Mikhail Gorbachev: 'It All Looks As If the World Is Preparing for War'

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

If it happens, it happens.

Obviously most of us sane people would prefer to avoid war to spare the lives of countless individuals, but as history has shown us, those who call the shots are the ones who make decisions like going to War, and everyone else is pretty much just along for the ride. Not much we can really do.

But i have one thing in my head. What if soldiers and people of those warmongerer countries just would stop to follow the orders of their warmongererer rulers? What if Soldiers/people, that have enough of "rulers" that exploit people for their own wealth, turn their weapons and anger at those who are the reason for all the misery, instead of the said enemy?

Look, people are fed to the backteeth from all that "rulers", from that dictatorship of the rich and only because of that powerful. People do not, can not believe anything anymore, all the more it comes out of the heads and mouths of those servants for the ultrarich individuals.

So, what if the soldiers/people say:
Never ever a russian or a chinese(or from their sight, a US american or japanese) harmed me personally, why should i hate and kill them, just because of the will of the rulers and their propaganda? But on the other side, there are a lot of people IN OUR COUNTRY, those in suits and ties, those politicians, those lobbyists, those banksters, those tax dodgers, those secret services, the military-industrial complex, those that profit from wars but will never ever fight for themselves or send their children into these wars, that harmed and harm all of us.

If the people don´t trust these rulers anymore(as it is fact nowadays, for very good reasons), why should they go to fight for them, in their wars? Are wars not thought to wipe out the evil enemy? We all know, worldwide, who the evil enemy is.
It´s greed. greedy and ultrarich people! It´s our systems, which are made to make some rich individuals richer, to the detriment of 99,9% of the people. So if those greedy rich individuals tell us(via their henchmen, called politicians, and the MSM propgaganda) who suddenly now, for no good reasons, has to be our enemy that we have to hate and fight, why should we believe that crap anymore and follow their orders???

I am pretty sure the next big war will be the not hidden anymore war between the rich and the sane people of the world. Sane people/soldiers worldwide should unite and if the rich call for war, we all should go for the real enemies. That wouldn´t even need the brave people to leave their countries to fight the evil and real enemies of the world. Those enemies have no foreign flags on their uniforms(which are suits and ties), those enemies can be from any nationality, from any "race", skin color, they only never are not rich. Greed and dumb obedience(because of hoping to get richer, greed too) knows no patriotism, no "races", no skin colors, no honor, no humanity etc.

If the rich(nobody else does it) call for war, soldiers of every nation should turn their guns on them that call people/soldiers to fight and die in the senseless wars of the rich to make them richer. It must have an end that ultrarich and almost invisible people behind the curtains play chess, strategy games with the world and it´s population. Just because they are rich and bored. And for sure, greedy as hell!!!

That is the only enemy that needs to be wiped out!!!

originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

LMAO Gorbachev has been talking about the coming world war for years now.

It is almost as if he would be wishing for it to happen.

Talking about the events that can lead up to a war is also a way to diffuse saber-rattling if the feuding parties can be reasoned with to negotiate. This is half the reason why the United States has acted a mediator in the Middle East.

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: hiddenNZ
a reply to: FamCore

We get on real good with China thanks to our "I think I'll retire and pass the pot" prime minister here in nz,we are basically the real south sea Chinese island,so as you said "if it happens it happens" we should be OK. Move to nz

And learn to speak Chinese because that SOB sold the economy to them too.

Nothing makes me angrier than thinking about what Keys did to my home country, seeing my brothers and sister struggle with insane mortgages because the Chinese elite think it's okay to just fly in and book a real estate agent for the day and buy every home they are shown. (It was happening before I left in 2006 and only got worse)

NZ should be a precautionary tale for the rest of the world, but nobody wants to listen.

Yeah I feel for you
Australia has the same problem, foreigners coming from all around, immigrating and buying property
We need a trump as well, specially for the sheep shaggers from across the ditch

I'll ignore your anti-kiwi bias lol.

But..... Our two nations need to band together before it is too late an stand together against the economic takeover that China is trying to stage. We are the only western nations in this corner of the world, and it looks like the USA aint gonna be any help for the next 4 - 8 years.

Now the UK at ditched the EU we can give more help....hopefully...

Nuclear war was valid when countrys only had one or two small bombs.

Now so many have so many its not so much war, its a system of a bitter failure to win a war 'properly'.

Nuclear war now is like a kid that is losing at monopoly who flips the board so no one can play (or more importantly to the kid, no one wins)

a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

The OP is a nice condensation of current events. It is safe to assume that the world has been at war since the fall of the Soviet Union. Muslim fundamentalists interpreted that as divine punishment for its Afghan adventure, and turned their sights to America. Meanwhile, after a brief internal struggle, Russia began to regroup and assert itself on the global stage, nibbling away at former territory and renewing ties with client states. China has a distinct image of itself in terms of culture and territory, and its economic success has allowed it to expand into spaces that it believes belong to it. They are also attempting to find client states in areas neglected by the Western powers.

The United States has foolishly intervened in the Muslim world and turned its back on its European allies. As if this were not bad enough, we now have a mentally ill President who is pushing the United States into a trade war with our third largest trade partner.

Alliances are shifting as well. Turkey and Russia are moving closer together, which means Turkey's membership in NATO is at risk, and Russia and Iran may soon part ways.

Interesting times.

a reply to: markosity1973

The people are mostly ok but then I would have to watch rugby and follow an average cricket team.
Bring Hadlee out of retirement
Been over there once, nice, It's cold, very cold and some of the names of towns, wakapapa, it's not pronounced wakapapa either.
I will wait till you get an AFL team

I imagine China are just securing some resources, mostly food, send in their people and vote a new regime...

originally posted by: 2Faced

originally posted by: imitator
Nostradamus:

Century I: 40

The false orange trumpet concealing madness
will cause Byzantium to change its laws.
From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants
the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards.

Century I: 57

The orange trumpet shakes with great discord.
An agreement broken: lifting the face to heaven:
the bloody mouth will swim with blood;
the face anointed with milk and honey lies on the ground.

Century III: 50

The republic of the great city
Will not want to consent to the great severity:
King summoned the orange trumpet to go out,
The ladder at the wall, the city will repent.

Century X: 76

The great Senate will ordain the triumph
For one who afterwards will be vanquished, driven out:
At the sound of the orange trumpet of his adherents there will be
Put up for sale their possessions, enemies expelled.

Would you like to share what your interpretation is?
I have always been very interrested in Nostradamus quatrains and what they (could) predict.

Most of the Nostradamus quatrains were burned when Nazi Germany occupied France. The Nazis made up most of the new ones back in W W 2. It's almost impossible to know which one's are original and which are the Nazis.

originally posted by: Violater1

originally posted by: 2Faced

originally posted by: imitator
Nostradamus:

Century I: 40

The false orange trumpet concealing madness
will cause Byzantium to change its laws.
From Egypt there will go forth a man who wants
the edict withdrawn, changing money and standards.

Century I: 57

The orange trumpet shakes with great discord.
An agreement broken: lifting the face to heaven:
the bloody mouth will swim with blood;
the face anointed with milk and honey lies on the ground.

Century III: 50

The republic of the great city
Will not want to consent to the great severity:
King summoned the orange trumpet to go out,
The ladder at the wall, the city will repent.

Century X: 76

The great Senate will ordain the triumph
For one who afterwards will be vanquished, driven out:
At the sound of the orange trumpet of his adherents there will be
Put up for sale their possessions, enemies expelled.

Would you like to share what your interpretation is?
I have always been very interrested in Nostradamus quatrains and what they (could) predict.

Most of the Nostradamus quatrains were burned when Nazi Germany occupied France. The Nazis made up most of the new ones back in W W 2. It's almost impossible to know which one's are original and which are the Nazis.

Simply find an edition that was printed in the Nineteenth Century.

a reply to: Violater1

Good to know. Now with these prophecies they just wing it with whichever way the wind blows. Or how they're feeling from decade to decade. The sheeple... the pain... my head hurts.

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

There undoubtably is some kind of war going on in the Antarctica. We're just can't see it because we're not special enough. Google Earth Sucks.

a reply to: FamCore

yes the people at the top get there because they lack empathy, giving an order that gets innocents killed is nothing to them, its because they are all psychopaths......... its a prerequisite of a person in Power.

Psychopathy check list revised (PCLR) Hare 1991
glib and superficial charm
grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
need for stimulation
pathological lying
cunning and manipulativeness
lack of remorse or guilt
shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
callousness and lack of empathy
parasitic lifestyle
poor behavioral controls
sexual promiscuity
early behavior problems
lack of realistic long-term goals
impulsivity
irresponsibility
failure to accept responsibility for own actions
many short-term marital relationships
juvenile delinquency
revocation of conditional release
criminal versatility


Read more: www.minddisorders.com...

you look at that checklist and realise they are all nutters, the cunning and manipulating makes it look as if they want to do the best for the people when they really want the opposite, they want to see us suffer, and fear so they can control and mentally abuse us, and thats just the sh!t thats discernable through their actions, God knows what they do in secret...

a reply to: markosity1973

It's very close to the situation here..it has quieted down a bit but still a huge housing shortage. And simular #s of empty houses. 1 in 10 condo's sit empty as well. Another thing the city did was introduce an empty home tax of 1%

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense
Gorbachev and East European leaders will try to develop the present détente into close economic, military, political, cultural and scientific cooperation to create “one Europe” without NATO and the Warsaw Pact.

I am not sure I understand the full implications of the essay. What I take away from Anatoliy's analysis though is that Russia has plans to covertly erode the Western world's ideological foundations by slowly integrating with democratic nation states and pushing a socialistic agenda. That sounds plausible enough. It might also explain McCarthy's paranoia in the 1940s and 1950s. The younger generations in North and South America are becoming more anti-capitalistic.

A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows - The Washington Post

I could see how this could be used by a foreign government to undermine the western world's ability to function from within as a single cohesive unit with a clear objective.

The CIA seemed to take Anatoliy fairly serious according to declassified SECRET documents published in 2011 that called Golitsyn's material the "Master Plan."

nsarchive.gwu.edu...

Who would have thought the CIA was into conspiracy theories?

Learn something new every day.

a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

a reply to: JesusXst

There undoubtably is some kind of war going on in the Antarctica.

And what is the source for this peculiar claim? Incidentally, there are numerous webcams showing the activities at the various stations there. I have an acquaintance who "summers" there every year to to do astronomy. He has never mentioned a war there. (On the other hand, the Arctic Ocean may become a battle zone in the near future.)

• MSN Jan 28th 2017 article titled: China military official says war with US under Donald Trump 'becoming practical reality'

War with the US under Donald Trump is “not just a slogan” and becoming a “practical reality”, a senior Chinese military official has said.

The remarks were published on the People’s Liberation Army website, apparently in response to the aggressive rhetoric towards China from America's new administration.

They communicated a view from inside the Central Military Commission, which has overall authority of China’s armed forces.

Quoted in the South China Morning Post, the official from the Commission’s Defence Mobilisation Department wrote: “A war ‘within the president’s term’ or ‘war breaking out tonight’ are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality.”

The official also called for military deployments in the tense South and East China Seas and for a missile defence system to guard the Korean peninsula, another regional hotspot, the Post reported.

The US should also reconsider its strategy in the Asia-Pacific region, the official wrote.

Mr Trump and members of his administration have consistently voiced a hard line against China. Mr Trump has branded the country a “currency manipulator” and accusing the country of underhand trading and economic tactics.

But more significantly in security terms, Mr Trump has also ignored the US’s longstanding ‘One China’ policy, publicly engaging with the President of Taiwan, Tsai Ing-wen, in a move that was hugely antagonising for Beijing.

China strongly regards Taiwan as part of its territory and the US has tacitly respected this for decades, but Mr Trump signalled a departure from this policy.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has also advocated a US naval blockade of artificial Chinese islands in the South China Sea – which Beijing could interpret as an act of war.

Further suggestions China is preparing for conflict emerged this week, with unconfirmed reports the military has moved long range missiles closer to the north east border in Heilongjiang province -- within firing range of the US.

Chinese social media has carried pictures claiming to show the Dongfeng-41 advanced intercontinental ballistic missile system near the Russian border.

Provocative state-run tabloid The Global Times suggested the People’s Liberation Army could have leaked the photos on social media as a warning to Mr Trump.

Not looking good.

originally posted by: JesusXst
a reply to: Violater1

Good to know. Now with these prophecies they just wing it with whichever way the wind blows. Or how they're feeling from decade to decade. The sheeple... the pain... my head hurts.

Or, as has been mentioned, you could simply read a 19th century version. So, no, the prophecies aren't interpreted based on "whichever way the wind blows".

And how about some evidence of "there undoubtedly [sic] is some kind of war going on in the Antarctica"? Sounds interesting, also sounds bunk.

a reply to: ThingsThatDontMakeSense

Good job.

...Glad Trump stopped sniffing Putin's butt. Sure looked like he wanted a buddy with him to go after China.

originally posted by: TheMalefactor

originally posted by: ThingsThatDontMakeSense
Gorbachev and East European leaders will try to develop the present détente into close economic, military, political, cultural and scientific cooperation to create “one Europe” without NATO and the Warsaw Pact.

I am not sure I understand the full implications of the essay. What I take away from Anatoliy's analysis though is that Russia has plans to covertly erode the Western world's ideological foundations by slowly integrating with democratic nation states and pushing a socialistic agenda. That sounds plausible enough. It might also explain McCarthy's paranoia in the 1940s and 1950s. The younger generations in North and South America are becoming more anti-capitalistic.

A majority of millennials now reject capitalism, poll shows - The Washington Post

I could see how this could be used by a foreign government to undermine the western world's ability to function from within as a single cohesive unit with a clear objective.

That is the basic gist of it. Other defectors over the past several decades have mutually corroborated Anatoliy Golitsyn's narrative, which is at least in part why the CIA has taken it so seriously. You might be interested to listen to an interview that was done with PGU KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov.

I'd like to note that Trump's advisor Stephen Bannon privately confided to Ronald Radosh that he considered himself a Leninist. If that doesn't make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end, I don't think anything will.