Trump to Fund Wall by US not Mexico

a reply to: DJW001

You are confused, product prices go up/down due to supply and demand. The iPhone is built on the backs of cheap labor and Apple charges more for the phone.

According to a teardown carried out by IHS Markit, a 32GB iPhone 7 that retails for $649 costs Apple only $219.80 in components, with manufacturing adding another $5 to the price.

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That in turn allows apple to spend more on R&D as well as other product investments.

As far as Walmart goes, the old adage of "you get what you pay for" applies. If you buy cheap, it breaks cheap. Everything Walmart sells has a higher quality alternative, sometimes even available at Walmart, with a better manufacturing history per product than most "made in #countryX#" products. Beyond that, Walmart has quite a few affordable "made in USA" items and they continue to expand their home grown options Source

a reply to: AMPTAH

Your numbers were pulled out of your butt, so your calculation is wrong, but the premise is correct. There is a cost savings to am employer to use undocumented/under the table workers, especially in the construction and hospitality industry.

However, if you address the issues of government induced overhead for an employee then employers would be more inclined to hire legal workers. The payroll tax, revamping workers comp, revamping unemployment etc are all things that the government has intervened in causing the cost of having an employee go up. They did this to expand government programs, but the result was hurting legitimate job growth.

Edit: Here is just one example. Unemployment (paid for by employers through FUTA) used to be 6 months, then it was upped to 99 weeks by the US government. This quadrupled (actually more) how much an employer has to pay into unemployment per employee and how much they have to pay when a claim is filed and how it adversely effects the employer. The result is small and medium sized employers being less likely to create jobs.

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Conclusion

It should be clear from the above information that there are many factors that determine how a given UI claim will impact a particular employer. While some are more under the control of employers than others, all of them are important to understand. Each claim has the potential to affect an employer's financial bottom line, and an employer interested in controlling its labor costs will pay attention to every detail.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

what wall? there is no wall at Mexicos southern border, none at all, just some flimsy toll booths, all the "dreamers" from southern america pass unchallenged, so....

originally posted by: cavedweller88
a reply to: TruMcCarthy

What hand outs are you referring to? Illegal immagants cannot apply for public assistance.

Really? You don't understand how taxes work? Any individual that invades our country illegally immediately begins receiving benefits when they break in. You see...we pay taxes for things like roads, military, etc. An illegal walking our roads has not paid for the wear and tear of that road nor the building of that road. Therefore, they are benefiting from our tax dollars that built and maintain that road, without contributing.

Think of it as me borrowing your car without your permission, driving it around for a few days and the dropping it off and walking away. I didn't actually take your money or job...I simply used something your money and your job paid for YOU to be able to use.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

They do pay taxes, particularly sales taxes, sin taxes on alcohol and tobacco products, taxes on gasoline & utilities, property taxes, etc. States like mine have both State and county sales taxes (w/no State income tax), and those are paid on every purchase here including food. So your example is wrong.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Don't forget withholding taxes like Social Security. If they are using a false Social Security number and being paid over the table they are paying into the system without necessarily taking advantage of it!

a reply to: raymundoko

You are confused, product prices go up/down due to supply and demand.

You are the one who is confused: labor costs are an important factor in terms of supply.

a reply to: enlightenedservant

That isn't the same as paying income taxes, and only someone uneducated on government and business would think so.

a reply to: DJW001

Labor costs never effect supply or demand if the product has enough value to the consumer. The Zip Up Hoodie is a perfect example of this. You are confusing that demand is always high for cheap alternatives, hence demand for cheap labor. It's not the other way around, the cheap labor isn't driving the supply or the demand, it's a consequence of it. Most people would rather spend 100-200 bucks on a new phone every year that is total crap than have a phone that costs 700 that could easily last 5+ years. Most people would rather buy a 15 dollar hoodie that has to be thrown away every year than buy a 90 dollar hoodie that lasts 10 years. People would rather buy that 150 dollar tablet that is total crap and breaks in a year than spend 700 on an awesome tablet that would probably last 4-5 years.

If the economy was better, people would start to buy the better products that last longer. They would start to buy the products made locally etc. They would start to see the bigger picture in things because they could start to afford to see the bigger picture.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: enlightenedservant

That isn't the same as paying income taxes, and only someone uneducated on government and business would think so.

That's a straight up lie. My State has no income tax, so virtually ALL of its expenses are based on revenue from sales taxes, taxes on utilities, sin taxes, property taxes, lottery "taxes", fees for licenses, fees from judicial fines, etc. Undocumented workers/illegal immigrants have to pay all of those just like the rest of us do. And my State isn't even the only State that is like this.

The funny part about this is conservatives are the ones who always claim they want States' rights, States to be independent of the federal govt, etc. So they should be the ones who know the most about State taxes, fees, and fines, since that's the main way States pay for their policies and infrastructure.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Don't forget withholding taxes like Social Security. If they are using a false Social Security number and being paid over the table they are paying into the system without necessarily taking advantage of it!

Very true. The only reason I focus on the other taxes and fees is because they're much easier for me to prove. All I have to do to prove my point w/those is to ask someone to make a purchase here lol. Stores don't give a crap what someone's legal status is; they're going to collect the sales taxes/sin taxes/gas taxes either way.

stop all foreign aid and you will have more than enough for the wall

problem solved

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Wrong wrong wrong. Federal income tax is 90+% of taxes paid per individual even when you include local taxes.

On top of that, states who have the most undocumented immigrants have the HIGHEST state income taxes. Only Nevada is in that group as having a high amount of undocumented immigrants with no state income tax. However, they do not tax food at all and a majority of used goods are exempt. As far as property taxes go, only owners pay property taxes. You list the deep south as your location, and I believe only Florida has no sales tax.

Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming

I'm sorry you haven't educated yourself on how taxes work nationwide or even in your own state. Food is not taxed in Florida. Many used goods are also exempt: Source

It is also not documented how many undocumented families own a home in Florida, but if you think all of them own a home and pay property taxes you are sadly mistaken or just flat out off your rocker.

a reply to: raymundoko

You're so full of it. Show me your sources then. The vast majority of my State and our county govts are funded by sales taxes and the other State and local taxes like I mentioned. And yes, sales taxes are paid even on our foods, particularly at stores. I won't mention the State by name because I don't care enough about your opinion to do so, but it's not Florida.

Either way, here are the official stats on how much each State brought in through taxes and other sources of revenue. I'd suggest you actually look over it before responding with more ignorance. Because guess what? Undocumented workers have to pay them, too.

factfinder.census.gov...

And last, are you seriously claiming that undocumented workers don't have to pay sales taxes, taxes on utilities, sin taxes when they buy alcohol and tobacco products, etc? You seriously don't think they have to pay property taxes or any of the other taxes I've mentioned? What kind of fantasy world are you living in? And if you agree that they have to pay them, then what are you even responding to me for?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

Your bolded question is a straw man. No such claim was even remotely made. I'm sorry you don't know the tax laws in your own state.

I responded to you because you seem to think those taxes are a fair share. Those taxes country wide equal ~14b according to multiple sources. Federal taxes are over 3trillion...stop making stupid arguments.

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Also, either you are lying about being in the Deep South or you are lying about what state you are in. I listed the only states that don't have income tax and all of them but one exempt grocery from tax as well as many used goods including used clothing depending on the state, so either post your state and prove me wrong or eat the fact you were uninformed.

States that tax groceries (rate if not fully taxed): Alabama, Arkansas (3%), Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois (1%), Kansas, Mississippi, Missouri (1.225%), Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee (5.5%), Utah (1.75%), Virginia (1.5% + 1% local option tax), and West Virginia (5%).

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Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington, and Wyoming don't have income tax.

Notice only South Dakota has an income tax and still taxes groceries.

This is what Trump supporters think they're getting:



This is what the Mexicans will come up with next to cross it:

a reply to: raymundoko

Labor costs never effect supply or demand if the product has enough value to the consumer.

Is that why miners are all gazillionaires?

originally posted by: ROBOTNINJADRAGON
This is what Trump supporters think they're getting:

This is what the Mexicans will come up with next to cross it:

Skeet shooting illegals sounds like i t would become a sport if they tried that.

a reply to: DJW001

Do you mean mining companies or the workers?

a reply to: yuppa

I was thinking that, but I couldn't formulate the joke.