape as a crime, and punishes women for it? What kind of sick religion tells women that if a man rapes them, she should marry her rapist so she can be happy?
This is what happens when Muslims run the country. Look at the middle east... Women literally get arrested for being raped.
There's no way around it and no excuse - Islam is the enemy of any modern, free, respectful civilization. Pedophilia and rape are NEVER ok.

OKay please understand that I agree with you.

The Fundamentalist Muslims are truly way out there in their belief's. It was only about 600 hundred years ago the that the british and the Spanish ran amok promoting Christianity in he same same ways: through wars, intimidation and blackmail or bribery.

We ned to accept the enlightened muslims. There are many in both canada and the US ...they realise that the Holy books are not meant to be taken literally ... as large parts of the bible should not be taken literally.

The closer to to Mecca a person goes the more fundamentalist and right wing the Muslims get. Their core leadership is is vehemently anti-USA during to the years of trade embargoes and wars held in their back yard. They also belief in "an eye for an eye". European and Western cultural literally taunts their beliefs.

I do not know the answer. I have felt for a long time that clashes over religions are thinly veiled bigotry. It allows for there to be as us vs. them attitude. Right now some of "them" are happy to use violence. We have seen threats here on ATS.

Again I have no plans for dealing with fundamentalists in any religion. I am very open to suggestions.

a reply to: trollz

Bro, you are as messed up as the info you have posted here. You seem quite intent on persisting division. Not all Muslims follow the same beliefs and not all Muslims countries govern this way. In fact, I'm going to question the validity of the info you have posted.
Only a moron would think pedophilia is okay so either you are stoking the fire of Islamaphobia or you actually believe this bull# nonstory.
Which one is it?

Right, so this one lunatic represents all Muslims in the world ? Gtfo. Even the text you quoted in the op mentions Muslims who have strongly condemned this loon but you didn't bother mentioning that. Wonder why.

a reply to: trollz

U.S Government - Women are unable to make decisions regarding their bodies themselves. The men in government are the only ones who are wise enough to make laws governing womens' bodies.

originally posted by: PRSpinster

Bro, you are as messed up as the info you have posted here. You seem quite intent on persisting division. Not all Muslims follow the same beliefs and not all Muslims countries govern this way. In fact, I'm going to question the validity of the info you have posted.
Only a moron would think pedophilia is okay so either you are stoking the fire of Islamaphobia or you actually believe this bull# nonstory.
Which one is it?

See if you feel the same way after watching this!!!


www.youtube.com...

a reply to: amazing

and see here is the problem the pc crowd got up believing this is a religion it in fact is not . it is a cult of personality. it worships a warlord that was merced by his own followers. its tenets are domination of all others and we need to understand this is the true goal of islam . not a day goes by that my african american friends talk junk to me because i am caucasian and my people enslaved one of their ancestors but in truth the ones rounding up africans for the slave trade was other africans and muslim slave traders and unfortunately they still sell slaves to this day but they have made people forget about that.

a reply to: trollz

Racist Cult Leader Warren Jeffs Convicted of Raping Child Brides
Jeffs presided over a religious empire as both president and prophet of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS)

The survey found child marriage or forced marriage, or both, in families of many faiths, including Muslim, Christian (particularly Catholic), Hindu, Buddhist and Sikh. I have seen child and forced marriage in the Orthodox Jewish community, and I know survivors from Mormon and Unification Church backgrounds.

www.nytimes.com...

Is the plan to cite extreme examples and smear entire faiths?

Is it possible to disagree with Child Marriage without screaming about Islam?

originally posted by: NerdGoddess
a reply to: trollz

Does Malaysia believe in scientific studies or anything similar?

More so than the US gov these days...

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: trollz

Racist Cult Leader Warren Jeffs Convicted of Raping Child Brides
Jeffs presided over a religious empire as both president and prophet of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS)

The survey found child marriage or forced marriage, or both, in families of many faiths, including Muslim, Christian (particularly Catholic), Hindu, Buddhist and Sikh. I have seen child and forced marriage in the Orthodox Jewish community, and I know survivors from Mormon and Unification Church backgrounds.

www.nytimes.com...

Is the plan to cite extreme examples and smear entire faiths?

Is it possible to disagree with Child Marriage without screaming about Islam?

I don't think it's off the mark. Most terrorism is committed in the name of Islam. Most backwards countries that hold women back do it in the name of Islam. Most countries that commit beheadings and allow such young brides are doing it in the name of Islam. And if not doing it in the name of Islam are devout Muslims.

There has to be a correlation between all of this and Islam.

I can site example after example and many of them in the Bible how Christians and Jews used to be equally barbaric and savage, but for some reason, Islam hasn't evolved. And now with modern weapons and social media I don't know if we have the stomach or the time and patience to allow Islam to evolve and grow more peaceful. That may not be possible anyway.

a reply to: Indigo5

The difference is almost everyone is typically in agreement that child marriage is wrong or at least did. And then A wild Muslim appears and cultural marxist give them an inch and the Islamist take a mile.

Various progressive groups allow enclaves with Sharia Courts and islamic customs to flourish, it enables child marriage. If this was Christians the ADL, ACLU, SPLC, and the democrat Machine would be hammering I mean hammering them to shreds.

Remember 10 years ago when it was hip and trendy to rip on christians for creationism and tear the bible to pieces. Now its hip and trendy to wear a hijab. How times have changed.

This is Regressivism. It is sad.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: trollz

Racist Cult Leader Warren Jeffs Convicted of Raping Child Brides
Jeffs presided over a religious empire as both president and prophet of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS)

The survey found child marriage or forced marriage, or both, in families of many faiths, including Muslim, Christian (particularly Catholic), Hindu, Buddhist and Sikh. I have seen child and forced marriage in the Orthodox Jewish community, and I know survivors from Mormon and Unification Church backgrounds.

www.nytimes.com...

Is the plan to cite extreme examples and smear entire faiths?

Is it possible to disagree with Child Marriage without screaming about Islam?

I don't think it's off the mark. Most terrorism is committed in the name of Islam. Most backwards countries that hold women back do it in the name of Islam. Most countries that commit beheadings and allow such young brides are doing it in the name of Islam. And if not doing it in the name of Islam are devout Muslims.

Replace the word Islam with religion and you are correct.

In less developed countries religion has greater sway.

Koni and his child brides and soldiers in Congo are Christian.

In sequestered Christian Cults across the USA Child Marriage and abuse are rampant.

If the Middle east was predominately Christian and the west was predominately Muslim...You would see the same abuses with the religions flipped.

How old was Mary when she married Joseph?

It is not the religion that is the issue...It is the people that follow it. They can do it rationally, tolerantly and moderately...or they can go extreme and cultish.

originally posted by: jellyrev
a reply to: Indigo5

Various progressive groups allow enclaves with Sharia Courts and islamic customs to flourish,

Nope...Fake hate news..

If this was Christians the ADL, ACLU, SPLC, and the democrat Machine would be hammering I mean hammering them to shreds.

Pretty sure that the ACLU, SPLC etc is still opposes to child marriage?

Remember 10 years ago when it was hip and trendy to rip on christians for creationism and tear the bible to pieces.

Nope...But Dinasours did exist..I'd explain the same to both Muslims and Christians?

More so when they try to legislate the opposite..

Maybe that is whats got you panties in a bunch?

Liberals who didn't want the BS that the earth is 6k years old and dinasours never existed taught in schools in place of science?

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: trollz

Racist Cult Leader Warren Jeffs Convicted of Raping Child Brides
Jeffs presided over a religious empire as both president and prophet of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS)

The survey found child marriage or forced marriage, or both, in families of many faiths, including Muslim, Christian (particularly Catholic), Hindu, Buddhist and Sikh. I have seen child and forced marriage in the Orthodox Jewish community, and I know survivors from Mormon and Unification Church backgrounds.

www.nytimes.com...

Is the plan to cite extreme examples and smear entire faiths?

Is it possible to disagree with Child Marriage without screaming about Islam?

I don't think it's off the mark. Most terrorism is committed in the name of Islam. Most backwards countries that hold women back do it in the name of Islam. Most countries that commit beheadings and allow such young brides are doing it in the name of Islam. And if not doing it in the name of Islam are devout Muslims.

Replace the word Islam with religion and you are correct.

In less developed countries religion has greater sway.

Koni and his child brides and soldiers in Congo are Christian.

In sequestered Christian Cults across the USA Child Marriage and abuse are rampant.

If the Middle east was predominately Christian and the west was predominately Muslim...You would see the same abuses with the religions flipped.

How old was Mary when she married Joseph?

It is not the religion that is the issue...It is the people that follow it. They can do it rationally, tolerantly and moderately...or they can go extreme and cultish.

I see what you're saying but I think there's a bigger connection between Islam and women's rights, child brides and terrorism. Why are all Terrorists Muslim? Why are the most backwards countries Islamic--like Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran. I'm not a big fan of Judaism or Christianity, but both are much less violent and treat their women better.

I agree that religion is the problem but not all religions are created equally. Islam is the problem.

I don't mean this offensively but some of you people are so lacking in knowledge as to come across as thick.

Why are all Terrorists Muslim?

Take this as only one example of the case in point. Someone who has the audacity to say such a thing without bothering to research and have even a vague understanding of what terrorism is, who defines it and what causes it can not possibly be argued with sensibly.

For so many subtle reasons that all go together to form the big picture you need to make yourselves aware. USA, and the rest of the 'West' is going down. The 'East', including some countries with Muslim majorities and minorities, is going up. Religion is broadly irrelevant but used as a (generally successful) way of distracting you from more important concerns.

How will they look down on you in 30 years when their quality of life in general is way beyond that of yours as you wallow in the ashes of a dead empire?