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Is there any evidence that CO2 emissions from vulcanism have increased in the past century?
Is there any indication in the isotopic composition of atmospheric CO2 which indicates that the observed increase is due to vulcanism?
Both tectonic and volcanic CO2 are magmatic and depleted in both 13C & 14C. In the absence of statistically significant isotope determinations for each volcanic province contributing to the atmosphere, this makes CO2 contributions of volcanic origin isotopically indistinguishable from those of fossil fuel consumption. It is therefore unsurprising to find that Segalstad (1998) points out that 96% of atmospheric CO2 is isotopically indistinguishable from volcanic degassing. So much for the Royal Society's unexplained "chemical analysis". If you believe that we know enough about volcanic gas compositions to distinguish them chemically from fossil fuel combustion, you have indeed been mislead. As we shall see, the number of active volcanoes is unknown, never mind a tally of gas signatures belonging to every active volcano. We have barely scratched the surface and as such, there is no magic fingerprint that can distinguish between anthropogenic and volcanogenic sources of CO2.
There is some controversy as to the isotopic fingerprinting.
www.realclimate.org...
Sequences of annual tree rings going back thousands of years have now been analyzed for their 13C/12C ratios. Because the age of each ring is precisely known** we can make a graph of the atmospheric 13C/12C ratio vs. time. What is found is at no time in the last 10,000 years are the 13C/12C ratios in the atmosphere as low as they are today. Furthermore, the 13C/12C ratios begin to decline dramatically just as the CO2 starts to increase — around 1850 AD. This is exactly what we expect if the increased CO2 is in fact due to fossil fuel burning.
In lieu of evidence for a dramatic increase in vulcanism over the past 100 years, the combustion of fossil fuels would seem to be the best candidate.
Putting that all aside, C02 levels have been used to villanize the fossil fuel industry.
Yes, indeed. That doesn't mean they have to be, until we use them up, anyway.
Fossil fuels are essential for todays society, no way around that.
Yes, indeed. That doesn't mean they have to be, until we use them up, anyway.
originally posted by: D8Tee
a reply to: Phage
Yes, indeed. That doesn't mean they have to be, until we use them up, anyway.
Raises an interesting question to which I can't seem to find an answer. If we replaced all the energy from Fossil Fuels with so called clean energy, what amount of fossil fuels would still be required to make the fertilizers, lubricants, pesticides, herbicides, detergents, paints, and artificial fibers used in clothing, asphalt and countless other items essential to our everyday life?
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: mbkennel
Not a bad idea, but crude oil is not a homogenous mixture. Oil in general is a mixture of different hydrocarbons, ranging from pentane to heavier chains, with some hydrocarbon gases mixed in. Not all molecules are suitable for all purposes. Gasoline, for example, is a mixture of lighter chains like octane; diesel fuel is heavier chains; lubricants are made from still heavier chains; and asphalt/tar is made from the heaviest components. Plastics are made from various components depending on the plastic. If we only used oil for non-combustive purposes, we would have as much fuel as we do today, just waiting to be burned.
There is at present no chemical magic wand for turning propane into dodecatane..
Box 9.2 | Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years
Figure 9.8 demonstrates that 15-year-long hiatus periods are common in both the observed and CMIP5 historical GMST time series (see also Section 2.4.3, Figure 2.20; Easterling and Wehner, 2009; Liebmann et al., 2010). However, an analysis of the full suite of CMIP5 historical simulations (augmented for the period 2006–2012 by RCP4.5 simulations, Section 9.3.2) reveals that 111 out of 114 realizations show a GMST trend over 1998–2012 that is higher than the entire HadCRUT4 trend ensemble (Box 9.2 Figure 1a; CMIP5 ensemble mean trend is 0.21ºC per decade). This difference between simulated and observed trends could be caused by some combination of (a) internal climate variability, (b) missing or incorrect radiative forcing and (c) model response error. These potential sources of the difference, which are not mutually exclusive, are assessed below, as is the cause of the observed GMST trend hiatus.