Solar Mystery — What Happened to the Sun in 5480 BC?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: CynConcepts

Carbon 14 is produced by collisions between air atoms and high energy particles. Those particles (cosmic rays) originate sporadically from the Sun. They do not originate from volcanoes. They also originate from the far, far reaches of space. Solar activity inversely affects the level of galactic cosmic ray "flux". The less activity there is, the higher the flux on Earth. What ever caused this, it came from "out there."


When a CME encounters Earth's magnetic field it causes it to "wiggle". That's what a geomagnetic storm is. There isn't much evidence to support a connection between geomagnetic storms and climate.

Thank you for responding. With an unusually high CME, could that "wiggle" possibly cause chaos within the geological earth to spark higher volcanic and earthquake activity?

a reply to: smurfy

Thank you, I agree that the geologic testing is not extremely exact. They did mention that throughout the PDF, so I was looking at their various charts and data sets with that in mind. I would think that solar activity would effect geomagnetic activity and thus, create changes globally. I am not a scientist, but find science fascinating!

a reply to: CynConcepts

There's a lot of speculation about that. The evidence is not strong in favor of a connection. It's hard to come up with a mechanism on how it would work. The Earth's magnetic field is actually quite weak (a refrigerator magnet is many times stronger) so even if it wiggled really a lot it wouldn't seem to have much of an effect on rocks and stuff.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: CynConcepts

It might also be reflecting a relatively large meteor or comet impact event.
Both can cause a period of global cooling, higher levels of radiation and lower levels of pollen in soil samples.

It's been suggested that the concept of Lucifer (the shinning one) being cast out of/from heaven into the earth (Falling from grace)...and bringing evil upon the earth...is based upon early humans witnessing a massive comet or meteor impact.

Are you referring to the Op's data on tree rings or the geologic data sets I shared via PDF link?

As far as, religious history and idealogical dissertations, I do believe they were created from actual events that were misunderstood and 'interpreted'.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: CynConcepts

There's a lot of speculation about that. The evidence is not strong in favor of a connection. It's hard to come up with a mechanism on how it would work. The Earth's magnetic field is actually quite weak (a refrigerator magnet is many times stronger) so even if it wiggled really a lot it wouldn't seem to much of an effect on rocks and stuff.

I am curious on this due to the obvious effect gravitational pull from orbiting objects (moon) has on the waters on our planet. Is there any comparison out there on the magnetic strength of a CME event? Or am I looking at this incorrectly? In other words, does a CME push or pull?

a reply to: CynConcepts

There really isn't any push or pull involved. You've seen the aurora? You know how it wiggles? That is what is going on when a CME hits the magnetosphere. Sort of like the waving of a flag.

I wonder if there is a consistent pattern of unusual space events that happen every 6,000 years or so. If you go by the myth, Atlantis was destroyed in the Younger Dryas of approximately 12,900 BC. I wonder if our solar system periodically passes through some unstable or particularly rocky regions of space as it whirls around in the galaxy.

Maybe we'll know if we ever figure out how to date the rocks on Mars. They would have gone through the same bombardment, if it was loose rocks floating around in space. After all, there are a lot of rocks on Mars that look surprisingly "fresh" and sharp considering they've had fine dust blowing on them for a few billion years.

a reply to: [post=21867056]theantediluvian[/pos?t]

The birth of Venus.?

A higher level of Carbon 14 also occurred in 775AD here.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Love these posts of yours amigo...

This one is particularly interesting to me for a variety of reasons.

Thanks and down with political posts for a while...[silly grin]

Now on to read the rest of this thread...

a reply to: Phage

I am curious if there is a pressure ? Do the rushing partials hit the magneto sphere and push on and move around and past the earth ?

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Yeah. But it's more complicated than that because the particles are charged. Some get trapped in the magnetic field and sort of loop back around to the night side. It's those particles that are mostly responsible for the aurora.

The pressure on the leading edge is slight though. The CME, while denser than the solar wind, is very diffuse. Not much more than a vacuum produced in a laboratory, if that. So, while it does get compressed when it hits the magnetosphere, it's still very tenuous stuff.

a reply to: Phage

Maybe I was thinking too simple but had a picture of a if a Hugh blast would or could move our station in the order of distance from the sun .Not only earth but other bodies in our system .

This is an interesting topic. Climatology and archeology are not my areas of specialization, but applying some of the areas where I do have some expertise, I wonder if perhaps we maybe looking in the wrong place for the answer.

So, I'll start with a question and conclude with a possible theory...

Is there a reliable way to determine the length of an Earth day during this timeframe? Additionally, is there a reliable way to determine tidal actions of the oceans during this same timeframe?

Here's the reason for asking; some (here) have speculated that the event which caused the anomaly noted in the OP is due to an event which took place "on" Earth (i.e. asteroid impact, volcanic event, etc.). But what if it was something else, what if it was an event which occurred 'nearby' Earth, but not "on" Earth. This would tend to explain the localized (in time) 'temporary' nature of the event. In other words, it may explain why the event has an approximate start time and finish time.

Somebody suggested maybe the Earth stopped rotating...and, well, we know with absolute certainty this wasn't the case (not even a possibility). However, the data from the OP suggests something significant did take place during this time, and this event must have been on-par with an occurrence of similar magnitude. Could it be that a sizable celestial body passed by/through our solar system during this time? Something with planetary size and radioactive/electromagnetic properties which would have affected the Earth during it's flyby.

Something of this size, I'm thinking, would have had a temporary affect (albeit ever so slightly) on the Earth's orbital period and likely would have affected tidal action at the same time (similar to the Moon), hence the questions about length of day and historical tidal action data.

People tend to think of planetary/asteroid type celestial object as moving at tremendous velocities (and many do relative to Earth), but these are perceptions based on relative velocities of two objects. This wouldn't necessarily need to be the case. Say for example a Sun sized object passed nearby our solar system at a relatively slow 'rate' relative to the motion of our solar system, this would begin to explain the 'temporary' nature of the findings in the OP. The object wasn't orbiting our Sun, but rather just drifted by. Of course the mass of our solar system (and Sun) would have had an affect on the object's path as well, bending it slightly as it traveled off into space.

The bottom line of my thought was; it wouldn't have needed to be an event which took place "on" Earth necessarily, but rather something which took place locally to our solar system and was significant enough to have had an influence on climate here on Earth during it's pass.

I don't know, just a thought.

ETA...and yes, I do realize that tidal action on Earth as a result of the Moon's orbit and possible affects on tides as a result of what I am suggesting are two completely different discussions, but I was just making a comparison for the purposes of illustration.

And a further thought...

Given this event didn't happen that "long" ago, relatively speaking; if such an object/objects did in fact create some anomalies then the object(s) should still be relatively nearby. Theoretically, if we had some more data, we might even be able to calculate its position, locate and/or possibly even observe it. It would likely be moving 'away' from our solar system so it wouldn't be of as much interest to astronomers as say more local objects which might be orbiting in the neighborhood unless they were looking for it.

Very cool story.

The flood was not a one day event. I'm not sure how that could explain these test results.

But there is a one day event in the Bible concerning the sun. In the Book of Joshua there is an account of the sun "standing still" in order for Israel to finish a battle. I wonder if what ever event happened there could possibly explain these results.

a reply to: jjkenobi

Glad you bring that up about the long day .Its not only recorded in the bible but also from other parts of the earth where it takes on different narratives but remains consistent with the story .ie a long night , a long sun rise or sun set . The story had cred but the how is a mystery that science can't or wont wade into . The vid wont embed for me link www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: theantediluvian

Could there have been a kind of canopy that blocked most of the suns rays ? /

That's what Dr. Dino said. The Christian science dude, Dr. Kent Hovind. Of course he went to jail for 10 years for tax evasion so I'm not sure I would trust his science.

a reply to: Miracula2

I don't think he is or was a scientist ,so nothing to not trust there .As for being in jail well the system we have today puts people who are not guilty in while at the same time let guilty people go free . Wasn't there a guy who said the earth went around the sun put in jail ? And what does sharing a imagination with a opinion do ? hint.it leads to discovery ...

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Given this event didn't happen that "long" ago, relatively speaking

I sometimes wonder of the accuracy of dating . Tree rings seem to be the most reliable but it wouldn't be hard to imagine a disruption in the standard yearly cycle that could alter it .Ice is another one but like the tree rings the weather could turn and maybe leave 2 or more markers in a one year span . But all things being equal they may get you to a past date .