It is obvious America is run by Nazis

Originally posted by cainecrawford
They probably created this web site too. It would explain all the censoring when a subject they don't like comes up.

Are you calling me a Nazi? Get real!

Originally posted by Toltec
I have read several links in fact, prior to responding where the Bush family is accused not only of being supportive the Germans during WW2 but as well related to JFK assassination and having business relations with Osama's brother.
A biased article is often defined from the point of not having in print within its content.
The counterpoint, or in other words the response from who is being presented in the article as the accused party.
With all the goings on with respect to Prescot Bush I am certain there was some kind of press conference in which a defense was mounted.

Where is it??

Insulted in talking about history? George Walker & Prescott Bush were prosecuted for financing & supporting Nazi Germany while we were at war with them.
It's not speculation served up as a thorn pointed dig for political debate.

From "Fascism in America: The early days" -
"Behind those with the machinery and the ideas of industry were men like George Herbert Walker and his son-in-law Prescott Bush. Walker's Union Banking Corporation had been dealing in German investments beginning in the 1920's. Walker himself had close ties to Fritz Tyssen, a man who was instrumental in financing the infant nazi party. As Hitler came to power and Nazi rearmament began to heat up the German economy (this was at a time when the world economy was in a depression) there were opportunities open with the Nazis need for banking. The Nazi need for bankers became ever more urgent as they began their conquest in Europe - thus effectively shutting themselves away from many of the worlds banks.
Walker and the Bush didn't stop their dealings with the Nazis after the bloodletting of Jews on Kristalnacht or when Britain and France were attacked, instead they diversified and increased their holdings. Walker also set up a deal to take over the North American operations of the Hamburg-Amerika Line, which was used by I.G. Farben in smuggling cash and other embargoed material. The holding company was Walker's American Shipping & Commerce, which shared the offices at 39 Broadway with Union Banking. Leaving an elaborate corporate paper trail, stock in American Shipping & Commerce was controlled by yet another holding company, the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, run out of Walker's office. The directors of this company were Averill Harriman, Bert Walker, and Prescott Bush.
Even Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 didn't stop the Walker/Bush family from their trading with Nazis. It took the government seizure under the Trading With The Enemies Act of Union Banking Corporation in October of 1942 to stop Walker and Bush."


From the same piece:

"Some of those men who helped build Hitler's horror were American. Prominent among those men was Henry Ford who provided factories and his anti-Semitic publication, "The International Jew." Hitler was so taken by Ford's work that he incorporated much of it in his Mein Kamf. Henry Ford became enamored of the fascists when he saw how Mussolini and Hitler were able to crush and emasculate the trade unions. The shared anti-labor anti-Semitism coupled with the industrial zeal of an arming nation attracted Ford to the Nazis Ford then used his personal prestige and corporate publications to spread nazi propaganda. Ford's work in furthering fascism earned him the highest civilian award (Click here to see 1938 A.P.photo of Nazis giving Ford his medal) from the Nazis (Charles Lindbergh also earned this dubious medal). Men like these saw fascism as the savior of society against communism. "

Picture of medal & our Henry Ford being presented with it:



The JFK link would be during Bush Sr. time in the CIA and being a "company man", one which Richard Nixon commented on regarding another matter:" Bush will do whatever it takes". So others might have those links & research, I haven't looked it up.

The Bush & Bin Ladens....you don't know about that?
George W:
Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden.

Bush Sr.:
Hike in US defence spending to benefit Osama's family": Bin Laden-Bush business connection seen through Carlyle Group
"If the United States boosts defence spending in its quest to stop Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden's alleged terrorist activities, his family may be the unexpected beneficiary of that, media reports said. "Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan, which says it is estranged from Laden, is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specialising in buyouts of defence and aerospace companies," The Wall Street Journal said in an investigative dispatch. It said "through this investment and its ties to Saudi royalty, the bin Laden family has become acquainted with some of the biggest names in the Republican Party." "In recent years, former president George H W Bush, ex-secretary of state James Baker and ex-secretary of defence Frank Carlucci have made the pilgrimage to the bin Laden family's headquarters in Jeddah (Saudi Arabia). "Ex-president Bush makes speeches on behalf of Carlyle Group and is senior adviser to its Asian Partners Fund, while Baker is its senior counsellor and Carlucci is the group's chairman," the journal said." --Hindustani Times, 9/28/01

www.hindustantimes.com...

Former President Bush with the House of Saud & Laden folks

Originally posted by cainecrawford
They probably created this web site too. It would explain all the censoring when a subject they don't like comes up.

You post on "AboveTopSecret - Official website uncovering government secrecy and conspiracies - Area 51, Star Wars, NSA Echelon, Roswell, aliens, cattle mutilations, abductions, UFOs, and Dulce", and you didn't expect that?

Official?

Bout time that guy on the far right in the Laden PIC looks real familiar. Osama bin Laden is actually related to who Bout time?

OK this is how I see it there is an aspect to professional courtesy which lends to the matter of hearing both sides of any story before drawing any conclusions

In general not doing so is a mistake and places one is a position of officially presenting a biased argument.

With respect to an article or for that matter a link on the Internet if the author has not offered the "other side of the story." For all intent and purpose he or she has not taken into consideration the respect given with regard to providing professional courtesy.

The argument is often therefore deemed biased which for the record is an alternative explanation for why so many people tend to treat such issues as irrelevant.

Keep in mind Bout Time I am not talking about you personally rather I am speaking of the articles/links you have referred to in this thread.

To be honest in general a lot of latitude is given to the press with respect to allotting for professional courtesy but otherwise, not taking it into consideration can for those who take that route spell disaster (As a result most if not all people will look at an article and respond to is with that in mind).

To be honest its considered a common courtesy which when not apparent is a clear expression that the author is not only being biased but trying to engage in manupilation (from a negative context).

Furthermore, to say that because a person claims another can be depended upon does not mean they are capable of murder (of course unless there last name is Gotti).


Any thoughts?



[Edited on 1-7-2003 by Toltec]

Oh my God. Look at you Yanks squabbling amongst yourselves again.

Well let me tell you something.

THERE IS A WORLD BEYOND YOUR BORDERS.

We won't let Nazis take the US over. They wouldn't even dare go down that road.

We had our dose of National Socialism out here thank-you very much. When we sent our people over to you we made damn sure that it can't come about again.

America - You EVER mess with us and we'll stop buying your MacDonalds and Coke. You wanted capitilism - You got capitalism. Ain't economics great?
You buggers are so self centred, I reckon 5 years worth of sanctions should be enough to bring you to your knees.
Then you'll find out that WE gave you Jerry Springer and it was honestly all staged!!! You'll know it was staged because you're gonna end up with the real version.

Now be good. Stop calling people Nazis. Balls to your government. There's work to be done.
You guys need to rally around your flag.


As for those with me in the Rest Of The World. Stop s'n-word'ing.
We send our people to America. They bring us back dreams.

Originally posted by kitty
I come from a long line of hard working immigrant russian JEWS. my great grandparents fought to maintain dignity and pride by practicing the jewish religion in the celler of their home. all temples burned to the ground in the cities surrounding them. they had but a few holy books hidden in their tiny home.

all because we were jews trying to leave a commie country. once in america, my family, 15 in all, started working. and working and working. and to this day....working.

i might not be religous, but I am proud of my blood line. and the fact that Im a Jew. Not because jews are powerful but because we survived and will keep surviving.

I see some people bitch about not getting enough benefits in their monthly gov cheese checks. they bitch about how jews control everything....well...yeah, wtf do you expect when we hard working americans ( jewish or otherwise) have to keep their a$$es on welfare. this is a big reason america is hated as a whole. ignorance, they dont WANT to know about other people's hardships and struggles. lack of compassion.

no effin way natzi's run this show

sorry for the rant, maybe if you hear some reality instead of speculation, you will be less likely to bash jews.

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I salute you Miss Kitty,

TUT

as for the thread I do not belive the Republican Capitalist Pigs you refer to as Nazi's are. in WWII they were capitalists acting without conscious, that is what capitalisim is all about, for all you folks that love it. It is dog eat dog!
what is clear is that Bush and his associates [and I don't mean the little one] studied and learned much from Hitler's tactics and rise to power, how to create havoc to enrage the people, how to enact laws the people were willing to accept. In turn using them agaist the people the Patriot Act, FEMA, Gestapo whatever. And the overwhelming vast majority will rant and rave for the Homeland, Fatherland, whatever.
Same play, different actors, New and improved sequel to the original


tut tut

The Rest Of The World calling again.

You Americans are so young.
You can only see yourselves.

But I guess that's what's to be expected when you've only just freed yourselves from slavery.

We've been sitting out here waiting for you.

We gave you Capitalism. We need you and we need to keep you under check. Capitalism binds you. It stops you from trying to take over the World.
We had madmen try to take over the World before. They almost destroyed us.

We need you. That's why you're there. You can only see the world through your young eyes but we've been here a lot longer than you. We have experience. We know each other.

Long before your creation, we have fought extremism. Extremism upsets the balance.
Believe it or not, the World is a much safer place than it was 400 years ago. We have stamped out the majority of extremism.
But now we need you to finish the job. Technology has made the smaller number of extremists left in this world - far more powerful. We need you to stop them and to unite the World.

We made you a Superpower. You didn't take that right.

Whilst you've been busy squabbling amongst yourselves, we've been putting the finishing touches to our plan. Europe is uniting. Israel will get peace and draw Islam back to where it should be - standing shoulder to shoulder with the other religons. Russia is back in the fold.

And China? China is waiting for you. She's always been waiting. She has a third of the World's population that she wants to set free.

But none of that can happen unless you unite. Not as a political party. They dont matter. They come and go.
We need you to unite as a people.

Wake up America!!! We need you!!!

Toltec - round and round we go!
Look, you've stated, in great length, the simple principal of researching a balanced viewpoint. On the Bush clan's ties to Nazi Germany, both sides have been researched and the threads are on this board already; I've simply given you irrefutable proof that they wereprosecuted for Trading with The Enemy, the enemy beingNAZI GERMANY.
I do not think This Bush is a Nazi, I've spelled out that already. I do think the US is becoming a Fascist State under his "leadership".
Toltec, please present the evidence stating George herbert Walker & Prescott Bush were 'railroaded' or mis-charged. I've searched for it, but can't find it.

Lev- Being a 'money lovin' capitalist', I think the busines world will close down this sorry excuse for a government we now have. The idiot-in-chief got in on the illusion that he'd make our margins bigger and our profits continuous.......he's proved he can do neither and that he will jepordize us losing all our customers ( e.g. THE WORLD!!)

Bout time I actually had to review 350 links and for the record with exception of one they all basically said the same thing (give or take), which I found fascinating in that none of them presented the other side.

www.angelfire.com...

Of this much I am certain Bout time based upon the evidence presented on the Internet there is not a judge on the face of this earth who would not perceive the obvious effort to make this more than it in reality was.

To be specific did never say the Bushes were railroaded but did state (clearly) that equal time obviously was not provided. Having spent the last three hours surfing my heart out let me be clear, it is obvious that with respect to biased reporting this issue is the cherry on top.

To be honest I am certain if I had the kind of access a real Journalist has to this topic. Any editor who likes his job would have looked at anything you felt should be in print as justification for termination.

Keep in mind this would not be because of some Alien, Cabal, Illuinati, thought control (alleged) conspiracy but rather, because the whole idea holds as much air as a tire with 10 nails inside it.

Lev if this were a bar fight, at present you would be unconscious as a result of a punch from the both of us.

But do not fret old friend in the end we would both by a keg and share it with you

The US can produce enough Ethanol to provide not only for its own needs but those of England and Japan. For the record the world food supply would not change.

As far as our military we have a new surprise, very soon remote piloting is about to enter a new dimension.

Don't be surprised if by Christmas a Helicopter about the size of a refrigerator, helps to keep the amount of troops that can fit (normally) in a humvee out of trouble.

Enough said for now.....

Any thoughts?

Originally posted by Toltec

Don't be surprised if by Christmas a Helicopter about the size of a refrigerator, helps to keep the amount of troops that can fit (normally) in a humvee out of trouble.

Enough said for now.....

Any thoughts?

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I love the way you said this...awesome.

regards
seekerof

Bout Time do you have no clue?

Many companies were trading with Nazi Germany up until 1942.

It was not stopped until Roosevelt himself had it stopped.

And I think you'll find it hard to find anything the Bush's would have traded WITH THE ENEMY.

Because Prescott Bush only owned what...a Bank?

And the Nazi Economy survived off of Jewish gold, not off of Prescott's bank.

You are pulling hairs. Tiny little ones right under the lip.

He owned just a bank. Hmmm...what funds war or fascism currently? MONEY...jeez some people love twisting words. Think about the Nazis...The only reason they turned into the death machine they were is because someone had to give money to them, and you're naive enough to think that noone from the good ol' US of A would give it to them.

Wow FLNeko or whatever your name is...I must say, truly an ignorant and uninformed post.

Firstly, Bush was not FUNDING the Nazis, though in a way the Kennedy's did...so go beat them up. (Maybe that's why they are all cursed to die lol!).

Anyways, the crime Bush is most hit for, is the Thyusen corp. transfering funds through "Belgium?" maybe denmark, to Prescott's Bank. He had no control over it the transactions were delt through a middle party, anyone could have made the mistake.

All that happend was the Thyusen corp. effectively seccured large funds, from the hands of the "victors."

Before that, Bush's "crime" was simply having connections to Thyusen corp. but he never sent war materials, fuel, nor funds to the Nazis, unlike many other American companies, from whom you all still buy today.

Further more, the people who claim the Bushs have ties with the Nazis even go so far as to belittle Bush Sr's actions in WW2.

Claiming with false quotes from people who never existed, that Bush turned tail and let his mates die while he was only shot down and plucked from the sea.

Incorrect, even common history books detail the fight that day, and the event of him being taken from the water.

All of this argument is simply taking things out of proportion.

The Kennedy's did more to aid the Nazis than the Bush's ever did.

Would you all say then that JFK's assassination was his punishment for his father? Frankly anyone who supports this farse is sick.

Oh by the way FLNEKO whatever your name is...the Nazi economy was fueled by the stealing of other nations, and other people's Gold, not by bankers and financiers. Though uninformed people who know nothing about economics, would like to think outside Jewish Bankers and financiers such as the Rothschilde's had something to do with it...

Bobbie Burns: Perhaps thou protests too much? Revisonism to circle back on the Kennedy clan now? Nazi supporters surpassing the Bush clan?
Look, your cheering for the wrong team is an entitlement that a good number of us on the board wore the uniform to protect. But come on man, this is not a family you should circle the wagons around as representitive of the best/brightest/true leaders of the Republican ideals!!!

Here's the link to a page on a work written by historiansthat gives a step by step on the Bush clans complicity. Out of numerous links I have on the subject, I give this one because ther's over 40 referencable foot notes that you can validate their work by.

www.tarpley.net...

excerpts:

"In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush."

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By Oct. 26, 1942, U.S. troops were under way for North Africa. On Oct. 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation.
U.S. forces landed under fire near Algiers on Nov. 8, 1942; heavy combat raged throughout November. Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942. In this action, the government announced that it was seizing only the Nazi interests, leaving the Nazis' U.S. partners to carry on the business.
These and other actions taken by the U.S. government in wartime were, tragically, too little and too late. President Bush's family had already played a central role in financing and arming Adolf Hitler for his takeover of Germany; in financing and managing the buildup of Nazi war industries for the conquest of Europe and war against the U.S.A.; and in the development of Nazi genocide theories and racial propaganda, with their well-known results.

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How important was the Nazi enterprise for which President Bush's father was the New York banker?

The 1942 U.S. government investigative report said that Bush's Nazi-front bank was an interlocking concern with the Vereinigte Stahlwerke (United Steel Works Corporation or German Steel Trust) led by Fritz Thyssen and his two brothers. After the war, Congressional investigators probed the Thyssen interests, Union Banking Corp. and related Nazi units. The investigation showed that the Vereinigte Stahlwerke had produced the following approximate proportions of total German national output:

50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
36.0% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
35.0% of Nazi Germany's explosives
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According to testimony of officials of the companies before Congress in 1934, a supervisor from the Nazi Labor Front rode with every ship of the Harriman-Bush line; employees of the New York offices were directly organized into the Nazi Labor Front organization; Hamburg-Amerika provided free passage to individuals going abroad for Nazi propaganda purposes; and the line subsidized pro-Nazi newspapers in the U.S.A., as it had done in Germany against the constitutional German government.
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...And on the whole sorry subject of the Bush Crime Family, the authors close with:
"Thus is history erased; and those decisions, which direct history into one course or another, are lost to the knowledge of the current generation."

Originally posted by Abraham Virtue
Take notice of the decision by Bush and the cronies of his at the Supreme Court to restrict those eligable to receive their dues from the California Holocaust Victim Insurance Relief Act of 1999. This law, if allowed to be set in motion would have done two things. One, it would have allowed some 5,600 Holocaust survivors to claim insurance polices lost, or should I say stolen by the Nazis prior to the end of WWII. The second, and most important thing the law would have done is to force those that collaberated with the Nazis to reveal their company records so they could become public and innocent people such as yourself wouldn't have to support murderous and racist devils such as these.

I got one question for Bush. Do you want to die????

Cause if I ever saw you in person I would probably bite your head off and swallow so I could sh*t you out my a$$!!!!!!!

This country should be rioting to the extreme. It is sad that no one cares about these horrible crimes against humanity. It just shows who is really in power. The Nazis have not lost the war. I promise you that. They are every where. And as of now they are sitting in our highest courts and in the highest places in government. When will the hypocrisy stop????

When are we going to say enough is enough????

Three or four days ago I said that I was proud of Bush and that I was proud of my country. Now that is not so and won't be so until this country does what is right. Bush needs to be outcasted and deported. The Supreme Court needs to be absolved and the judges deported as well. Sometimes freedom goes too far. We don't have the freedom to rape and steal. So why do we have the freedom to support murderous regimes of the past and oppress those that were inslaved by those regimes????

Why??????????????????????????????????????????

wow..........................................................................