Flash crash red alert!

The long run on the stock exchange seems to be over, the big money is getting nervous, and the exit is small. Call in the plunge protection team! Whoops might be to late. www.marketwatch.com...

It seems the big money might be getting out first.www.marketwatch.com...


And serious billionaires have done a deal with the N.Z Parliament to grab a passport, and are buying up big time, do they smell the Crash?

a reply to: anonentity

I did see that the DOW was the lowest since September. It is mainly blamed on no confidence in Trump.




NOT that billionaires are prepping, which You Tube would show they have been for 10 years.

I think most would have preferred the president to start with tax reform instead of health care. Now if they have trouble agreeing on health care, getting tax reform done for corporations and individuals seems like a giant leap and stocks have been going up for months based on those assumptions.

In my opinion, it could all be part of a bigger package deal. Cut average Americans total costs for taxes and health care and corporate taxes. Corporations agree to spend more in the US and or build more factories and hire more people. Trump or Ryan hasn't been listening to Republicans opposed to certain aspects of the Republican plans is what I heard. However I heard it can be worked out. I believe people are starting to doubt things will get worked out anytime soon.
The price for health care insurance without any subsidies is extremely high here in the US. I wouldn't mind if the US government offered a high deductible plan where everyone making less than $75000 pays $140 or less per month for a single individual for insurance premiums without subsidies plus a health savings account and a $400 credit per year per person deposited into a personal HSA. Of course someone would have to run numbers to see if a plan would work. It'd probably destroy private insurance because that's as good as I had at my last job. I just had a several thousand dollar deductible before the plan would pay 90% each year except for annual routine preventative physicals etc.

Hopefully they get things right. I believe the idea is to lower total taxes and health care expenses for the average worker but all I'm hearing is health care costs are going up for older workers. 1% isn't much of a sell off. It's a start. It's not the end of the world.

I think many would be happy with alternative options. A high deductible plan with a HSA account and low premiums for those healthy and or a PPO plan that pays over 80% but with the much higher premium and no HSA. I think Health insurers make too much money. Get rid of all the in network and out of network rules that make individuals pay more when hospitals etc use out of network doctors. That's robbing people blind when they aren't expecting it. There are a lot of things to work out. I have no idea if or when the Republicans might do it or get it done. If they don't succeed or do a bad job, stocks could sell off for a while. Just my opinion. If things get worked out well, stocks should rally up to new highs. I've had my doubts for months about what will happen. I hope health care costs don't jump for me or my mother.

a reply to: anonentity

Yeah,why do you think our prick of a prime minister resigned last month.. I'll give you one guess. That's what happens when u have a banker running the country....did I say banker,I meant w anker .

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: anonentity

I did see that the DOW was the lowest since September. It is mainly blamed on no confidence in Trump.



NOT that billionaires are prepping, which You Tube would show they have been for 10 years.

What are you talking about....Lowest since September? Look at the one year Dow Jones charts. finance.yahoo.com... It is two thousand higher than September

a reply to: hiddenNZ


What these guys have planned might be off the scale to the average punter, I am sure America has been set up. I put this one on another thread but it might be relevant here as well. These Pricks have plans.

This is exactly what is supposed to happen when interest rates go up.

The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: anonentity

I did see that the DOW was the lowest since September.

WHAT! You should check a chart or 2 before spewing this crap. Dow in September 18,186 Dow now 20,668. Try again Reldra.

Watch out or you will be blacklisted as FAKE NEWS.

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originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: anonentity

I did see that the DOW was the lowest since September. It is mainly blamed on no confidence in Trump.

Perhaps you should get your financial information from a non politically biased site. Both things you said are categorically false.

bigcharts.marketwatch.com... 0c33378313484ba9b46b8e24ded87dd6&time=8&rand=632507972&compidx=&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1

If you look at this chart you will see something happened on election night. Markets went on a tear that has continued until basically now. The reason being that markets had priced in a Clinton win. Democrats traditionally are viewed as "bad for business" in the financial world. So when news broke that a businessman would be now in charge it was seen as bullish for the financial markets. Thus the term "Trump Rally" was coined. Im sure Buzzfeed or Huff Post would have their own ridiculous take on it but the charts don't lie.

We are overdue for a dip (maybe more) which I think has more to do with the feds rising interest rates more than anything Trump says or does.

Back to the op though; I really can't see anything sinister with billionaires buying up bunkers. Its just a hedge. If you had enough money to last five lives, would you not put in a bit of a doomsday plan into your holdings?

Hell my family and I are as middle class as it gets, we have a meeting spot and some supplies stashed should anything "happen". It's just being prepared. If I was a billionaire I would be buying up some land somewhere and building bunkers too.


As for the markets; I think its just taken a few days for Old Yellen's rate hike to trickle down. I think they will be able to keep the ponzi going for a while yet.

Middle class hedge for me though is buying up 1/10 ounce gold coins as funds allow. Told the wife that in our lifetime these will be worth ten times what they are now. Been wrong before but feel pretty good about this one.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: anonentity

I did see that the DOW was the lowest since September. It is mainly blamed on no confidence in Trump.



NOT that billionaires are prepping, which You Tube would show they have been for 10 years.

mmmm nop


its been climbing ever since and reached a record high, and what goes up must come down
actually the DOW has to correct its self sooner or later, and i believe sooner is better otherwise it will crash

originally posted by: hiddenNZ
a reply to: anonentity

Yeah,why do you think our prick of a prime minister resigned last month.. I'll give you one guess. That's what happens when u have a banker running the country....did I say banker,I meant w anker .

Sadly I think the only two countries left in the world that bankers aren't running are Cuba and North Korea.

I'm getting out of the market. I don't Trust Donald Trump and his revamped trickle down economic model and neither does wall street. This course correction could very well be the precursor of a crash.

originally posted by: olaru12
I'm getting out of the market. I don't Trust Donald Trump and his revamped trickle down economic model and neither does wall street. This course correction could very well be the precursor of a crash.

Trump wouldn't be the reason I would be pulling out. If you are basing your move on "trickle down economics" it's going to be great for big business, which will mean increased stock valuations. Trickle down sucks for workers, but it's great for the corps.

There are many reasons to get out of stocks, Trump isn't one of the top ones.

a reply to: deuceawesome


I totally agree with your sentiments, I think they will kick the can down the road until they cant, at this point we are probably a few months away from serious problems . The state of this Ponzi currency is reaching it's use by date, we notice that retail spending is falling off a cliff, unemployment, defaults etc. going up. Sears looking bad, Payless shoes going down the tube. This basically indicates that debt cannot be repaid in the real world, because theirs not enough business activity to generate the interest.. The Baltic dry not looking great. You can bull# the facts for so long, and then some.

a reply to: anonentity

Don't forget sub-prime auto loans are defaulting at the highest rate in 30 years

www.wsj.com...

a reply to: FamCore


Yes you can see the glaring problem with fractional reserve banking. Its all rosy when the economy is ticking along and everyone can pay the interest back on their loans. But a recession makes it dicey and a depression makes it catastrophic. We are going to revisit 2008 with bells on.

a reply to: FamCore



This guy seems on the ball, but whether his timing pans out will be left to see. He states the obvious that the share markets are run by Algorithms. That watch the volatility index, and adjust things accordingly. Which removes the fear factor, so the market could actually go a lot higher, before the inevitable.

the people in the EU, will soon be having their investment counselors buy USA securities / bonds/ Paper with interest income from the USA.... since the EU banks, ECB, and various Sovereign Funds are all behind their own 8 Ball which means the EU paper is worthless/ bankrupt/ in comparison to USA Paper which is on board to have at least 2 or probably 4 more interest rate increases during 2017


the Money will start flowing across the Atlantic real soon, probably about $10 Billion per month, Of inflow to the USA financial community....
there sure isn't too much to invest in anywhere in the world except Stocks-&-Bonds in USA...
or buying & storing Precious Metals in the Bullion Banks in Hong Kong or Singapore (no-where else is safe ! )




I love the doom-porn outlook.... it will make my small contrarian investments pay a better return (ROI) on investment

a reply to: St Udio


That as well, Apparently Italy is so stuffed, they will have to get their Lira back. At negative interest rates with inflation, or America with small interest rates and higher inflation that is the question.
But what happens when the Russian Rouble or the Chinese Yuan gets backed with gold? money would flow that way. Or the tanks in Poland will head East?