Satan's Clique Revealed

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I find it all to be a familiar fallacy that I was once guilty of myself. When I began to study actual Freemasonry instead of all of the anti-Masonic fear-mongering propaganda and unsubstantiated conspiracies, I ended up embracing the Craft that I once feared and reviled.

a reply to: Sahabi

I had no idea the level of woo when I joined Masonry, then I found ATS and to this day I still enjoy the lulz of all the Satan-believers.

a reply to: MagicCow

I consider my self a reasonably intelligent an open minded sort of guy. I am not a mason, although I have met many. But you sir are coming across as having an axe to grind with freemasonry and are using Augustus as your whetstone.

You have insulted him many times while proclaiming respect and love.

You sir,are being disingenuous and you know it.

On a positive note I learned sometime here in this thread, I had to google panenthiesm..

Sounds like a logical belief, I think if you were willing to think about it, unless you are an atheist, it covers almost every major religion devoid the dogma.


Thanks auggie I may just start referring to my self as such.

Respectfully,
~meathead

I've seen the ways of god I'll take the devil any day.

Hail Satan!

a reply to: MagicCow

William Schnoebelen is a delusional fraud. If you believe his fictional Freemasonic and Illuminati stories, I'm sure you will love his vampire testimonial. He even talks about his retractable fangs!

William Schnoebelen (Rational Wiki)

William Schnoebelen (Anti-Masonry Points of View)





Mark Cleminson is another phony out to make money through the evangelical circuit.

He claims that he joined the Illuminati simply by his father giving him an apron from a White Lodge. However, only a Grand Master can make a Mason at sight, and this still involves an Occasional Lodge and proper ceremonies. What the heck is a White Lodge anyway?

He claimed to have the abilities of clairvoyance, telekinesis, and levitation. He should have taken up a career as a stage magician, he would've given David Blaine and Chris Angel a run for their money!

He also says that when he first began to step away from his life of evil, he was confronted by fully cloaked and hooded members of the Ku Klux Klan that were wearing Freemasonic regalia. (A Klansman robe with a Masonic apron is a tacky fashion statement by the way). He went on to say that a demon manifested in the midst of the "Klan-Masons" and his soul was saved when he testified about God to these Klan-Masons and Demon.

He slipped up and said that he found his path in the church when he was researching secret societies and happened upon Christian literature. Hold the horses!!! Why would a clairvoyant, levitating, telekinetic Illuminati member of a "White Freemasonic Lodge" have any need to research secret societies?!?!?!





Roger Morneau is another classic crackpot. He never mentions Freemasonry, and only talks about seance-spiritualism and devil worship. My favorite part of his testimony is when he claims that the devil is attempting a false-flag alien invasion. That right there is a creative spin.





Do you know who Julian Assange or Edward Snowden are? They are "basically" being chased around the world for divulging secrets that were detrimental to the U.S. Government.

Take a moment and REALLY think about this. Assange and Snowden exposed a couple secrets of the United States of America, and these whistleblowers are no longer safe.

These "Illuminati whistleblowers" are supposedly exposing a fully global evil cabal,... yet, they enjoy more safety than Assange or Snowden. If the U.S. Government has been attempting to rein-in Assange and Snowden, wouldn't you expect that the "Illuminati whistleblowers" would be hunted with even more impunity and ruthlessness?

It's all a charade to win money from book sales and talks.

Are you purposely trying to waste everyone's time?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I enjoy my woo only as a side desert to truth. Truth is fulfilling, but a morsel of woo can be so darn tantalizing!

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Are you a 33rd degree mason? Have you seen any indication of a secret society within the freemason fraternity?

You're obviously a smart guy but I would think anything you say regarding freemasons is null and void as you take oaths to protect its secrets right?

Not attacking at all just seems like you would not tell the truth or divulge any secrets.

There is a huge chasm separating "secret" from "lie". Truth is a foundational quality promoted within the Craft. A Freemason would not lie about a thing, simply, not divulge it.

a reply to: Crunky

Chunky threads are to kewl.

originally posted by: SuicideKing33
You're obviously a smart guy but I would think anything you say regarding freemasons is null and void as you take oaths to protect its secrets right?

I took an oath not to tell you five secret passwords and show you five secret handshakes, everything else is not secret and if you really wanted to find out about them you can learn it with 5 minutes on Google.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I thought you would go that route...

Nothing on the occult rituals? Building your self as Solomon did his temple? A secret society inside the fraternity?

You just reaffirmed the notion you, or any mason, are not going to be forthcoming about masonry.

Which is fine. But people shouldn't take your word for gospel when you discredit their inquiries because you're a mason. You are obviously not going to inform anyone on anything that would betray your brotherhood.

originally posted by: SuicideKing33
Nothing on the occult rituals?

What do you want to know?

Building your self as Solomon did his temple?

You are not building yourself as Solomon's Temple, you are emulating Hiram Abiff, the Chief Architect who built Solomon's Temple.

A secret society inside the fraternity?

Someone would have heard of it by now if there was one.

You just reaffirmed the notion you, or any mason, are not going to be forthcoming about masonry.

Whatever you say dude, you, like the other people posting, already have your mind made up. I have no desire to change it, you can live in your echo chamber and be happy.

You are obviously not going to inform anyone on anything that would betray your brotherhood.

Except for the fact that there is nothing to betray.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The only thing my mind is made up about is freemasons having a wide network of very powerful/influential people. All the presidents except JFK and Lincoln I believe? Wonder if Trump is?

Symbols are powerful, ritual is powerful. I'm not saying freemasonry is the devil or anything or that it's inherently evil. But of course this power could be used for such.

I disagree about "if there was (a secret society) people would have found out by now" Apparently there are many degrees past the 33rd which I'm sure many are unaware.

Wasn't Mozart tortured to death for releasing certain flute melodies to the masses? (I forget the exact name of the score)

I'm not trying to paint all masons as Satanist wannabe global controllers, but there seems to be a common thread with world leaders/power brokers. If it's not masonry it's skull and bones, scroll and key etc. Some kind of esoteric element is very real to these guys.

originally posted by: SuicideKing33
The only thing my mind is made up about is freemasons having a wide network of very powerful/influential people. All the presidents except JFK and Lincoln I believe? Wonder if Trump is?

The last President that was a Mason was Gerald Ford and Kennedy was in his own secret society who paid him a couple visits at the White House.

Symbols are powerful, ritual is powerful. I'm not saying freemasonry is the devil or anything or that it's inherently evil. But of course this power could be used for such.

Explain to me how a symbol can be used for evil or power. Be detailed.

I disagree about "if there was (a secret society) people would have found out by now" Apparently there are many degrees past the 33rd which I'm sure many are unaware.

There are? How do you know but us Masons do not? Do you realize that the 33rd is in the Scottish Rite which most Masons do not join and is therefore irrelevant to the ones who do not?

Wasn't Mozart tortured to death for releasing certain flute melodies to the masses? (I forget the exact name of the score)

Where did you get that story from?

I'm not trying to paint all masons as Satanist wannabe global controllers, but there seems to be a common thread with world leaders/power brokers. If it's not masonry it's skull and bones, scroll and key etc. Some kind of esoteric element is very real to these guys.

You seem to be lumping quite a few groups and conspiracies together into one sloppy mess. There is no coherence to this methodology.

Well.. crap. Every time I went scuba diving, and I thought I was telling my dive buddy I was OK.. turns out I was proclaiming my allegiance to a very sinister source.

Dang.

P.S. Turns out from the looks of it, no one can use any sort of hand signal that won't be interpreted as allegiance to the devil. Now.. don't you think that is utterly stupid and ridiculous OP? So.. no one can use any sort of hand symbol / sign, lest it be construed as devil worship? Including the pretty much worldwide symbol for OK?

originally posted by: fleabit
Well.. crap. Every time I went scuba diving, and I thought I was telling my dive buddy I was OK.. turns out I was proclaiming my allegiance to a very sinister source.

Dang.

Imagine if all the Satan-believers saw the hand signs we use underwater to communicate, they would think we worship Satanic sharks.

a reply to: underfire

Actually they see Satan as a group-think entity. They claim that it is their job to produce as much negativity as possible. That without negativity, there would be no positivity. Kind of like needing the night to differentiate between the days. Also, you are incorrect about worshipping. Any Luciferian...not Satanist-Luciferian will tell you it isn't about worshipping Satan. It's about ego, hedonism and the procurement of a better self which is in sharp contrast to most of the major religions. It's okay, though. They are often misunderstood.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The coherence is secret societies run the world...not just freemasons (which according to you there is absolutely no chance of being co-opted).

I shouldn't have to explain the power of symbols to a high level mason. Heard of sigil magik I'm sure? Can be used for good or evil. It's the intent that counts. It helps things manifest.

"The Magic Flute" was Mozarts alleged transgression. Might have been an ATS thread...thought it was interesting.

And maybe just maybe you are not on the level of these billionaire occultists. You may very well be honing your craft with the utmost integrity. It goes beyond that, freemasonry is not the end all but just a small piece.

originally posted by: SuicideKing33
The coherence is secret societies run the world...not just freemasons (which according to you there is absolutely no chance of being co-opted).

Nope, there is zero chance of it being systemically co-opted. There is no pathway for this since we change leadership every year via direct democracy. Which means everyone is in on it or it is not happening.

I shouldn't have to explain the power of symbols to a high level mason.

Yeah, you should, especially when you think they have effects on people who pay them no heed.

"The Magic Flute" was Mozarts alleged transgression. Might have been an ATS thread...thought it was interesting.

He died at home with his wife and sister-in-law present.

And maybe just maybe you are not on the level of these billionaire occultists.

If I am not then neither are you which means you know even less than I do. See how that works?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Hey if you say so bud.

You like to make light of things and act like you are the be all end all of Masonic knowledge...that's cool I have no intent to change your mind.

At least I'm smart enough to realize there is a lot that's not known.