More intel on this ,please.

This is a bad thing if true. Does anyone have another source?

www.worldnetdaily.com...


Roper

This is nothing new, they've been doing this for years.

The US Military presence in Saudi Arabia is a sore point with a lot of Saudi militants. They want the US out and i suppose we shouldnt be surprised they are spreading this through Mosques in the US. After all the most holy shrine in the Muslim world in in Saudi Arabia and they view it as an affront to Islam that there are foreign forces in the Country.



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I thought that the US was slowly moving out of saudi anyway as the saudi although publically supportive were privately trying to get you out. Didn't you have a control centre there just before the iraq war and you built another one somewhere else in the mid east which you were going to move all the ops to?

The troubling part of this is that this hate propaganda is being disseminated by the Saudi government. It is distributed at their embassies in the US and through many mosques.

The Saudi government are a weird bunch. They are our partners in oil, yet underneath it all they hate us. They have outlived their time and are sure to be replaced in the near future, quite possibly by the same terrorist groups that they helped to create.

Originally posted by jsobecky
The Saudi government are a weird bunch. They are our partners in oil, yet underneath it all they hate us. .

Its vitally important when considering the politics of saudi arabia to rember that the country, althought ruled by a dynasty, does have a bit of a schism running thru it. Apparently there are some members of governmentin important posts that are effectively conservatives, trying to keep the status quo, and others who are more supportive of wahhabism and radical reform. The state itself doesn't have any 'machinery' to properly deal with these differences, the result is that the policy of the state is schizophrenic at times. They'll raid terrorist cells, and then publish books describing jews as evil zionists. They'll crack down on dissidents, and at the same time fund terrorists.

Also important to remember that "Al Sa'ud," the founder of the Sa'ud dynasty, was a petty cheiftan in the late 1800's. Part of his rise to power was aligning himself with the Wahhabi of the desert.

So, Sa'ud have been riding the Wahhabi tiger for a century now. They are used to playing sides off of each other, and showing different faces to supporters and clients.

We live in a wonderful world!
The usual as one might say in the business world, money rules one own's appetite for material things. what are friends for as allies. Feels like we are in the middle of a lot of lynch mobs doesn't it. LOL

Thanks for all the replies. But I was wondering about the organization that published the report. " Freedom House's Center for Religious Freedom, "Saudi Publications on Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques,"

Is this thing one sided? You know a hate group/just keep things stirred up?

Roper out.

I don't know anything about the group, but if the publications they refer to are genuine, then it really doesn't matter. You can't take the spotlight off of the Saudis because a whistleblower may or may not have unclean hands.

Lets just destroy Mecca and get this over with.

Actually, in all seriousness: The Middle East is nothing without oil. Its a big sand parking lot. The moment the world realizes this and creates alternate fuels all of the Middle East will rot in thier usless oil. There arent any other exports worth even a mention. They need to filter sea water to drink and import a huge portion of thier food. All for oil. The middle east would be less than todays third world nations when oil is replaced.

All it would take is the USA, Russia, and China to find something better to dry up all of the mid east instantly. Even one of those the major consumers would strike a near critical blow.

You just wait and see what happens. It may even happen in our lifetime. The middle east will scramble to get us to buy thier oil. They will be dependant of the rest of the world. Like a stray dog begging for food. Thats what they fear.

I think it should be U.S. policy to nuke Mecca -- making it uninhabitable or visitable for centuries -- if any terrorist state or group launches another major attack. That promise may be the only thing that could stop them.

man, thats messed up. that would be enough to justify a nuclear response and ultimately make the whole planet uninhabitable. brilliant thinking.

I am going to second skippytjc's notion about hitting them where it really hurts...their wallet.

They seem like a very respectable organization: you can visit their website here. You can download the full document in pdf for free, but it's quite long (95 pages!). I gave it a good look and the sources seem reliable and the document seems well documented and put together.
Authorities are well aware of the nature of this Saudi-supplied material, but they seldom act: most of them consider preaching jihad just a colorful way to teach religion, a little bit like firebrand Fundamentalists vehemently preaching about Hell. Too bad here we are not talking about Lucifer torturing sinners in the Afterlife, but about cutting people to shreds in THIS life.
We face a terrible dilemma: should we allow freedom of speech and religion to a group that will use it to deny these rights to other groups? I can't answer, and I won't.
Moreover: how are moderated, yet pious, Muslims reacting to this? Do they know that their own co-religionists are threatening them with death and calling them heretics, just because they happen to have a Jew friend or not to forceful convert everyone in their neighbourhood?

Originally posted by Kakugo
They seem like a very respectable organization: you can visit their website here. You can download the full document in pdf for free, but it's quite long (95 pages!).

Hmmm - directed by R James Woolsey? CIA
Reputable?
www.benadorassociates.com...

What does destroying mecca prove? nothing I'm sure alot of catholics would be pissed and seeking revenge if the vatican was destroyed. Destroying something like mecca would only incite anger and mob mentality.

Something else the Middle east controls; OPEC and OPECs reach is really far. Into our own reserves actually OPEC has the Energy market Under its thumb, what does the US need, tada energy. That is Why we need the middle east.

Russia is the next big oil reserve, what makes you think communist china, and the kremlin give up those oil reserves to uncle sam? This would be like dangling a big carrot (oil) in front of a mule (USA) pulling a cart. And its not like you could just take the oil from the Russians because the Chinese would be all over the US like stink on poop. The Chinese aren't just a minor threat in a situation like that remeber.

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