Donald Trump returns the power of bathrooom rules back to the states

a reply to: rickymouse

How is it "extra rights" to be able to use the bathroom of the gender you are?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
The will of the majority doesn't take away the rights of the minority.

The American Way 101.

But when the rights of a hundred thousand people start overpowering the rights of a hundred million, that is not good. You can't give one small group more rights than the masses, that will cause tension. Equal rights is good, going too far always makes things swing far the other way. Like prohibition did.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: rickymouse

How is it "extra rights" to be able to use the bathroom of the gender you are?

If you are a boy, you use the boys bathroom, if you are a girl then you use the girls bathroom. Only when the identifying parts are completely removed is a guy a girl. Same with a girl. I have no problem with having a sex change then using the bathroom of the sex you are, until that time though, use one of those single bathrooms with a lady and man on them.

We all have the same rights, I can't go into a Woman's bathroom and use it, unless of course the mens is out of order and there is someone watching the door so no women come in while I am using it.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Gryphon66
The will of the majority doesn't take away the rights of the minority.

The American Way 101.

But when the rights of a hundred thousand people start overpowering the rights of a hundred million, that is not good. You can't give one small group more rights than the masses, that will cause tension. Equal rights is good, going too far always makes things swing far the other way. Like prohibition did.

Why???

Are those hundred thousand less valuable than the hundred million?

Again, how is it MORE RIGHTS to be able to use the right bathroom for you?

Since when is a matter of anyone's rights to know the genital status of the folks we share facilities with???

I myself do not understand how it feels to be another gender in the "wrong" body. It is, however, an accepted medical fact.

As far as "religious" concerns ... what would those be? I must have missed the verses in the Bible that say "Thou shalt not pee with someone of the opposite sex."

In fact, the Bible talks about our souls as being "neither male nor female like the angels."

If that's the nature of our souls (and I'm not saying it is or isn't), from a religious point of view, how is someone's genital status anyone's business?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse
I think something like this issue should be a state issue. The states can make sure there are some single bathrooms that these kids can use, they can be used by any student and even any parent who comes into the school. They have these bathrooms in many places already, one person at a time, a picture of a man and woman on the door.

WHY?

One good reason this should be a state issue?

There isn't one - - except religious belief (primarily).

Bathrooms are not a federal/constitutional responsibility. That's why.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse
I think something like this issue should be a state issue. The states can make sure there are some single bathrooms that these kids can use, they can be used by any student and even any parent who comes into the school. They have these bathrooms in many places already, one person at a time, a picture of a man and woman on the door.

WHY?

One good reason this should be a state issue?

There isn't one - - except religious belief (primarily).

Bathrooms are not a federal/constitutional responsibility. That's why.

Human Equality is.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Gryphon66
The will of the majority doesn't take away the rights of the minority.

The American Way 101.

But when the rights of a hundred thousand people start overpowering the rights of a hundred million, that is not good. You can't give one small group more rights than the masses, that will cause tension. Equal rights is good, going too far always makes things swing far the other way. Like prohibition did.

Why???

Are those hundred thousand less valuable than the hundred million?

No, they are the same. And they get EQUAL TREATMENT.

Again, how is it MORE RIGHTS to be able to use the right bathroom for you?

Because biology says penis -> boys room, vagina -> girls room. Why is this so difficult?

Since when is a matter of anyone's rights to know the genital status of the folks we share facilities with???

Since when do people have any business going into the opposite gender bathroom and violating their privacy?

I myself do not understand how it feels to be another gender in the "wrong" body. It is, however, an accepted medical fact.

No, it isn't. It is a recognized mental disorder that some crackpots are trying to validate.

As far as "religious" concerns ... what would those be? I must have missed the verses in the Bible that say "Thou shalt not pee with someone of the opposite sex."

In fact, the Bible talks about our souls as being "neither male nor female like the angels."

Bathrooms are not the place to bare our souls.

If that's the nature of our souls (and I'm not saying it is or isn't), from a religious point of view, how is someone's genital status anyone's business?

It isn't. Neither is it their right to display them openly in showers or locker rooms.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse
I think something like this issue should be a state issue. The states can make sure there are some single bathrooms that these kids can use, they can be used by any student and even any parent who comes into the school. They have these bathrooms in many places already, one person at a time, a picture of a man and woman on the door.

WHY?

One good reason this should be a state issue?

There isn't one - - except religious belief (primarily).

Bathrooms are not a federal/constitutional responsibility. That's why.

Human Equality is.

Fine.

Penis -> boys room. Vagina -> girls room.

Equal. No feelings, just biology.

Or is that not the 'equal' you are thinking of? It gets so confusing with liberals.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Mictain
The perverted minds have some sick twisted fantasies about what transgenders do in bathrooms and they create an issue.

You keep on fighting this non issue and continue to embrace the darkness that comes with the perverted thoughts and hate you may hold.

Exactly!

And what do most of those type people have in common?

Common sense.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Mictain
The perverted minds have some sick twisted fantasies about what transgenders do in bathrooms and they create an issue.

You keep on fighting this non issue and continue to embrace the darkness that comes with the perverted thoughts and hate you may hold.

Exactly!

And what do most of those type people have in common?

Common sense.

Ignorance

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse
I think something like this issue should be a state issue. The states can make sure there are some single bathrooms that these kids can use, they can be used by any student and even any parent who comes into the school. They have these bathrooms in many places already, one person at a time, a picture of a man and woman on the door.

WHY?

One good reason this should be a state issue?

There isn't one - - except religious belief (primarily).

Bathrooms are not a federal/constitutional responsibility. That's why.

Human Equality is.

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Seems to be a fundamental point of liberty to me that someone should be able to use the bathroom of the gender they are.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: rickymouse
I think something like this issue should be a state issue. The states can make sure there are some single bathrooms that these kids can use, they can be used by any student and even any parent who comes into the school. They have these bathrooms in many places already, one person at a time, a picture of a man and woman on the door.

WHY?

One good reason this should be a state issue?

There isn't one - - except religious belief (primarily).

Bathrooms are not a federal/constitutional responsibility. That's why.

Human Equality is.

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Seems to be a fundamental point of liberty to me that someone should be able to use the bathroom of the gender they are.

Sure thing.

Penis = boy -> boys room.

Vagina = girl -> girls room.

BOOM. Done.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Mictain
The perverted minds have some sick twisted fantasies about what transgenders do in bathrooms and they create an issue.

You keep on fighting this non issue and continue to embrace the darkness that comes with the perverted thoughts and hate you may hold.

Exactly!

And what do most of those type people have in common?

Common sense.

Ignorance

Biology.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Gryphon66
The will of the majority doesn't take away the rights of the minority.

The American Way 101.

But when the rights of a hundred thousand people start overpowering the rights of a hundred million, that is not good. You can't give one small group more rights than the masses, that will cause tension. Equal rights is good, going too far always makes things swing far the other way. Like prohibition did.

Why???

Are those hundred thousand less valuable than the hundred million?

Again, how is it MORE RIGHTS to be able to use the right bathroom for you?

Since when is a matter of anyone's rights to know the genital status of the folks we share facilities with???

I myself do not understand how it feels to be another gender in the "wrong" body. It is, however, an accepted medical fact.

As far as "religious" concerns ... what would those be? I must have missed the verses in the Bible that say "Thou shalt not pee with someone of the opposite sex."

In fact, the Bible talks about our souls as being "neither male nor female like the angels."

If that's the nature of our souls (and I'm not saying it is or isn't), from a religious point of view, how is someone's genital status anyone's business?

Then they just get their gender changed and until it is completed, use the bathroom you are supposed to use. No problem, a man doesn't have to dress like a woman during the transition. When it is done, you are the sex you want to be.

I know guys who are more feminine, I know girls who are more manlike. It isn't a problem, why do you have to change your sex. What is wrong with gay people, nothing, they like those of their own sex and the gay guys hang around with women a lot. The women know they are gay, they treat them like other women. No big deal.

So give me one legitimate reason a person has to go through all that expense to change their sex when all they have to do is be gay? Do they want to fool the people who they go out with to go out with someone of their own sex? I do not agree with deceiving others. Gay people are gay, whoopy doo. They have rights to go out with who ever they want. I wouldn't have wanted to pick up a girl at the bar one night and go out with her and start telling friends and they were laughing at me because I slept with someone that was a guy once. I think this kind of deception is going to lead to a lot of conflict in the future, someone will come unglued with someone who tricks them.

I am glad I am older and don't have to worry about being deceived anymore. I have no interest in anyone but my wife.

I just think all the surgeries and sex changes and expenses these people are having are not needed. Who profits by all these, the Medical industry. The Pharma industry. There is nothing wrong with someone being gay and gay people still go to the same bathroom by what sex they are. Many gay people are bi so I say they go to their real sex bathroom too.

Equality in the Constitution.

That would be the 14th Amendment which provides that states cannot deny a person "equal protection of the laws".

What does that mean?

It means that states must ensure the same rights, privileges, and protections to all citizens within their state.

This is not an issue that the federal level has any authority over via the Constitution. Unless there's another equality clause...

originally posted by: rickymouse
I know guys who are more feminine, I know girls who are more manlike. It isn't a problem, why do you have to change your sex.

Pretty much. Male and Female are not social constructs.

Masculinity and Femininity are social constructs. They vary from culture to culture, nation to nation, etc. Most men display some facet associated with femininity and vice versa for women. It's normal. Stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason. That doesn't make them chiseled in stone.

We have been discussing this for two days in another thread: Trangender Bathroom and Locker Room Useage at Public Schools - New Federal Guidelines

Students.
Daughters.
Sisters.



Boys bathroom? Are you out of your mind?

originally posted by: Kromlech

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Mictain
The perverted minds have some sick twisted fantasies about what transgenders do in bathrooms and they create an issue.

You keep on fighting this non issue and continue to embrace the darkness that comes with the perverted thoughts and hate you may hold.

Exactly!

And what do most of those type people have in common?

Common sense.

Ignorance

Ignorance ?

Check a mirror- google basic human anatomy. Good luck.