Petition Demanding Donald Trump Release His Tax Returns Breaks White House Record

a reply to: bastion

Wait...WHAT?

You mean you didn't get the memo????? Trump wasn't just elected president of the US, he was elected president of the World! AND...there's an on-line internet poll going on right now with 800,000 votes to elect him president of the Solar System, and another just started today to make him president of the Universe! It already has 800k votes too! [/sarcasm]

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I never said you couldn't be asked to provide evidence. The point I was trying to make was that the public in general do not have legal standing to determine whether or not a candidate is eligible to run for an office. That falls to each individual state. If they want to take the candidate at their word that's decision. If they want to take the word of the home state of the candidate at their word that's their decision. If they need to see the the actual birth certificate to vet a candidate that's their decision. At no point is the public actually involved in the vetting process.

And yet Trump and his followers spent years trying to delegitimize Obama by demanding his birth certificate. He had no legal obligation to provide anything. Hell, there wasn't even a historical precedence.

So don't act like it's a huge burden for Trump to publicly release his tax returns. At least there's historical pressure in that case.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
So don't act like it's a huge burden for Trump to publicly release his tax returns. At least there's historical pressure in that case.

QFT

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Believe me, nothing "flew past me" on this topic!!

LOL!! LOLOLOLOL!!!!! (smackin' leg) LOLOLOL!!!

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Fine. Is that all?

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: bastion

Wait...WHAT?

It's standard operating procedure - if a foreign leader commits crimes againsrt humanity, the law and democracy - they're generally not welcome (in the case of cutting off water I'm fairly certain this goes as high as the UN than just the sovereign nation).



Lilewise I suggest your read up on how democratic petitions work, as in normal democracies the Party in charge are meant to represent the will of the people - hence the name).

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
a reply to: Krazysh0t

When he does release them I think the left will be in for yet another surprise.. Some of his doings may "look" shady, but he is using laws and loopholes that HE did not create. In other words, he more than likely did everything by the book, even if that "book" is screwed up.

So Donald will get behind a podium and tell all the politicians that they've been screwing the American people for too long, benefiting at the expense of the Common people and he's gonna stop it 'right here, right now'. Oh except if it's HIS stuff we're talking about.

Actions speak louder than words. He's every bit as bad as the people he's allegedly going to drain.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I don't suggest it's a huge burden, only that he's not required to do it. It's really his choice, and frankly, he will have to deal with the fallout of doing it or not. It's really that simple.

To your point about states having to verify the candidates eligibility, I would argue this is not an entirely accurate characterization. Yes, states should be responsible for vetting a candidate, but this does replace the federal requirement under the US Constitution. The Constitution does not say it is the states responsibility, only that the requirement exists (however it is verified). There is a difference.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

That Petition has as Much Suscess of Happening than a Passed Bill for Term Limits in the Congress and Senate . Good Luck with that .

a reply to: bastion

An Internet petition and $1.50 'might' get you a cup of coffee (except at Starbucks where it'll be $5.50).

The internet represents the will of the people about as well as a phart represents what you had for dinner!

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Krazysh0t

That Petition has as Much Suscess of Happening than a Passed Bill for Term Limits in the Congress and Senate . Good Luck with that .

No harm in trying though right?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

If a "small" portion of the public wants to see Trump's tax returns you really have no standing to shout them down. A "small" portion of the population, Trump included, wanted to see Obama's birth certificate. Neither of them had any legal obligation to provide them to the public (although there is a historical precedence for tax returns.) Yet Obama released his birth certificate twice. It's simply karma. It's highly likely Trump's tax returns will change anything. However, his resistance towards releasing them is certainly suspicious. At least Obama released a birth certificate during his campaign.

When it comes to vetting candidates the blame clearly lands on the shoulders of the Founding Fathers. Like many things (natural born citizen) they left things open to interpretation. We have interpreted this to mean that the States will perform the vetting. No court has determined this is unconstitutional so it stands.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

About the only thing you've said so far I agree with.

Nope, no harm in trying. Keep on keepin' on, I guess.

Oh, and just for the record; I actually wouldn't mind taking a gander at Trump's tax return either. Probably won't happen (just like it didn't with the Clintons either), but I wouldn't mind it.

Australian media magnate Kerry Packer stated in front of a government enquiry 'of course I minimize my tax' and as with any big business Trump has the lawyers and accountants to minimize if not avoid paying tax, hell GE that owns 100 times the assets Trump does PAYS ZERO TAX.

What Trump did do was employ 22 450 employees whom all pay tax.

IS THERE A SINGLE SOUL ON THIS WEBSITE THAT EMPLOYEES THAT MANY?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Krazysh0t

That Petition has as Much Suscess of Happening than a Passed Bill for Term Limits in the Congress and Senate . Good Luck with that .

No harm in trying though right?

No , but what is the Point Now ? He is the President , the way he Uses the Power of that Office concerning his Tax Returns will Show Every American if he is somehow Hiding something there or Not .

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Krazysh0t

About the only thing you've said so far I agree with.

Nope, no harm in trying. Keep on keepin' on, I guess.

Oh, and just for the record; I actually wouldn't mind taking a gander at Trump's tax return either. Probably won't happen (just like it didn't with the Clintons either), but I wouldn't mind it.

The clintons released their tax returns.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Krazysh0t

That Petition has as Much Suscess of Happening than a Passed Bill for Term Limits in the Congress and Senate . Good Luck with that .

No harm in trying though right?

No , but what is the Point Now ? He is the President , the way he Uses the Power of that Office concerning his Tax Returns will Show Every American if he is somehow Hiding something there or Not .

It's the principle of the matter. It should be done to put people's worries at ease. Plus it would be a good gesture to rebuild bridges with the left.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: bastion

An Internet petition and $1.50 'might' get you a cup of coffee (except at Starbucks where it'll be $5.50).

The internet represents the will of the people about as well as a phart represents what you had for dinner!

I don't follw the first paragraphy?

Agin, please research. In the UK if 100,000 or more vote in the petitions it a legal requirement to write to signitaries and some go on to be deabtes in Parli has to be debated in Parliament, many government policies have been stopped because of these petitions.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Good grief!! Where to even begin with that one!!

First of all, Obama never released his BC...at all...EVER! The State of Hawaii released a document alleged to be a copy from a book showing a dubious certificate of live birth. Now before you go getting all spun up, I'm not a birther and I don't doubt Obama's eligibility based on citizenship. However, the supporting documents released to date are dubious at very best. I'm not going down this rabbit-hole (again) here on this thread. Why they did this is really the question. In my mind I think they were hiding something else (i.e. not citizenship, but carefully shielding him from prosecution for fraud on student loans for example). Again, this is another debate.

The notion Obama released his BC during his campaign is simply laughable. It took fully two years to extract that dubious document from Hawaii, and it was like pulling a rotten tooth in the process. Prior to this all Hawaii was doing was certifying it existed, not producing the documents. In any case, Obama is over. Period. This is about Trump's tax returns. Obama is irrelevant.

Second, the only reason states determine citizenship is because it is the states who issue BC's. It has nothing to do with Constitutional law and/or requirements. There is no precedent saying it is states responsibility to determine citizenship of eligibility to be president. It just so happens the federal government uses state issued BC's as one of the measures of satisfying this requirement, nothing more. Go find me some Amendment where this alleged requirement exists. I'll save you some time; you won't find it.

a reply to: bastion

My apologies, I guess I didn't realize English is not your native tongue. I do apologize.

Here in the US there is an old saying which goes...

"that, and .25 cents will get you a cup of coffee"

It's a play on words meaning the statement or thought preceding that line is essentially not of much value, and the statement + .25 cents will get you a .25 cent cup of coffee. I scaled it up for inflation.

Again, I do apologize. It is what is known as an anachronism of sorts.

To your statement about petitions, yes, official petitions do carry some weight here in the US as well. However, they have to be officially conducted in accordance with law, and there are rules governing the same. Internet polls do not qualify as official "petitions".