Full Clapper: 'No Evidence' of Collusion Between Trump and Russia

a reply to: desert

"Clapper did not say there was no collusion. He said there was no evidence of collusion...

As the OP made clear.

...“at the time” he left office in January.

Okay. So after months and months he found no evidence... and he has no idea what has been "found" since then... but --

...he went on to say that he believed a Senate investigation was warranted to clear the air."

-- over admittedly unsubstantiated accusations.

Okay. I really don't know why he thinks Senate hearings just to hear no evidence was found is necessary or appropriate, but I'm game.

originally posted by: Mike.Ockizard
a reply to: desert

After a year of eavesdropping on him and his team they should have some evidence in order to move forward. They don't. Donald's a really smart guy and uses state of the art spy crafty to hide his dark deeds. Right? I mean that's the only possibility. That or the investigators are idiots.

FBI, CIA, NSA, DNI during Obama were frantically looking for something, anything and came up empty. Definitely not partisan.

Or maybe it's that a case of this magnitude and size takes a while to build. You know, standard investigative procedure. This is an ongoing investigation.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: Mike.Ockizard

originally posted by: underwerks
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this still an ongoing investigation? Why would a "former" anything know what type of information is being found right now?

They've had surveilance on him for a year now. Where's the proof? Where's the witness list? Where is a theory on what he did?

How do you know they've had surveillance on him for a year?

Because I read. Started in April of last year. Some reports have it starting earlier but most say April. There have been a couple (at least) of fake news stories that claim it only started after the election.

Edit to add that it would appear they had access to whatever dates they wanted once the FISA warrant was approved in July (or was it August?)

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: Boadicea

No evidence that they found. Why would Flynn ask for immunity?

Why is the house intelligence committee cancelling certain people's scheduled hearings to testify?

And what's ironic here is that if he'd said there was evidence, Trump supporters would just say ' Oh well he worked for Obama, of course he's going to say that, he's a fake news democrat'.

But as soon as he says something that sounds even like the littlest bit of support for Trump's cause, he becomes the single authority on the issue.

How quaint.

~Tenth

Actually, that's a large load of horse #. If FACTS with EVIDENCE emerge, then whatever those point to, should be dealt with. If it's Trump being bad, then he needs punished. If it's Obama being bad, then HE needs punished. But if all we have are anonymous tips, then all this is a waste of time.

But make no mistake, if Trump did bad things, even his supporters would want to see justice done. Just bring the proof before the lynch mob shows K?

a reply to: underwerks

Is there any evidence besides unnamed sources that Trump has been investigated by the Obama admin?

Like the FBI Director's statement under oath before the House Intelligence Committee??? (Hint: His name is "Comey")

New York Times: Comey Confirms F.B.I. Inquiry on Russia

a reply to: network dude

If FACTS with EVIDENCE emerge, then whatever those point to, should be dealt with. If it's Trump being bad, then he needs punished. If it's Obama being bad, then HE needs punished. But if all we have are anonymous tips, then all this is a waste of time.

I just thought that was worth repeating and highlighting.

Thank you!

So, up until January 20th, 2017 at Noon, when James Clapper resigned, there, was no evidence of collusion, but after that time there may have been? but President Trump was the President, so how could there be "collusion" it makes no sense. I thought this was about the ELECTION. it's amazing what a few facts can do....

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: underwerks

Is there any evidence besides unnamed sources that Trump has been investigated by the Obama admin?

Like the FBI Director's statement under oath before the House Intelligence Committee??? (Hint: His name is "Comey")

New York Times: Comey Confirms F.B.I. Inquiry on Russia

So the current investigation is led by the Obama administration? That's what your article is about, the investigation right now.

a reply to: underwerks

So the current investigation is led by the Obama administration? That's what your article is about, the investigation right now.

Bless your heart.... but I have too much to do today to twist myself into a pretzel.

It is what it is.

If Louise Mensch says Russians then it's Russians!

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: underwerks

So the current investigation is led by the Obama administration? That's what your article is about, the investigation right now.

Bless your heart.... but I have too much to do today to twist myself into a pretzel.

It is what it is.

I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. None of the evidence you've provided matches up with what you say it is.

No worries, I shouldn't have expected any actual proof for your claims. If no one has been able to provide it before, why would you now on the 100th thread about it.

Oh well. Every time I want to maybe see what the conservatives see, there's zero evidence for any of it. Thank you for reinforcing what I already believe instead of trying to change it.

a reply to: underwerks

I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. None of the evidence you've provided matches up with what you say it is.

Okay... which word did you not understand?

"Full Clapper: 'No Evidence" of Collusion between Trump and Russia"

No worries, I shouldn't have expected any actual proof for your claims. If no one has been able to provide it before, why would you now on the 100th thread about it.

LOL! Hahaha! Tee hee hee! ROFLMAO!!!

Says the one who refuses to accept that there is no evidence for any collusion between Trump and Russia. That's just funny. Thank you. I always appreciate a good belly laugh!

Oh well. Every time I want to maybe see what the conservatives see...

My apologies... I guess I should have mentioned that I'm not a conservative... I'm an outlier

....there's zero evidence for any of it.

Much like there's zero evidence of any collusion between Trump and Russia!

Thank you for reinforcing what I already believe instead of trying to change it.

Putin Derangement Syndrome Arrives

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: underwerks

I'm just trying to understand what you're saying. None of the evidence you've provided matches up with what you say it is.

Okay... which word did you not understand?

"Full Clapper: 'No Evidence" of Collusion between Trump and Russia"

No worries, I shouldn't have expected any actual proof for your claims. If no one has been able to provide it before, why would you now on the 100th thread about it.

LOL! Hahaha! Tee hee hee! ROFLMAO!!!

Says the one who refuses to accept that there is no evidence for any collusion between Trump and Russia. That's just funny. Thank you. I always appreciate a good belly laugh!

Oh well. Every time I want to maybe see what the conservatives see...

My apologies... I guess I should have mentioned that I'm not a conservative... I'm an outlier

....there's zero evidence for any of it.

Much like there's zero evidence of any collusion between Trump and Russia!

Thank you for reinforcing what I already believe instead of trying to change it.

Putin Derangement Syndrome Arrives

So how is Clapper the absolute authority on any of this? And being objectively honest, (since you aren't a conservative) how can you say there isn't any evidence of Trump-Russia collusion until the investigation is over?

a reply to: underwerks

So how is Clapper the absolute authority on any of this?

I didn't know he was/is. But I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Clapper is the absolute authority on what he has or has not seen...

And being objectively honest, (since you aren't a conservative) how can you say there isn't any evidence of Trump-Russia collusion until the investigation is over?

Technically, no matter how I or anyone identifies politically, there are absolutely no circumstances under which anyone can say there is no evidence of anything... the best I or anyone can say is that we are not aware of any evidence.

What I can objectively and definitively say is that no one has presented any evidence of any collusion.

So when someone has some evidence, I'll take a look. Until then, it's just unsubstantiated allegations.

a reply to: Boadicea

Excellent thread!

I've not had time to read all the links but particularly appreciate the Putin Derangement Syndrome piece.

I see the deflectors are still busy asking unanswerable questions. Like you, I enjoy a good laugh from time to time.

Trump has already given himself a pardon. So he don't care if Flynn says he promised Russia and Iran 116 metric tons of cash each.

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: Boadicea

Excellent thread!

Thanks, Dirt! I'm glad it's appreciated

I see the deflectors are still busy asking unanswerable questions. Like you, I enjoy a good laugh from time to time.

A good laugh is always good for the soul, eh? Other times it's just really hard to wrap my head around the... um... logic of some folks. I'm sure not a fan of Trump and I was prepared to believe the worst about him if anyone had came up with any evidence!!! But nothing has been presented -- not even debatable evidence! And with Clapper saying they didn't find anything, as well as Adam Schiff (who seems to have crawled into a hole somewhere...), it's just not adding up.

Unlike the spying on Trump, which is going somewhere.

I just want the evidence and the truth -- the whole truth and nothing but the truth! That's not asking much, eh? (LOL!)

Almost every media outlet, with the exception of Anti-American terrorist CNN, is FINALLY starting to walk away from their obsession that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to beat the easily-beatable Hillary Clinton.

I think their butt-hurts are starting to heal?

No evidence against Trump known. Trump proven clean again.

If Trump was actually colluding with the Russians. Here's what the evidence would look like kiddies.

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originally posted by: carewemust
Almost every media outlet, with the exception of Anti-American terrorist CNN, is FINALLY starting to walk away from their obsession that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to beat the easily-beatable Hillary Clinton.

Yeah, Don Lemon really doubled down on the denial! Triple-downed!!!

I think their butt-hurts are starting to heal?

Maybe... either that or they just have to go on defense instead of offense now! In the end, it's all the same story. They can't show us the "evidence" for collusion without also showing us the evidence for spying on Trump...