Person Killed At Walmart By Trigger Happy Individual For Stealing Diapers

originally posted by: TheLotLizard

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
He was shot for how he acted when confronted by law abiding citizens. Not because he stole diapers.

And where in the article did you see that? All that it said was he was loading the diapers in the car and the shooter "saw him try to grab something"

Please tell us all about how he "acted" since you were in fact there right?

You stated that the thief was.stealing diapers to care for a child.
I didn't anything about that in the source that you linked.
It said that he and his accomplices were stealing diapers.
Diapers, infant formula and cigarettes are commonly stolen items because they are easy to sell and are high demand items.
Isn't possible that they were just plain old thieves?
Since you weren't there.

the individual felt threatened — one of the suspects reached for something [and he] thought that it was a weapon or firearm,”

he wasn`t killed for stealing diapers, you might as well have gone full retard and said he was killed for being 19 years old.

I hope this CCW holder ends up in jail.

Some people think they have police powers. Citizen's arrest laws are very specific and define when a citizen can act.

Felonies are justified and in many cases so is the use of deadly force in order to stop the commission of that felony.

Misdemeanors are typically off the table for citizen's arrests. Shoplifting is a misdemeanor and it is NOT justifiable to use deadly force.

Folks please don't try to make a case for this because there isn't one. The CCW holder will probably go to jail after the investigation is complete. Maybe even before that.

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

And now for the rest of the story

Facts are a funny thing. Puts things in a different light.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It wasn't just the theft of diapers, it was the culmination of poor choices. Why did he have to steal diapers? Most likely because of those poor choices. Most people on here aren't willing to place the blame at the feet of the guilty. The criminal set in action his own demise through poor choices, and victimizing others. But, he's the victim somehow...

Now, he is worm food.

a reply to: lambs to lions

The thief isn't a victim.

But misdemeanors are not justification for deadly force or citizen's arrest.

a reply to: projectvxn

I agree. Joe smoe should've stayed out of it.

Deputies told the station the person killed was 19 and was shoplifting diapers with three accomplices.

What we have at this point is that the individual felt threatened — one of the suspects reached for something [and he] thought that it was a weapon or firearm,”

Three got away on foot. The one who was shot made it as far as a gas station across the street.

Deputies say the car used in the crime was stolen in a carjacking Jan. 14.

when you choose a life of crime getting shot and killed is one of the hazards of that occupation.

a reply to: projectvxn

Absolutely.

He was where he didn't belong. His presence may have, indeed, lead to the escalation of events.

He was in the wrong. Shoplifting isn't a capital offense, nor does it require escalation of force by well meaning civilians.

a reply to: lambs to lions

No one is saying he's some poor innocent victim here. He made a poor choice, but that shouldn't have lead to his death. He was wrong, but the shooter made just about as poor a choice as you can possibly make. He escalated when he shouldn't have, he went where he wasn't needed--and death resulted. Totally unnecessary.

originally posted by: EightAhoy
originally posted by: CallmeRaskolnikov

I could see maybe selling electronics or something valuable to a pawn place for drug money. But, detergent, diapers and razors? What kinda black market is that? Isn't the purpose of black market to buy/sell things that are illegal?

Black market to me means selling ill gotten gains, underground.

If you could save a trip to the store and buy a 150 oz. Tide for $15 instead of a trip to the store and $18, would you take the deal? Same with diapers. Razors are easily concealed, and who thinks someone walking out of the store with a jug of Tide or large container of diapers would be so bold as to do so without paying for the items? Baby formula is another hot item on the black, errr underground market.

Ah, ok. Yeah, that makes sense now. Back of vans and such. Totally neglected to consider that kind of sales method.

a reply to: Urantia1111

Sharia law would only have the theif's hand cut off.. your own version of justice puts the Quranic edicts to shame.

originally posted by: Grambler
I feel bad for the dead man's family.

However, let's not exagerate as the op that this man was just trying to help is children.

The Last line in the article says the car he was in was carjacked. That is worse than stolen, that means they forcibly stole the car from someone with violence.

Was that for his children too?

yea, lets not exaggerate with one hyperbole, lets exaggerate with another.

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: Grambler
I feel bad for the dead man's family.

However, let's not exagerate as the op that this man was just trying to help is children.

The Last line in the article says the car he was in was carjacked. That is worse than stolen, that means they forcibly stole the car from someone with violence.

Was that for his children too?

yea, lets not exaggerate with one hyperbole, lets exaggerate with another.

What was my hyperbole?

Believe it or not but diapers and formula are the most stolen things at walmarts/targets. And no they aren't fot their kids they try to return it for store credit

originally posted by: drock905
Believe it or not but diapers and formula are the most stolen things at walmarts/targets. And no they aren't fot their kids they try to return it for store credit

4 guys in a carjacked vehicle stealing easily sold goods from Walmart. Security guard tries to intervene, escalates, bad guys gets his from a citizen with a gun. Need more details but I'm not going to condemn the citizen yet, he could just as well turn out to be a hero.

originally posted by: drock905
Believe it or not but diapers and formula are the most stolen things at walmarts/targets. And no they aren't fot their kids they try to return it for store credit

This is BS because you need a receipt plus items are scanned, so if someone stole something there would be a digital record of said item.

You can't just walk into a store and ask for money back without some sort of digital record that you purchased anything.

So I am calling BS.

originally posted by: TheLotLizard
Well it seems that some people are unable to keep it in their pants. IMO the person should have never even took it in their own hands to try to diffuse the situation. A man killed because they were trying to care for a child, even though they were using illegal means to do so. But should that have been a death sentence?

Bet a whole pile of shiny dollars they were stealing to resell, not to "care for a child".

Regardless, group of thugs stealing? Good shoot.

originally posted by: cantthinkofausername

originally posted by: drock905
Believe it or not but diapers and formula are the most stolen things at walmarts/targets. And no they aren't fot their kids they try to return it for store credit

This is BS because you need a receipt plus items are scanned, so if someone stole something there would be a digital record of said item.

You can't just walk into a store and ask for money back without some sort of digital record that you purchased anything.

So I am calling BS.

Walmart calls BS on your calling BS.

Walmart returns policy

The guy should have stayed out of it. If the situation had turned violent and the bad guys pulled a weapon, then he had a reason to intervene, but he should have just reached for a cell phone when he saw what was going on. The fact that they were in a stolen car makes no difference, the WalMart employees nor the shooter knew that at the time. It does show a willingness on the part of the thieves to use violence and I'm sure the guy's lawyer will bring that up.
Just a bad day all around for everyone involved.