Register your Sudafed or go to jail

It seems as if the land of overpriced coconut milk and cheesy car ornaments (Hawaii) is having a serious problem with the production of Crystal Meth. Therefore the geniuses in our government have proposed to force Americans to register certain cold medicines such as Sudafed that are used to manufacture Crystal Meth.

Clever way to tag our population. Go Patriot Act!

That idea? Control the sale of drugs and equipment used to make illegal drugs by limiting the retail sale of over-the-counter drugs that can be used to manufacture crystal methamphetamine or "ice," including drugs containing pseudoephedrine and ephedrine.

That means visitors and residents with a cold or allergy wanting to buy such products as Sudafed, would have to register their purchase with the pharmacist, and ultimately, the government. Kind of like the bad "big brother is watching" portions of the Patriot Act all rolled into one Sudafed box.
www.alternet.org...

How utterly ridiculous. Hell man, I can make almost chemically pure Caffiene from coffee beans with a simple alkaloid extraction, maybe we should start having to registering our coffee beans and household solvents as well. For that matter, I can rig up an electrolysis and get farqed up on some pure O2, we better start registering that water too. Yet another example of "Pre-Crime", hell man, if this flies, you're a suspected Meth maker before you walk in the store to buy cold medicene.
War on drugs... LOL Ask "Poppy" Bush why we lost that war.
Just say KNOW...

If you have lived in Hawaii, in recent times, you can understand why the authorities are doing anything they can to stop the epidemic. Although, as the article stated most of it comes from Mexico, and the Asias' especially where Hawaii is concerned. Ice is an extreme epedimic on the isles, and is killing many of the Hawaiiian people. I dealt with the local labor on a daily basis for almost 3 yrs, so I do know. Restricting the sale of over the counters though is not the answer for Hawaii. The drug has been on the isles for a long time. Hawaii has the worst meth problem in the nation. Anyone watch that new reality show, Dog, The Bounty Hunter? All they do is chase down ice chronics, as they are called there. It'll take much more action than controlling over the counter sale of cold medicine, that's for sure.

[edit on 1-2-2005 by Journey]

Disinformation Exemplified

Originally posted by Simulacra
Clever way to tag our population. Go Patriot Act!

Actually, requiring prescriptions for the same drugs is much simpler, and has been going on for decades.

Although the article -- which is an opinion piece -- mentions the Patriot Act once, the story itself has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Patriot Act.

Here is what the article actually says, and the only place it mentions the Patriot Act:

From the source article:
That means visitors and residents with a cold or allergy wanting to buy such products as Sudafed, would have to register their purchase with the pharmacist, and ultimately, the government. Kind of like the bad "big brother is watching" portions of the Patriot Act all rolled into one Sudafed box.

There's your “Go Patriot Act.”

The Patriot Act is federal law. The story is about the Governor of Hawaii pushing for new state laws in an attempt to crack down on illegal drug production in the state.

Why? Because the Patriot Act doesn't have anything to do with this, that's why.

Aside from a loose analogy drawn by the author, there is no connection between the two at all.

Of course, anything -- including brazen disinformation -- to shoehorn in a plug for a pet theory or political agenda, I suppose.

Falsely linking the two is disingenuous and in direct opposition to the goal of Denying Ignorance.

Some of you think this is for unnecessary tracking and such, but just recently here in OK, USA there was a roundup of 19 folks

story.news.yahoo.com.../ibsys/20050128/lo_koco/2557743

all buying abusurd amounts of Sudafed in order to make Meth with. This is no different than the information that they already have on you at your local drug store, but seeing as how sudafederine(sp?) is the main ingredient of meth, and its so readily available there must be a way to track the guy who buys 100 boxes of allergy medicine per month... This isn't any more intrusive than your prescription coverage, or even less so than the privacy that was invaded when you opened up your checking account. The only time this comes up is when somebody has bought large amounts.

Please use some logic when creating some of these conspiracies, I have been around this site for a bit, and some of these are just laughable... Do you honestly think that somebody with a large van or suburban will be watching you if you just run to the store for allergy medicine every now and then? If so where are they getting all of the manpower to track these purchases one at a time?

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[edit on 1-2-2005 by Draskens]

Whats it got to do with Patriot Act?

Whats better, rampand abuse manufacture and sale of crystal meth, or the pharmacist tracking sales of sudafed?

Ask the DEA how well the tracking of red iodine sales have went.
It does net small time mom and pop operations that make an ounce or two at a time, however it does nothing to stem the problem of super labs. It is just like the explosion of people using medical grade drugs for fun. There is no way all of the recreational pill use out there is people selling their prescriptions.
The question we should really ask is why are all of these controlled and semi-controlled substances seem to be able to be bought in bulk and from where.

What's the matter? The CIAs profits from the drug trade not like compitision?

Originally posted by Draskens
Some of you think this is for unnecessary tracking and such, but just recently here in OK, USA there was a roundup of 19 folks

story.news.yahoo.com.../ibsys/20050128/lo_koco/2557743

all buying abusurd amounts of Sudafed in order to make Meth with. This is no different than the information that they already have on you at your local drug store, but seeing as how sudafederine(sp?) is the main ingredient of meth, and its so readily available there must be a way to track the guy who buys 100 boxes of allergy medicine per month... This isn't any more intrusive than your prescription coverage, or even less so than the privacy that was invaded when you opened up your checking account. The only time this comes up is when somebody has bought large amounts.

Please use some logic when creating some of these conspiracies, I have been around this site for a bit, and some of these are just laughable... Do you honestly think that somebody with a large van or suburban will be watching you if you just run to the store for allergy medicine every now and then? If so where are they getting all of the manpower to track these purchases one at a time?

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ERM, I know you think your so smart and all, but the main ingredient in meth, is methamphetamine .

WHODA THUNK IT?

ERM, I know you think your so smart and all, but the main ingredient in meth, is methamphetamine .

No Methamphetamine is the end result of a chemical process not an
ingredient.

Psuedo Ephedrine or Ephedrine would be an ingredient, the main ingredient so I've heard

Originally posted by astral_ice
Ask the DEA how well the tracking of red iodine sales have went.

It does net small time mom and pop operations that make an ounce or two at a time, however it does nothing to stem the problem of super labs.

I think this is the best arguement against it. If the tracking could stop meth sale in the US entirely, or have a very large effect, then it'd be difficult to be uncomfortable with the tracking. But it won't, so the benefit is not just 'small', but miniscule, and possibly non existant, so its probably not worth the tracking.

Originally posted by madhatter

ERM, I know you think your so smart and all, but the main ingredient in meth, is methamphetamine .

No Methamphetamine is the end result of a chemical process not an
ingredient.

Psuedo Ephedrine or Ephedrine would be an ingredient, the main ingredient so I've heard

www.erowid.org I dont feel like argueing

I have when they banned ephedra to get the energy boost taken sudafed products. It's not glamorous that I admit as such, but I don't entirely disagree with the govt on this one. Ephedra is a real problem for many, it's legal speed.

I'm surprised they haven't banned red-bull type products, maybe they should.

-ADHDsux4me

I believe Madhatter is correct, Psuedo Ephedrine and Ephedrine are the chemicals that the law is supposed to limit the purchase of......our local county commissioners have recently enacted a similar law here, in the county where I live in GA. But since it applies only to this county, anyone buying a large quantity just has to drive over county line where there is no such regulation!

But also missing from the shelves were the 100 tablet size bottles of the store brand allergy med that I take....(the 12 count boxes were still there)....but the main ingredient in the store brand is diphenhydramine HCL !!! I didn't think that was one of the ingredients used to make meth!!??? (The pharmacy was closed so I could not 'sign out' a 100 count bottle, so I got the 12 count box....)

I do wonder if the passage of the Patriot Act make it possible, or easier for these officials to pass this type of legislation.....reducing the individual privacy so to speak, where you would now have to sign and show id to buy OTC meds?

No need to argue at all Surfnaked.

www.tnclearinghouse.com...

www.safetycops.com...

vsa.vassar.edu...

www.drugshield.com...

As I said .....methamphetamine is the end result,
Ephedrine or Psuedo Ephedrine is in fact an ingredient.

ME and my GF talked about this. IT will do nothing to stop the meth trade. It will do everything to raise prices on illegal meth. The small timers refining cold pills who have no techniques to make the ingredients other ways will go by the way side. The real chemists out there will still make it from other sources and drive the prices up. This stupidity will stop nothing.

Originally posted by madhatter
No need to argue at all Surfnaked.

www.tnclearinghouse.com...

www.safetycops.com...

vsa.vassar.edu...

www.drugshield.com...

As I said .....methamphetamine is the end result,
Ephedrine or Psuedo Ephedrine is in fact an ingredient.

Nice links methamphetamine is....methamphetamine, amphetamine is......amphetamine, sudafed IS ..... SUDAFED, what the hell is wrong with you??? Sometimes people sell it mixed with sudafed or ephedra but if you DO manage to get ahold of pure methampetamine (ice) it is PURE AMPHETAMINE!! Just because something is used to create something else doesnt neccesarily mean its an INGREDIENT

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Originally posted by frayed1
I believe Madhatter is correct, Psuedo Ephedrine and Ephedrine are the chemicals that the law is supposed to limit the purchase of......our local county commissioners have recently enacted a similar law here, in the county where I live in GA. But since it applies only to this county, anyone buying a large quantity just has to drive over county line where there is no such regulation!

But also missing from the shelves were the 100 tablet size bottles of the store brand allergy med that I take....(the 12 count boxes were still there)....but the main ingredient in the store brand is diphenhydramine HCL !!! I didn't think that was one of the ingredients used to make meth!!??? (The pharmacy was closed so I could not 'sign out' a 100 count bottle, so I got the 12 count box....)

I do wonder if the passage of the Patriot Act make it possible, or easier for these officials to pass this type of legislation.....reducing the individual privacy so to speak, where you would now have to sign and show id to buy OTC meds?

Ever take adderrall? or desoxyn?

surf naked try reading.... "Crystal Meth is the slang name of a different form of methamphetamine. It is one of the most popular forms of amphetamine. Its main ingredient is ephedrine. Ephedrine is a chemical found in many legal drugs, including bronchial inhalers, diet pills like Mini Thins, and decongestants, because ephedrine it is a legal narcotic, it can be purchased over the counter."

Originally posted by surfnakedNice links

methamphetamine is....methamphetamine, amphetamine is......amphetamine

but if you DO manage to get ahold of pure methampetamine (ice) it is PURE AMPHETAMINE!!

lol...which is it? you contradict yourself...