Will the europeans ever be powerful?

Originally posted by Ross Cross

Originally posted by benedict arnold
i dont think they ever will. THeir days are over. The british ditched india 60 years ago. The french are busy eating crepes and snails and the germans cant get over sauerkraut. Ok seriously they just cant get project any power nowadays. India could whip the French.

But do you think the europeans will ever have an important part to play in world affairs in the next 100 years. I got nothing to do so please respond.

Of course they have a part to play, a part as much as anyone else. I don't know on what terms you're implying they should be competing on..economic, military etc. I don't value a country or continent by virtue of how many people it's tanks can kill.

Europe is culturally and historically diverse continent..I happen to think that is an asset. Haven't ever been to the wonderful countries situated near the meidteraniun. or the mountainous areas? They're incredible. So geographically Europe is worthy of mention. However whether Europe can actually sustain immigration levels and social cohesion, remains to be seen. There is a diverse range of opinions on this issue.

I admire the way some European countries have maintained their culture and their independence, and I think that in a globalised marketplace loosing these things would be a very sad loss indeed.

[edit on 21-2-2007 by Ross Cross]

love your post, each country should work together more in Europe, but maintain their own cultures. Europe is a beautiful place, huge player in the trading world, and war with the US will prolly never happen.

This thread is useless, of course Europe is a huge player in world events. US is too, there can't only be one big dog. US is the Rottweiler (big, tough dog) and the EU is the Pitbull (smaller, but can still bite you in the @ss). Does it really matter which one is more powerful, we are the closest allies we have. US and EU will never become enemies in the near future, that can change -not anytime soon- though.


The countries of the EU are busy making their education systems better, rebuilding their historical monuments, and focusing on trade. Earlier someone mentioned that 17 of the worlds top 20 colleges are in the US. That may be, but the country with teh highest average IQ is India. The Japanese and European countries are the ones next. Germany has the highest average IQ in europe and Poland is #2, followed by French, Brits, and Swiss. (PLEASE DON'T START A HUGE DEBATE ON THIS, IT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED BUT LAST I CHECKED IT WAS THIS WAY, IF YOU WANT TO CORRECT ME JUST U2U ME, LET'S NOT MAKE THIS THREAD ANY WORSE - I APPRECIATE BEING CORRECTED, NOTHING WRONG WITH LEARNING). The EU is the world's biggest trade powerhouse.

US can fight her wars, let her. It makes me sick that my Polish brethren are fighting in Iraw -maybe they are battle testing their new troops, but its a waste of time. Like the general of the Polish troops said : "Polish soldiers die for the freedom of other countries, but die only for Poland." - Then WTF are we in Iraq.

I understand many people feel obliged to defend their countries when someone criticizes them. THATS GREAT! There's nothing wrong with patriotism. But arguing about which country would win a war is useless. You might be defending your country now, but look at the situatuion in the US. After 9-11 people were furious and wanted to attack the terrorists, and now they want out. Opinions change. I tell you a war between to powerhouses like the US and EU would be far worse than the conflict in the middle east.

I am a Polish person living the US, i long for my home country but have no problem living in the US. I see no reason why the US and EU should war or have the slightest conflict.


I am open to criticism, just send me some U2Us and i'll be happy to answer any questions or reply to any opinions.


-Artur

Well this thread as been invaded by the yanks, saying WE ARE THE BEST, WE WILL ALWAYS BE THE BEST… USA USA USA, *trumps*

America as dominated (if you want to call it that) for what, 60 years? A DOT IN HUMAN HISTORY and cracks are already appearing….Europe as moved on we don't care about war and invasion, Europe was doing that 100 years ago - it was only 60 years ago britain had 1000 warships sailing the seas. but its now the 21st century, time to move on - instead of judging humans by skin colour (60's/70's America)/religion/beliefs and political gain, lets look at the stars and say *beam me up scotty*

if America is a world leader, BE A WORLD LEADER and not a school bully, show the world something different than what the rest of the human race and nations have done through-out history ^INVADE FOR DOMESTIC GAIN^….I say lets get rid of our primate monkey animal instincts (alpha male/obsessed on territory/loves ganging up beating up on the weakest) -

if America really wants to be heroes end poverty in Africa man, be a world leader on climate change (something America isn't bothered about) don't spend BILLIONS removing a 74 year old man from power in the 3rd world country who only can throw sticks and stones compared to the stealth bombers America as, what as it achieved except made another mockery and another Vietnam of your nation?

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oh and just for arguements sake about our muslim problem...

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UK population 61 million - 1.8 million muslims

US population 300 million - 8 million muslims (work out the averages)
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+ on the other side you have all the south american looneys coming over in boat-loads to the US with terrorist gang groups like the MS-13 recruiting even school kids

so don't talk about other nations when your society is less than perfect.

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Oddly, in the past several posts I only note a single, rather moderate American who utilizes sources to debate an on-topic subject.
So, much as I said earlier to Sephiroth, let us keep our bigotry and bias out of the discussion. There has been little chest-thumping, and arguably, the most-ignorant of it done on the anti-United States side, in a topic where their shouldn't be 'anti-U.S.' to begin with.

I'm simply going to detail what is wrong with this post. This is not an active debate. Much like Sephiroth's post, it's empty, aggressive, off-topic words, and for the sake of replying beyond the basic necessity of, 'this post is worthless in all ways', as I has been complained about, I will dissect it:

Your next paragraph furthers anti-American rhetoric -- And this is simply run-on commentary as I read it. You are aware that Europe has been involved in conflict nearly as often, and recently as the United States in recent decades? They simply don't make 'the news', much as you rarely hear about the current warfare in Africa. It is the media system; hottest celebrity receives greatest news-coverage. Racial integration is still struggling in some regions of Europe, and has much greater problems with its growing Muslim population.

America does lead in many ways: Foreign aid, charity, medical research, etc. So to say we merely initiate military conflict is hollow. Also, if combating communism through proxy wars is your idea of domestic gain, than I am rather perplexed by your outlook on the world. You can be a conspiracy-mongerer and discuss oil and Iraq, though even if that were an appropriate, legitimate example, it's only a single conflict.

Lastly -- We provide the most aid to Africa. Of any nation, or organization of nations. [For the sake of including the E.U.]
Further, we lead, technologically, green-power, and are a close leader in the percent of its application in new hardware and infrastructure.


Now, if we can kindy return to the subject at-hand, I would be simply enthralled.

Originally posted by themaster1

Originally posted by Daedalus3
And how would you do that?
France does not have the reachness to sustain a bombing campaign over India right from the French mainland.

At the moment, yeah probably, that's a fact.
If you mean a big campaign...yeah

Well i've got nothing against India personally i was answerin' to this dood "benict"...or something who brought India vs France in the subject .
I know India is a land of peacemen.

Here's an example:

3rd joint AF exercise:

www.outlookindia.com...

Nous sommes amies..

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posted by steve_0
show the world something different than what the rest of the human race and nations have done through-out history

the internet

liberal democracy and individual rights

moon landing

and on and on and on....

oh yeah and breaking the iron grip of the british empire on our country by defeating them in war...


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Well said st3ve_o. I have already said the Yanks had hijacked this thread and turned in into a USA v The World thread........ but WTF.

Anything they disagree with, they swamp until posters just give up on their pathetic rhetoric anf go somewhere else.

The problem is, as I see it, that America has so little history to look back on. As a country, measured against the rest of the world, America is only a toddler and a very badly behaved toddler at that.

Yes they have made a considerable contribution to the Columbian and Bolivian economies with their consumption of drugs, but on the other hand, they are ready to go to war to secure oil supplies at the drop of a hat - and nobody seems to give a toss.

Their one flagship NASA, leaks more money than the funding of black ops throughout the world.

About NASA, let's not forget that they would not be where they are today, if the US had not granted immunity for warcrimes against von Braun and the rest of the Nazi scientists.

But hey. Let's not take the mickey out of the Yanks too much. After all, they won the 1st and 2nd World War - all by themselves, they beat the Chinese in Korea - all on their own and, although they killed over 2 million Vietnamese, they lost the Viet Nam war.

BUT, notwithstanding the Viet Nam War, surely just a blip in their military history, the Yanks have, to date, managed to secure the Balklands and probably did so on their own, supported Saddam Hussein against Iran in a 10 year war - and won, and then finally fought two wars against their protege and won.

Oh I almost forgot that Yanks love little puppydogs. Wherever they go, we trot along with them, always maerrily by their sides, looking lovingly up at our master.

Originally posted by ape

the internet

(british invention actually www.computing.co.uk... )

Originally posted by ape
liberal democracy and individual rights

funnily enough america as less rights than other western nations....anyone spying on your phone convos recently? we have free education/nhs/greater benefits for the unemployed...if we don't like the nhs we have the option of paying private, if we don't like a public college we can pay and go to a private college, if i get unemployed tomorrow i will be able to sleep at night knowing i'll be getting some sort of income in until i find work again with the rent payed also.

Hence more freedoms, if you mean freedom by owning a gun you can keep them thanks

Originally posted by ape
moon landing

what you mean that staged thing in the 60's to get one over the USSR?

Originally posted by ape
oh yeah and breaking the iron grip of the british empire on our country by defeating them in war...

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@ Iblis

i'm not going to reply to all your post, because again your trying to make out your the innocent party in all this, but again you've just made another post showing how GREAT the mighty USA is.

did you know the US does little for overseas nations, its part of what your nation was founded on in your constitution by your forefathers... hence why america does little for *cough* CHARITY and good causes as the nation they are helping are expected to pay back what the United States does for them.

infact donations from the american public far outshines the donations from your government, even your government recently wanted to charge ITS OWN CITZIENS fees for escorting them out of Lebanon

[edit on 22-2-2007 by st3ve_o]

hmm get a clue steve, the internet and the world wide web are 2 different things, CERN launched the first web program with html and http

The Internet and the World Wide Web are not synonymous: the Internet is a collection of interconnected computer networks, linked by copper wires, fiber-optic cables, wireless connections, etc.; the Web is a collection of interconnected documents and other resources, linked by hyperlinks and URLs. The World Wide Web is accessible via the Internet, as are many other services including e-mail, file sharing, and others described below.

here is some accurate history of the internet

The USSR's launch of Sputnik spurred the United States to create the Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA, later known as the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or DARPA) in February 1958 to regain a technological lead. ARPA created the Information Processing Technology Office (IPTO) to further the research of the Semi Automatic Ground Environment (SAGE) program, which had networked country-wide radar systems together for the first time. J. C. R. Licklider was selected to head the IPTO, and saw universal networking as a potential unifying human revolution.

In 1950, Licklider moved from the Psycho-Acoustic Laboratory at harvard to MIT where he served on a committee that established MIT Lincoln Laboratory. He worked on the SAGE project. In 1957 he became a Vice President at BBN, where he bought the first production PDP-1 computer and conducted the first public demonstration of time-sharing.

Licklider recruited Lawrence Roberts to head a project to implement a network, and Roberts based the technology on the work of Paul Baran who had written an exhaustive study for the U.S. Air Force that recommended packet switching (as opposed to Circuit switching) to make a network highly robust and survivable. After much work, the first node went live at UCLA on October 29, 1969 on what would be called the ARPANET, one of the "eve" networks of today's Internet. Following on from this, the British Post Office, Western Union International and Tymnet collaborated to create the first international packet switched network, referred to as the International Packet Switched Service (IPSS), in 1978. This network grew from Europe and the US to cover Canada, Hong Kong and Australia by 1981.

The first TCP/IP wide area network was operational by 1 January 1983, when the United States' National Science Foundation (NSF) constructed a university network backbone that would later become the NSFNet. (This date is held by some to be technically that of the birth of the Internet.) It was then followed by the opening of the network to commercial interests in 1985. Important, separate networks that offered gateways into, then later merged with, the NSFNet include Usenet, BITNET and the various commercial and educational X.25 Compuserve and JANET. Telenet (later called Sprintnet), was a large privately-funded national computer network with free dialup access in cities throughout the U.S. that had been in operation since the 1970s. This network eventually merged with the others in the 1990s as the TCP/IP protocol became increasingly popular. The ability of TCP/IP to work over these pre-existing communication networks, especially the international X.25 IPSS network, allowed for a great ease of growth. Use of the term "Internet" to describe a single global TCP/IP network originated around this time.

HAHA the internet and world wide web a UK product? what next? you landed on mars?

my sources... i started out basic with wikipedia... I can go further..

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wikipedia right?, you mean this source:-

en.wikipedia.org... or this en.wikipedia.org...

dumbo.

ps:- ive noticed how you've now edited all your post to make out the WWW and the internet are 2 different things.

to be perfectly honest i couldn't give a rats-ass who invented it anyway

[edit on 22-2-2007 by st3ve_o]

wow, I got warned by the moderator for no reason and got deducted when the americans have been attacked and insulted here by the brits for speaking the truth about jihad in their country.. this is insane talk about a blatant abuse of power by the staff. masqa if you're going to warn me I expect a warning for everyone that has taken shots at one another on this thread in recent days.

here is my link

en.wikipedia.org...

now I refuse to advocate for warnings or bans but I would like to ask the mods to please be fair and balanced as I have not gotten more out of line in this thread than the next man and to single me out is pure bias ( prolly because i'm an american )


[edit on 22-2-2007 by ape]

Originally posted by ape
wow, I got warned by the moderator for no reason and got deducted when I have been attacked and insulted here by the brits for speaking the truth about jihad in their country.. this is insane talk about a blatant abuse of power by the staff. masqa if you're going to warn me I expect a warning for everyone that has taken shots at one another on this thread in recent days.

here is my link

en.wikipedia.org...

now I refuse to advocate for warnings or bans but I would like to ask the mods to please be fair and balanced as I have not gotten more out of line in this thread than the next man and to single me out is pure bias ( prolly because i'm an american)

[edit on 22-2-2007 by ape]

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jihad in our country, are you for real or what?

oh and here comes the anti-american tears again

funnily enough america as less rights than other western nations....anyone spying on your phone convos recently

hmm is this a joke? as an american i do not feel that any of my rights have been violated.. infact i'm blessed to have my rights. funny because frmo what I can recall england has cameras watching everyones every move.

I did not know 'funnily' was a word.

Originally posted by ape
hmm is this a joke? as an american i do not feel that any of my rights have been violated.. infact i'm blessed to have my rights. funny because frmo what I can recall england has cameras watching everyones every move.

I did not know 'funnily' was a word.

what so in america you don't have cctv cameras? and no in england we don't have the government surveilling us in the privacy of our own homes.

oh and 'funnily' is a word but if you want to go on about spelling, see that word i highlighted above? The correct spelling is 'FROM'.

[edit on 22-2-2007 by st3ve_o]

stevo

Your the one getting off topic more so then anyone else on here.
The interent was a product of the coldwar. It was in large part response the launch of the Soviet Union’s first satellite in 1957. The thought of Sputnik I and other Communist craft, hovering over US airspace was enough to alarm President Eisenhower to plough funds into developing the US’s technical capability, so it was made in america for military purposes back when the cold war was still raging. Al Gore was one of the few ppl who fought to make the internet more public accessible. The internet is an american product...we invented, we spent the $$$ to get it up and running, and we are still spending the $$$ to maintain it to date. Not the UK or the EU..So, there for we own its rights. Explain to me why the EU would like to have more control over an american product such as the internet? Surely if they invented such a system they would have more/equal control no?! But in your case its "facts be damned" right..

www.opinionjournal.com...

To his credit, the U.S. State Department's David Gross bristled back: "We will not agree to the U.N. taking over management of the Internet." That stands to reason. The Internet was developed in the U.S. (as are upgrades like Internet 2) and is not a collective "global resource." It is an evolving technology, largely privately owned and operated, and it should stay that way.

www.brusselsjournal.com...
www.breitbart.com...

As for ape getting the warning...what the hell? Ive read what hes wrote and it doesnt merit a 'warning'. This sites moderating is usually better than that...

As for the phone tappings. Stevo, Im going to jump right out on a limb here and say you've never been to see the continental US. You choose to ignore the reason behind the phone wire tappings. As I've said before, If the government wants to listen to my boring phone conversations so that it may protect my homeland then so be it. You dont even know theyre there. As long as they dont muck with my conversations, (censor what I can and cant say) then Im fine with it. Its a small price to pay given the circumstances surrounding the situation. (the crazy ass world we live in today)

Also, I would like to point out that I was responding to the anti americans who were gracing this thread with their inferiority complex. I wasnt the one who "stepped out of bounds", and I did keep it fairly civil, short, sweet and to the point with my comments. As for americans, or the yanks, flooding this thread...Have you not see what your own have said and done? Is this a Euros only thread? I believe the OP was an AMERICAN asking a very simple question. I think we americans, have the right as does any person, to respond to whatever, and however the hell we want! Get over it!

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OMG

do you realise as a culture you are the most anyoying on the planet? your saying i'm the one going off subject here, ive already said and i quote "I COULDN'T GIVE A RATS-ASS WHO INVENTED IT" then you come up and write an essy on the internet

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america - internet
britain - w.w.w
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niceone yeah, hows that?

and are you and monkey-boy the same person? because your both as dim as each other.

Originally posted by st3ve_o
OMG

do you realise as a culture you are the most anyoying on the planet? your saying i'm the one going off subject here, ive already said and i quote "I COULDN'T GIVE A RATS-ASS WHO INVENTED IT" then you come up and write an essy on the internet

Just living up to that golden standard... Honestly if we didnt, who else would you have to hate?

If I may make a suggestion. respect whats "OUR'S". And we wont have a problem then.

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america - internet
britain - w.w.w
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niceone yeah, hows that?

fair enough....

and are you and monkey-boy the same person? because your both as dim as each other.

Now thats odd, I was beginning to wonder if you and fritz were the same person....

Anyways, easy pal.. I dont have that much time on my hands.

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just for the fun of it though ive just spent a WHOLE 10 MINS researching about this and seems i was right, the internet WAS british invention that the americans stole off us again and FUNDED, (like the atom).

www.theregister.co.uk...

seems we both posted that at (01:56 AM) if i knew you was going to make a post i wouldn't have made my last reply

anyway later