Shooting in a mosque in Québec city

a reply to: Vasa Croe

a thousand+ year history of being the most violent in the world

And who would that be? Or have you forgotten the Northern Crusades, Albigensian Crusade, the 100 Years War, the Huguenot Wars (French Wars of Religion), the multiple continent-wide conquests during both the Colonialism and Imperialism periods that nearly erased the native populations, the European "Scramble for Africa" conquests", the Opium Wars in China, the Banana Wars in Latin America, etc. All of these and many more were launched by Christian majority nations, kingdoms, and factions.

And who can forget WW1 & WW2, which were mostly fought by Christian nations. And the Cold War, which mostly pitted the Christian majority USSR vs the Christian majority US/NATO alliance. The 1st and 2nd Indochina Wars involved the natives of Indochina trying to regain their freedom from the Christian-majority French and American-led invading alliances.

In fact, the Christian majority US has military bases around the world, has covert ops active in more than 130 countries, and has killed how many hundreds of thousands of people during the current War on Terror? Just the Christian majority UK has one of the most abysmal human rights records of modern times when we look at their former empire. Of course, the Christian majority Belgians were atrocious in their Congo colony, killing more Congolese people than the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. And the Christian majority Germans committed the first recognized genocide of the 20th century in modern day Namibia, several decades before the Nazis came to power.

Look, I don't hate or reject Christians. But I absolutely hate the double standards and outright BS when people start denying its history. you act as if Christian majority countries didn't conquer & rule nearly the entire world for the last 400 plus years. If a country, nation, or kingdom's religion is going to be blamed for its atrocities, then that needs to be done universally. But if we're going to acknowledge that the leaders of countries, nations, and kingdoms commit atrocities for economic, personal, & geopolitical reasons, that also needs to be done universally.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Kinda like Muhammed? Religious politics have killed more in history than anything else...Islam being at the top of that heap.

That's straight deflection, and a good chunk of the problem.

How is that deflection? Blaming Trump for a killing in another country is absurd as it is.

You may have noticed how your current administration has been ginning up the mean-spirited and the enfeebled against Muslims and refugees. That connects to a white supremacist shooting up a Mosque. Your tirade against Islam simply adds to that process.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

You may have noticed how your current administration has been ginning up the mean-spirited and the enfeebled against Muslims and refugees.

You blame Trump and not the actions world wide of Muslims and refugees? You think people like Muslims more when they see daily violence perpetrated in the name of Islam?

That connects to a white supremacist shooting up a Mosque. Your tirade against Islam simply adds to that process.

Is this irony contradictory position lost on you?

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: D8Tee

You mean like how people blame Muslims in one country for the attacks in other countries? It sucks being scapegoated, doesn't it?

Oh please. It's a staple of the left to scapegoat white people for EVERYTHING they dont like about the world.

a reply to: TheBulk

Yep. That's why we chose white people to be the presidential nominees for the 3 most influential left wing parties here, right? (facepalm) (note: I don't know why I'm assuming you know who Alyson Kennedy is...)

Also, what does your lame blanket statement have to do with my post? If you really believed your words, you'd also be saying it's wrong to blame people in one country for the crimes committed in another country by people from the same demographic. Why? Because it sucks to be scapegoated. Instead you're doing what exactly?

originally posted by: TheBulk
You blame Trump and not the actions world wide of Muslims and refugees? You think people like Muslims more when they see daily violence perpetrated in the name of Islam?

I blame those who embolden the mean spirited and the enfeebled to take out their aggression on 'the other'.
You blame the victim. Don't speak to me of irony.

Well dang. Jihad works both ways, doesn't it

originally posted by: Brett83
Well dang. Jihad works both ways, doesn't it

If you mean that all societies have members with a capacity for evil intent...you're right. Often, they are just waiting to be told it's acceptable so they feel they can act with impunity.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Kinda like Muhammed? Religious politics have killed more in history than anything else...Islam being at the top of that heap.

That's straight deflection, and a good chunk of the problem.

How is that deflection? Blaming Trump for a killing in another country is absurd as it is.

You may have noticed how your current administration has been ginning up the mean-spirited and the enfeebled against Muslims and refugees.

That's been going on since 9/11 and even before then. Trump has just echoed what people have been saying for a very long time, not vice versa.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Kinda like Muhammed? Religious politics have killed more in history than anything else...Islam being at the top of that heap.

That's straight deflection, and a good chunk of the problem.

How is that deflection? Blaming Trump for a killing in another country is absurd as it is.

You may have noticed how your current administration has been ginning up the mean-spirited and the enfeebled against Muslims and refugees.

That's been going on since 9/11 and even before then. Trump has just echoed what people have been saying for a very long time, not vice versa.

You could say much the same for 1930s Germany. And the good folk chose to hold their tongues. Quite frankly, I understand those times a lot better all of a sudden. I observe that Jewish commentators seem to be taking note as well. It would seem that now the reins have been cut.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I don't see any difference in saying it or thinking it if someone 'believes' it. Their actions are going to tell the truth whether they say it or not.

They can even lie about it...it doesn't change the truth. (Much like so many Democrats who live like racists when they claim they aren't...and even point their fingers at others, instead.)

So a white guy shoots up a mosque and people are trying to lay the blame at the feet of Muslims. Stay classy ATS.

This conspiracy theory forum has an awful lot of Muslim blamers.

It reminds me of Trump of all people. A man who thinks a Muslim majority country was framed by the USA over false accusations of WMDs but still has no empathy for the plight of Muslim people. There is some type of hate disconnect there that can't bring him to stop accusing Muslims of everything. This rings true on this website as well.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

In essence, organized religions can be used to provoke people to start taking from, hurting, or killing others for being different.

I call this the 'weaponization' of a religion, for lack of a better term. I have been thinking about it a lot recently, as I ponder history, and see it repeating itself again.

ANY religion can be 'weaponized', and used as a reason to start killing people. Christianity is a good example of a religion that preaches love and good deeds, but has been weaponized in the past, is being weaponized somewhere on the planet currently (no doubt) ... and will be weaponized again in the future.

Islam is currently being weaponized, and was originally devised to control armies and conquests; so, it was actually weaponized from its very inception by the prophet Mohammad.

I opine that all religions are dangerous to a degree because of this dark side, and currently Islam is the most weaponized religion on the planet.

I am not saying that religions are good or bad, but they all have potential to be either, and some have more potential for a dark side than others.

Can you think of any religion that cannot be weaponized, or has not been weaponized to at least some degree in the past?

Canadians have gun laws, look how well they worked.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I don't see any difference in saying it or thinking it if someone 'believes' it. Their actions are going to tell the truth whether they say it or not.

And if they sit around in their basements muttering, that's one thing.If they figure that the rest of society has caught up to their illness because their guy got in, and they start to shoot anybody who doesn't look or pray like them...that's quite another.
And there's a lot of arses out there (and on ATS, too) that suddenly figure Islamophobia is acceptable.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

And there's a lot of arses out there (and on ATS, too) that suddenly figure Islamophobia is acceptable.

And when in history has this been any different?

originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

And there's a lot of arses out there (and on ATS, too) that suddenly figure Islamophobia is acceptable.

And when in history has this been any different?

You'll note the word 'suddenly'. That suggests that the level of hatred expressed has risen since November 8th.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

Look at what is happening in Europe, you want to see North America like that?

www.cbc.ca...

Sam Pisani abandoned a lecture on Confucius he'd scheduled for Monday morning — he realized his Grade 11 students could learn more by reflecting on the fallout of the mass shooting that killed six inside a Quebec City mosque Sunday night.

Instead, they taught him about the depth of their empathy. Their compassion. And about the quiet wisdom they've amassed growing up in Canada's most multicultural city.

Pisani asked if his students would each write a letter that he could deliver to a local mosque. There would be no marks for the assignment, but at the end of the school day there were notes from all 17 students.

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