Unbiased take on Trump and the elites

Here is a great podcast Joe Rogan Experience #911 with Eddie Bravo and the one and only Alex Jones

podcasts.joerogan.net...

Basically Jones take on Trump is that he is actually a proud American who wants to make America and its populous prosperous again.

Of course he is doing it with a hammer and no finesse but he has the best interests of the country at heart. This is the opposite of what Clinton and the elites want, which is ultimate power, one world government and ultimately a breakaway civilization while the rest of us our stuck on earth and suffering or killed etc.

They go into some detail into pizzagate and how it was a bit of a red herring to some of the politicians currently being arrested who are part of the paedophile rings in Washington that the elites are involved in.

Trump may be a jerk at times but he is interested in hot Eastern European woman rather than the elites who are a sick bunch of pedo's

Jones explains the secret war going on where the good parts of the US government along with the good parts of the alphabet agencies are cleaning house and taking down the elites, the paedophile rings etc. This rings true to what David Wilcock discussed on C2C last month.

Basically the deep state and the elites knew the threat Trump is to them and tried to bring him down during the whole election along with the MSM.

Basically Trump is draining the swamp but the MSM is using diversionary tactics and trying to portray him in the most negative light.

He's just trying to secure USA safety etc and clean up the tax code and simplify it while bringing back Corp to pay taxes in USA.

Some of the things like building the wall are probably just negotiation tactics with Mexico to renegotiate NAFTA

To summarize, Trump is in Jones eyes the most honest and uncorrupt President since Kennedy and he is willing to take on the globalists head on.

I personally think Jones is making some great points here and unfortunately most people can't see the big picture of what he's doing. Trump is actually going full force on a lot of his promises as opposed to all recent presidents who basically backtracked on all the good things they promised

I am Canadian and have an unbiased view from here and have no strong political leanings. I would say I'm a centrist and look at everything with a balanced approach and look at things on an issue by issue basis

I think people should calm down and see what Trump does long term and big picture cause he may very well bring prosperity back to the USA and cleanup the corruption that has occurred the last 50 plus years

a reply to: LibraJustice

This is already obvious to the people that know, but the "sheep" have been led astray for so long that they don't even know it..

The minute you mentioned Alex Jones you doomed yourself to an unrelenting attack from his many detractors...I think Alex always has a grain of truth in his premise though.

I will be interested in following your thread on this issue because I have chosen to believe the same narrative. ATS is slowly morphing into a conservative echo chamber but there are many liberal voices still manning the ramparts in the culture wars....good luck. Flag and a star for the OP.

Basically the deep state and the elites knew the threat Trump is to them and tried to bring him down during the whole election along with the MSM.

Bolox. If the deep state, if the powers that be, if the elite world controllers wanted to bring down Trump....He would be dead.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

Basically the deep state and the elites knew the threat Trump is to them and tried to bring him down during the whole election along with the MSM.

Bolox. If the deep state, if the powers that be, if the elite world controllers wanted to bring down Trump....He would be dead.

Maybe though Trump is a well known figure and these days with so much scrutiny it is harder to do. I think they did not kill him because they thought Clinton would win. Their misstep was being too confident and they misjudged the election. I think the Trump win took them by surprise.

a reply to: LibraJustice

If the banana head Clintons could be responsible for half the deaths that are told to be in their wake, I can see no way that if the real powers were intent on taking him down, they would have.

Trump did not sneak up on them. They allowed him into the public eye decades ago. Then they gave him a tv show to make him popular. He began voicing political opinions long before the recent election cycle. The Republican Primaries were a complete sham. He was up against Larry Moe and Curly. It was a cake walk for him. Tell me please, is it that freeking easy to beat the real power?

Er,
I thought Trump likes little girls himself.

a reply to: LibraJustice

In many respects, I think you're quite correct in that it appears that Trump really is a patriotic "American" genuinely interested in repairing the US economy. The culture is, of course, a lost cause and what surprises me is that Trump is really out of touch on that case, or...........he just doesn't care what the typical leftist Urbanite thinks. That's made obvious by his Prayer Breakfasts and such.

But here's the deal with Trump I believe so very many, possibly including Alex Jones, miss. Trump, at his core, is a product of a genuine Germanic upbringing........he's "conservative" to his core and back and part of that conservatism is his belief in thrift and productivity.....i.e., hard work......"work will make you free".

As that is the case, my guess is that the single most important issue for Trump is the huge debt bomb the US is currently carrying...........some 37 Trillion the last time I looked, and that's in a 37 Trillion dollar economy which means..........the US is nearly upside down on its debt, a situation the US hasn't been in since the war years and the years following WWII.

Its just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet that at the very core of the Trump agenda is to ramp up GDP growth to something between 4%~6% in order to balance the budget and to begin retiring the debt.

How is that a threat to the "Deep State"? Its a threat in two ways. First, the Deep State relies on the Black Budget for its toys and profits, the Second, its long been the goal of the Deep State to cripple the US and force it into a situation where its dependent upon the World financial system to stay afloat.

My concern is that the Deep State operatives will get so worried about their situation............they'll take him out.

originally posted by: LibraJustice
To summarize, Trump is in Jones eyes the most honest and uncorrupt President since Kennedy and he is willing to take on the globalists head on.

Then Jones has no credibility whatsoever

I think people should calm down and see what Trump does long term and big picture cause he may very well bring prosperity back to the USA and cleanup the corruption that has occurred the last 50 plus years

When you find that you have cancer, you do not 'calm down' and wait for the 'long term and big picture' to see where it's going.
That is a dead-man's strategy!

a reply to: TonyS

.....gold star for being perceptive!

a reply to: namelesss

Please explain how you recommend responding to Trump if you don't wish to "calm down' and wait for the 'long term and big picture," I would be interested in your conclusions.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
The Republican Primaries were a complete sham. He was up against Larry Moe and Curly. It was a cake walk for him.

That was one of the deepest, most experienced field of politicians the Republicans have ever assembled. Jeb had more money behind him than God. Rand Paul (who I love) was considered to be a superstar in the making ("the most interesting man in politics"). Ted Cruz was beloved by conservatives. Ben Carson an African-American conservative icon. Not to mention all of the governors like Kasich, Walker, Perry etc. Trump dispatched all of them. It is a minor miracle Trump navigated through all of that, it certainly was no "cake walk". Trump is the real deal, not perfect, but certainly a Patriot.

originally posted by: WilliamtheResolute
a reply to: namelesss

Please explain how you recommend responding to Trump if you don't wish to "calm down' and wait for the 'long term and big picture," I would be interested in your conclusions.

I think that you may be disappointed.
I have no 'response to Trump'.
None of this is in my hands, and I wouldn't 'change' anything.
I know where this is going and I am good with the larger picture.
Unfortunately, the larger picture is that times are going to get more painful for the general human, before things... resolve (from within us) for the 'better'.
I am very willing to leave the legality of the Constitutionality, the nepotism, the Nazi cabinet, the destruction of our environment, the predation of the poor, walling out people (I've seen the movie, and the 'walling' NEVER ends well!!!), letting churches run wild in politics (as if they don't already, people are just too cowardly to spank them, legally), etc... etc...
Even if Trump replaces every judge with his elite cronies and family members, it's all the same to me.
I'm just an observer who offers my Perspective on what I observe.
A mirror, sometimes...
What can be seen as a genocidal maniac (not talking of Trump, yet) can also be seen as the strong right arm of God! *__-

If response is what you need to do, I'd suggest keeping it legal, as much as possible, torture (prison) sucks!
There are many legal means of responding; 'voting' (no straight face there), protests, being an 'activist'...
Ultimately, if the conditions are appropriate, even war would be 'legal'!
When you see something being committed, that is illegal, unconstitutional, feel free to agitate for charges being brought!
A simple citizen can do that, if you don't mind being attacked and savaged by presidential tweets...
There is lots that one can legally do, whether it makes any difference is another matter.
The 'future' is already a done deal, but that 'done deal' is One with the done deal of whatever we are doing today...
Hopefully I have not disappointed you with my answer. *__-
peace

a reply to: namelesss

"The 'future' is already a done deal, but that 'done deal' is One with the done deal of whatever we are doing today..."

So, I take it you lean more to the religious preordained outcomes for this nation and the world as opposed to the American Manifest Destiny beliefs?

I say give the guy a shot.

Not that I'm anybody special. I consider myself unbiased as well.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
It is a minor miracle Trump navigated through all of that, it certainly was no "cake walk". Trump is the real deal, not perfect, but certainly a Patriot.

Either that or he was planted by the 'Elite' (i.e. the deep state) and they did the navigating (pulling a lot of strings) for him...

...which is more likely, that Trump is a miracle worker or that he is (secretly) one of the 'Elite'?

originally posted by: WilliamtheResolute
a reply to: namelesss

"The 'future' is already a done deal, but that 'done deal' is One with the done deal of whatever we are doing today..."

So, I take it you lean more to the religious preordained outcomes for this nation and the world as opposed to the American Manifest Destiny beliefs?

When I say that every moment of Universal existence already exists Here! Now! synchronously, how can such a notion as 'preordination' even be possible?
'Time' is not possible, so there is no 'pre-' anything, other than as an 'appearance'.
As all is One, the person sitting back and seeing the larger picture, and the fellow who is being an 'activist' and a 'doer', and every other Perspective all fit together, seamlessly, in One.

I might use religious terms, at times, due to the large religious audience, but just because something from scripture resembles what I see/offer is purely coincidental.
I am quite good at translating.
Odd thing, though, the further down the road that I can see, the more that I can see 'prophecies' (real ones) in a different light, and understand some of the metaphors.

Manifest destiny?
Rape? Pillage? Plunder?
Now where are the ethics in that? *__-

a reply to: LibraJustice

if you're basing your views off of listening to a podcast featuring alex jones your take is biased.

alex jones is in love with donald trump and defends him to the death, just the other day alex said he is ready to die for donald trump. he is hardcore donald trump and his opinion is not a very good one for an unbiased take. i'm not sure you can find any unbiased views on trump.

i like to listen to jones, the young turks, cnn, mark levin etc etc just so i can hear different points of view.