Baby Jesus is a Spy and Hidden Hand Solved (almost)

a reply to: chr0naut

Evil and good are extremes and subjective to each individual; each rewriting their chosen ideologies to suit them...

Does humanity do a bunch of dumb useless stuff of course they do; mostly in the name of ideologies that are not universal. So how is such a thing going to ever bring about peace or understanding? They aren't so what are they? An albatross around our necks we should feel good about... use as an excuse to point a finger? Yeah ha ha the albatross I have chosen doesn't stink or have as much rot as yours does.

Dude it's a old dead bird hanging around our necks it doesn't get any better or worse.

originally posted by: OwenandNoelle
a reply to: intrptr

Wonderful point, I totally agree. 😊 The purest form of truth will come from with in.

Thru within, thru the conduit of our soul.

Whats that, right?

Enjoyed your thoughts, thanks for laying them out.

originally posted by: OwenandNoelle
a reply to: SpeakerofTruth

Oh excellent comment! Yes, that Hidden Hand thread has stuck with me for a very long time as well. So much of it rang true and tbh, disturbed me. Exactly that part you mentioned!

I hated the implication that we (humanity) were here for a reason. It made me wonder if our reality was hell or purgatory and that all of us here on earth had already "sold our souls" or were perhaps really evil in a previous life.

But if this is all a game, then it does make sense that there would be bad guys trying to move things along. This is just one more crazy thought and people will hate me for even suggesting this, I hate even typing it, but if HH turns out to be true, then we're going to have to forgive these satanic child molesters, because they have chosen the hardest path possible.

The only people who have suffered more then the children are the crazed psychopaths whose state of mind could allow them to commit such unspeakable act. No need imho, to forgive them in this life though --- They still need to be hung in the streets. But I'm just saying maybe there was a reason. I don't know though, I absolutely hate paedophile.

I suspect you're closer to the truth than you even realize.

a reply to: OwenandNoelle

Hi OwenandNoelle!

Great thread, very interesting to me personally.
S&F

Marking my spot so I can follow. (Thanks for the link, going to check it out shortly.)
jacy

Baby Jesus is a Spy

Well, if he was / is , then he is a Shabak spy and that's good enough for me.



Buck

a reply to: OwenandNoelle

That very well could be

a reply to: chr0naut

Oh Chr0naut, buddy, please --- Have Mercy on me!!!

If I have given you the impression in my OP or subsequent replies that I have any answers or that these theories should be taken as anything more brain candy then I truly apologize.

If you would please see the opening paragraph of my OP, you will note that I tried to warn people that this theory may in fact be a "Brain Fart." By this I meant that some people may find the theory distasteful or that it might not pass the "smell test." (Ie. Warning: This thread might be a stinker!)

So of course, if you can't get past the fact that I covet a tranquil, zen like state with the help of herbal tonics or if you think that everything I've written is bullsh*t, that you're right, this thread is not for you.

And I want you to know that I am truly sorry for wasting your time, but still thank you very much for reading!

Now that said, I truly enjoy reading your comments and hope that you don't ever leave because your voice is important and I believe that we are actually on the same page completely.

I'm guessing you are a Christian, so listen I apologize for my snarky thread title and want you to know that I love the message of Jesus as much as you do and agree 100% with the Golden Rule.

I just think that the whole story of the Messiah and the Devil is a scam to keep humanity in fear and division and that this scam has been played out time and time again, throughout human history.

However, the path of Christ --- to treat others you as would like to be treated --- is the best path we could all hope to take. Sadly, I may be doomed, but can still recognize it is the most noble path of them all.

And I completely agree with you that any spiritual practice that would encourage you to mediate your problems away without taking any personal responsibly is a f-king joke.

I don't know what reality other people are living in, but in my reality many of the world leaders might just be part of a satanic, child molesting cult that has been abusing humanity since days of Babylon, in fact for likely much longer then that. And I certainly don't think mediating is going to solve this problem.

If correct, these people need to be exposed and [Self-Edited Snip] in the streets.

Afterwords, humanity can take all that love and adoration that we're wasting on unattainable, materialistic and dysfunctional Hollywood Icons and share this love with each other.

Did you know that Love is in fact the Perfect Drug?

When you love or help someone, not only does it make you feel good, but the person that your helping will then send positive vibrations/thoughts your way.

We know from the study of cymatics that the more harmonious a tone, the more stunningly beautiful the geometric shapes become.

So when one considers the way that we talk to each other and the intention that goes behind this thought, does it not make sense that when we choose love over fear, that we could transform our body on a cellular level?

Just a theory --- take from it what you will.

originally posted by: BigBrotherDarkness
a reply to: chr0naut

Evil and good are extremes and subjective to each individual; each rewriting their chosen ideologies to suit them...

Does humanity do a bunch of dumb useless stuff of course they do; mostly in the name of ideologies that are not universal. So how is such a thing going to ever bring about peace or understanding? They aren't so what are they? An albatross around our necks we should feel good about... use as an excuse to point a finger? Yeah ha ha the albatross I have chosen doesn't stink or have as much rot as yours does.

Dude it's a old dead bird hanging around our necks it doesn't get any better or worse.

Evil is not a physical object like an Albatross, it is conceptual (as you noted in your first sentence where you described it as subjective). Your metaphor is a poor one and does not negate the things that evil describes, and therefore the concept of evil itself.

Consider the case if someone carefully massages your skull with a heavy length of water pipe, with the intention that you might allow them to carry the burden of your money and jewellery for you. Even couched in the most positive, pleasant and uplifting language, the act is still evil, from every perspective. There is no "rewriting of ideologies" involved at all, I'm not even sure why you would think that people go around doing that - as an argument, it is a waste of words.

Peace and understanding is the default in the absence of evil. To achieve peace and understanding, one must prevent evil. Simple. Your justifications to negate the nature of evil, by denying its existence, fail in the light of common sense.

a reply to: jacygirl

Thank you so much!

The problem with my thinking is that it seems to only come in short bursts of 'know it all questions."

There's just so much crap and fear porn online though, that I keep having to constantly stop and ask myself okay, what are some facts that we can hold on to. And at the moment this is the theory that makes sense to me.

A truth that I will 100% stand behind though. Is that on the deepest level, beyond all this drama of Heaven and Hell, the true nature of our reality is pure magic, dazzling beauty and love.

We are like ducks in a park and we have to trust that there truly are Angelic beings out there, that are feeding us and helping us along.

-This is Truth (not a theory, take from it what you will

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

BigBrotherDarkness,

I am loving your posts, but I gotta tell you --- am not quite sure how to respond.

As I read your stuff, I think to myself --- man this guy is deep.

I love what your wrote about soulfully looking into the body language and expressions of other people in order to fully emphathize with them.

Do you believe that if one was to lose their ego, that they could literally become anyone, creature or living thing in the world?

I feel like it's such a catch 22, become to lose my ego I would have to lose all desire right? And then I wouldn't want to be a famous rock star.

originally posted by: OwenandNoelle
a reply to: chr0naut

Oh Chr0naut, buddy, please --- Have Mercy on me!!!

Surely mercy is a conditional response to infractions and the application of mercy is at the core of Christianity and Islam.

If I have given you the impression in my OP or subsquent replies that I have any answers or that these theories should be taken as anything more brain candy then I truly apologize.

If you would please see the opening paragraph of my OP, you will note that I tried to warn people that this theory may in fact be a "Brain Fart." By this I meant that some people may find the theory distasteful or that it might not pass the "smell test." (Ie. Warning: This thread might be a stinker!)

How politic! Perhaps you should run for office?

So of course, if you can't get past the fact that I covet a tranquil, zen like state with the help of herbal tonics or if you think that everything I've written is bullsh*t, that you're right, this thread is not for you.

And I want you to know that I am truly sorry for wasting your time, but still thank you very much for reading!

This is a public forum for debate, which requires dissident opinion be expressed. I'm sorry if this conflicts with your expectations but you could console yourself that reasoned refutation is indicative of considering your post in depth.

Now that said, I truly enjoy reading your comments and hope that you don't ever leave because your voice is important and I believe that we are actually on the same page completely.

I'm guessing you are a Christian, so listen I apologize for my snarky thread title and want you to know that I love the message of Jesus as much as you do and agree 100% with the Golden Rule.

Yes, I am a Christian but I have also tried to respond on behalf of the Islamic faith. I would hope that my responses are less motivated by my faith than by reason.

I just think that the whole story of the Messiah and the Devil is a scam to keep humanity in fear and division and that this scam has been played out time and time again, throughout human history.

Yet the concept that these are intended to 'scare you into faith' doesn't fly. The only power of such fearsome tales is your belief in them. If you don't believe, they don't have power. As a reasoned argument, it fails before it starts.

However, the path of Christ --- to treat others you as would like to be treated --- is the best path we could all hope to take. Sadly, I may be doomed, but can still recognize it is the most noble path of them all.

And I completely agree with you that any spiritual practice that would encourage you to mediate your problems away without taking any personal responsibly is a f-king joke.

Well put and I totally agree!

It is apparent that we must be proactive to do good because of the nature of the world system we live in. We must actively oppose the general apathy and selfishness. We must become our brother's keeper. That active response is the difference between Jesus' version of the Golden Rule, and that of others (who say don't do to others what you would not like).

I don't know what reality other people are living in, but in my reality many of the world leaders might just be part of a satanic, child molesting cult that has been abusing humanity since days of Babylon, in fact for likely much longer then that. And I certainly don't think mediating is going to solve this problem.

As someone who has participated at high level in the political system of more than one country, I can assure you that the majority of politicians are really trying to do the best for their constituents and are sometimes forced to compromise to maintain balance and fairness. There may be secret evil cabals but I have not personally come across any evidence.

If correct, these people need to be exposed and [Self-Edited Snip] in the streets.

I'd rather that they are tried justly and serve a long sentence for their misdemeanour. To me, violent retaliation is too swift.

Afterwords, humanity can take all that love and adoration that we're wasting on unattainable, materialistic and dysfunctional Hollywood Icons and share this love with each other.

Did you know that Love is in fact the Perfect Drug?

Love is not a substance. It is a complex of states of being, some of which can be triggered or augmented by drugs, but it requires no particular substance to occur. In our Western and English language, the very word has indistinct and multiple meanings. In the ancient Greek language, there are eight distinct types of love:

“Eros” or erotic love. “Philia” or affectionate love. “Storge” or familiar love. “Ludus” or playful love. “Mania” or obsessive love. “Pragma” or enduring love. “Philautia” or self-love and “Agape” or selfless love

This fuzziness of meaning leads to limitations in conceptualization and communication for those who only know a language ignorant of specifics.

When you love or help someone, not only does it make you feel good, but the person that your helping will then send positive vibrations/thoughts your way.

Again, vibrations oscillate, implicitly both positive and negative about their mean. 'Only positive' and 'only negative' vibrations are oxymoronic. "Negative vibrations" and "positive vibrations" are meaningless catch phrases.

Similarly, "sending positive thoughts" someone's way only has meaning within a philosophy that embraces the supernatural (like those religious people). From a naturalistic standpoint, thinking nice about someone does not translate to any change in their situation. It is as meaningful as a computer programmed to display the word "love" in an infinite loop.

We know from the study of cymatics that the more harmonious a tone, the more stunningly beautiful the geometric shapes become.

From a physics standpoint, cymatic patterns follow mathematical functions of peak vibrations and nodes. the patterns achieved on vibrating one shape at a set frequency are different if you change the shape but nothing else (due to different locations of peak and nodal points). The rules of harmony imply 'mathematically even multiples' or 'mathematically even divisibles' (eigentones) of the base frequency. Cymatics requires extended durations of pure tones. Music, with is brief durations, tonal variety and complex spectral structure is NOT optimal for demonstrating cymatic patterns.

So when one considers the way that we talk to each other and the intention that goes behind this thought, does it not make sense that when we choose love over fear, that we could transform our body on a cellular level?

Just a theory --- take from it what you will.

So you are suggesting that a placebo effect will change the operation of our cells?

Since science has demonstrated that our cells operate at, or near the peak efficiency possible, wouldn't this mean that such placebo effect must degrade cellular function, if it does anything?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OwenandNoelle
a reply to: chr0naut

Oh Chr0naut, buddy, please --- Have Mercy on me!!!

Surely mercy is a conditional response to infractions and the application of mercy is at the core of Christianity and Islam.

If I have given you the impression in my OP or subsquent replies that I have any answers or that these theories should be taken as anything more brain candy then I truly apologize.

If you would please see the opening paragraph of my OP, you will note that I tried to warn people that this theory may in fact be a "Brain Fart." By this I meant that some people may find the theory distasteful or that it might not pass the "smell test." (Ie. Warning: This thread might be a stinker!)

How politic! Perhaps you should run for office?

So of course, if you can't get past the fact that I covet a tranquil, zen like state with the help of herbal tonics or if you think that everything I've written is bullsh*t, that you're right, this thread is not for you.

And I want you to know that I am truly sorry for wasting your time, but still thank you very much for reading!

This is a public forum for debate, which requires dissident opinion be expressed. I'm sorry if this conflicts with your expectations but you could console yourself that reasoned refutation is indicative of considering your post in depth.

Now that said, I truly enjoy reading your comments and hope that you don't ever leave because your voice is important and I believe that we are actually on the same page completely.

I'm guessing you are a Christian, so listen I apologize for my snarky thread title and want you to know that I love the message of Jesus as much as you do and agree 100% with the Golden Rule.

Yes, I am a Christian but I have also tried to respond on behalf of the Islamic faith. I would hope that my responses are less motivated by my faith than by reason.

I just think that the whole story of the Messiah and the Devil is a scam to keep humanity in fear and division and that this scam has been played out time and time again, throughout human history.

Yet the concept that these are intended to 'scare you into faith' doesn't fly. The only power of such fearsome tales is your belief in them. If you don't believe, they don't have power. As a reasoned argument, it fails before it starts.

However, the path of Christ --- to treat others you as would like to be treated --- is the best path we could all hope to take. Sadly, I may be doomed, but can still recognize it is the most noble path of them all.

And I completely agree with you that any spiritual practice that would encourage you to mediate your problems away without taking any personal responsibly is a f-king joke.

Well put and I totally agree!

It is apparent that we must be proactive to do good because of the nature of the world system we live in. We must actively oppose the general apathy and selfishness. We must become our brother's keeper. That active response is the difference between Jesus' version of the Golden Rule, and that of others (who say don't do to others what you would not like).

I don't know what reality other people are living in, but in my reality many of the world leaders might just be part of a satanic, child molesting cult that has been abusing humanity since days of Babylon, in fact for likely much longer then that. And I certainly don't think mediating is going to solve this problem.

As someone who has participated at high level in the political system of more than one country, I can assure you that the majority of politicians are really trying to do the best for their constituents and are sometimes forced to compromise to maintain balance and fairness. There may be secret evil cabals but I have not personally come across any evidence.

If correct, these people need to be exposed and [Self-Edited Snip] in the streets.

I'd rather that they are tried justly and serve a long sentence for their misdemeanour. To me, violent retaliation is too swift.

Afterwords, humanity can take all that love and adoration that we're wasting on unattainable, materialistic and dysfunctional Hollywood Icons and share this love with each other.

Did you know that Love is in fact the Perfect Drug?

Love is not a substance. It is a complex of states of being, some of which can be triggered or augmented by drugs, but it requires no particular substance to occur. In our Western and English language, the very word has indistinct and multiple meanings. In the ancient Greek language, there are eight distinct types of love:

“Eros” or erotic love. “Philia” or affectionate love. “Storge” or familiar love. “Ludus” or playful love. “Mania” or obsessive love. “Pragma” or enduring love. “Philautia” or self-love and “Agape” or selfless love

This fuzziness of meaning leads to limitations in conceptualization and communication for those who only know a language ignorant of specifics.

When you love or help someone, not only does it make you feel good, but the person that your helping will then send positive vibrations/thoughts your way.

Again, vibrations oscillate, implicitly both positive and negative about their mean. 'Only positive' and 'only negative' vibrations are oxymoronic. "Negative vibrations" and "positive vibrations" are meaningless catch phrases.

Similarly, "sending positive thoughts" someone's way only has meaning within a philosophy that embraces the supernatural (like those religious people). From a naturalistic standpoint, thinking nice about someone does not translate to any change in their situation. It is as meaningful as a computer programmed to display the word "love" in an infinite loop.

We know from the study of cymatics that the more harmonious a tone, the more stunningly beautiful the geometric shapes become.

From a physics standpoint, cymatic patterns follow mathematical functions of peak vibrations and nodes. the patterns achieved on vibrating one shape at a set frequency are different if you change the shape but nothing else (due to different locations of peak and nodal points). The rules of harmony imply 'mathematically even multiples' or 'mathematically even divisibles' (eigentones) of the base frequency. Cymatics requires extended durations of pure tones. Music, with is brief durations, tonal variety and complex spectral structure is NOT optimal for demonstrating cymatic patterns.

So when one considers the way that we talk to each other and the intention that goes behind this thought, does it not make sense that when we choose love over fear, that we could transform our body on a cellular level?

Just a theory --- take from it what you will.

So you are suggesting that a placebo effect will change the operation of our cells?

Since science has demonstrated that our cells operate at, or near the peak efficiency possible, wouldn't this mean that such placebo effect must degrade cellular function, if it does anything?

As an "ex-christian, and reading all of your replies... it's no wonder people look outside the Bible for answers. Snarky just makes you look like an #j.

a reply to: tikbalang

Hi tikbalang,

Thank you so much for commenting! I hope that you will share more insight with us.

I have just a couple of quick questions to help clarify my thoughts.

Do you think, just as a hypothetical thought experiment, it is okay to molest all children? Or simply children who are of a different faith to this person in this hypothetical thought experiment? If so, are there any different age requirements or limitations?

Menstration right?

You want to start me on another rant don't you?

Well, it can't be stopped so:

Isn't it odd that little girls seem to be hitting puberty at an earlier and earlier age?

Did you know that Alex Jones was right all those years ago and that the chemicals from our plastics, especially in the lids on top of all of our cans (our creamed corn!) did indeed "make the frogs gay" and caused some frogs to change gender.

Isn't it odd that so many people are making the difficult choice to change their gender? Did you know that in many transgendered people, their brain scan more closely resembles the gender they are switching to?

Did you know that the illuminati's favourite demon --- Bael/Molach/Satan/Lucifer call this being what you will --- is a transgender?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: FlukeSkywalker

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: 3daysgone
a reply to: OwenandNoelle

Isn’t it odd that most of the evil that ever been committed in the world has been done in the name of Christianity and Islam?

I am going to need to see your proof of that. Civilization has been around a lot longer than both of those. I am not sure how you came to this conclusion.

All of the Major Religions have been distorted and twisted upside down by evil, broken people who are being manipulated by parasitic interdimensional beings. If God was ever going to save us, he would have stopped those priests from sodomizing all those little children

Still I need to see your proof.

(sarcasm on)

Well, it's obvious. Drugs, power, acquisitiveness, cruelty, revenge, love, sex, desire and weapons have never motivated people to do evil. It is only the religious, who speak out against evil, who are evil.

And the drug trade, that the OP participates so freely in, are absolute angels, bringing light, and hope, and health, and well-being to all.

(sarcasm off)

The problem with this sarcastic post is that this reality, all of it..is a lie..a sham. These "evil' things you speak of only exist because a group of players/actors/pawns are involved (forced?) into a game where limitation exists. In a "true" reality, there is no such thing as limitation...balance...etc, hence no need to worry about who is using drugs, because there are no consequences for the desire and act of being "high" all the time.

The fact that people really get hurt makes it not a consequence-less game.

Humans are not limitless. No amount of Eastern 'all is one, one is all' mysticism will make Buddha any less dead and buried.

Yeah, but it's akin to the kind of pain one feels when losing a game they love to play. Let's say you spend all your time learning and playing one particular game and you become great at it and begin to believe your well being is influenced by winning this game and if you lose it, you never get to play it again (like if you're in a tournament and you have to keep winning in order to get the big cash prize at the end).

I'm not saying there aren't other games, but THIS game is your money. Is your well-being, etc. Or at least you've begun to believe this is the case. You damn well are going to feel pain when you lose/die. But it's just a game and you forgot that there are others games if you want to play those (with completely different sets of rules/limitations, etc (because you can't play a game if there are no rules). Or maybe you can actually play this game again if you want and those who said you wouldn't be able to play again were lying to make you invest yourself more in the game while it's happening?

Can't have "feeling" if you don't buy into your reality. Can't "care" if there is nothing to care about losing.

a reply to: chr0naut


I honestly don't even know what you're arguing with me about lol. We're on the same side!

originally posted by: OwenandNoelle
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness
I feel like it's such a catch 22, become to lose my ego I would have to lose all desire right? And then I wouldn't want to be a famous rock star.

I'm not bigbro, but EXACTLY. Once you stop "dreaming" about becoming something you believe is hard to become, there is no motivation anymore and you just become numb to even caring. And what fun is that?

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm saying things like "what fun is that?", but the truth is, I can't stand this place. I hate the limitation. I despise the fact that I cannot eat what I want, do the drugs I want, do whatever I want...without consequence. I'm not saying I want to impose on anyone's else's being. I'm saying I believe there is an existence that even if I DID want to impose on someone else, something they did not want, they would have an instant shield against such activity so it would never work.

I believe this current reality is a bunch of people who are being limited by the rules and who have to try to work together to figure out how to be liked. And being liked is the goal. Or even loved, clearly. BUT IT'S ALL AN ILLUSION based on the limitations that have been imposed.

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

As an "ex-christian, and reading all of your replies... it's no wonder people look outside the Bible for answers. Snarky just makes you look like an #j.

I was debating points raised in previous posts, and not so much from a Christian standpoint, but from a rationalist one.

Are you suggesting that Christians should not debate?

Do you have any response to the points raised at all?

I guess what I'm trying to say is...I believe this reality is about trying to feel something...anything. If you set up a bunch of limits and rules and somehow are able to suspend your disbelief and believe it's real, you may actually get the chance to feel something (inside). When someone does you wrong...or when someone helps you when you need it most, etc.

But that doesn't mean it wasn't all a set up. A lie.

a reply to: OwenandNoelle

Do you think, just as a hypothetical thought experiment, it is okay to molest all children? Or simply children who are of a different faith to this person in this hypothetical thought experiment? If so, are there any different age requirements or limitations?

wtf?

Did you know that the illuminati's favourite demon --- Bael/Molach/Satan/Lucifer call this being what you will --- is a transgender?

Well, if you understand the mythology aspect of it, different paradigms offer different stories..

I believe that the modern interaction between humans, provides identity crises, young trying to fit in a world that is confusing because they are to early subjected to an adult world, where most of them has a f* moral compass.

The other stuff is just hypothetical from your side;" Quoting, Alex Jones "

originally posted by: OwenandNoelle
a reply to: chr0naut


I honestly don't even know what you're arguing with me about lol. We're on the same side!

Not an argument, a debate. I would hope it remains cordial.