Let's Face It We Were ALL Duped

a reply to: anonentity

It was a different world before the 9/11 atrocity.

The only duped were the die hard patriots, your government lies to you all the time.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I read recently that gold content contributors are especially targeted by paid trolls. Have you found this to be true?

I like the idea of a rogue Trump going all truthy.

Sigh...come on, what world are you living in where a massive jet filled to the brim with fuel cant take down a skyscraper? Steel needs only to hit about 800 degrees in order to lose over 60% of its structural strength. No matter how many times you repeat "it was designed to handle airplanes" it was not designed to handle modern-day 757 jetliners crashing into it . As far as Tower 7 goes I really do not know how or why it fell down but I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that it had something to do with the two tallest buildings in NYC collapsing next it....

I guess i am being a little too snarky here, so i will get to the meat of my "gripe."



Why can't i believe that both the OS and conspiracy are true?

I mean does the conspiracy really need to be more complex than " our government was warned but they chose to ignore it?"

I guess it's hard for me to buy into most of these considering that many of my family members were some of the First Responders there at the World Trade Center.

Yes, there are in fact many suspicious circumstances surrounding 911 as others have pointed out.

It was suspicious as hell when they ( FBI i believe, not sure TBH) debriefed my uncle, and my mom had immediately recognized it from her days as an ombudsman with the US Navy

So for me personally it really isn't a stretch to think that our government had a hand in it....but bombs, no planes.... that just seems silly and needlessly complex... and I am not often one to invoke Occam's razor.

Just My 2 cents.

a reply to: DeathShield

It's all about average particle size of debris on the Fresh Kills landfill. From average particle size a rough estimate of energy input can be calculated. The answer is in the average particle size of the concrete. That's why the fakes concentrate on the steel.

pnac, mid 1990's- (cheney, wolfowitz, pearl, rumsfield etc....) we need to have a foot hold in the middle east, topple saddam and gain control of iraq's oil fields. the only way we can get this done is and to have the american people behind this plan is to have another pearl harbor style event happen.
six months into the bush administration, funny we had just such an event.

a reply to: blackthorne

Timing, timing, timing.

originally posted by: JesusXst
a reply to: searcherfortruth

I think when the Truth comes out, there's gonna be a lot of rats running for cover over it.

The truth will never come out. Just like JFK. A narrative has been told and we're supposed to believe it, but it is highly suspect. It's been 53 years and we are no closer to the truth on that one. It will be the same for 911

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: JesusXst
a reply to: searcherfortruth

I think when the Truth comes out, there's gonna be a lot of rats running for cover over it.

The truth will never come out. Just like JFK. A narrative has been told and we're supposed to believe it, but it is highly suspect. It's been 53 years and we are no closer to the truth on that one. It will be the same for 911

I completely agree Rezlooper.
I do hope because of the scale and documentation of
9/11 it may be a cat that's impossible to keep in a bag, but time will tell.
I'm amazed that few put together that science is on the side of those who question the Official Story.
OS believers want facts?
There are many and they are demonstrable (buildings dropping at free fall speeds aircraft operating WAY above their structural abilities, no jet fuel contamination on the ground in Shanksville or aircraft for that matter etc etc etc .
But these scientific facts miraculously stop existing at the door of Universities and the MSM.

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
(buildings dropping at free fall speeds

What buildings fell at free fall speed? As WTC 1 & 2 did not, as you can easily see by just watching video's of their collapse....

aircraft operating WAY above their structural abilities

Oh look, someone who thinks aircraft just fall apart if they exceed a certain speed...

See lots of conspiracists ranting with no plausible theories to supersede why WTC 1 and 2 collapsed after 15 years.

Heat of fire caused the floor beams to expand. With downward force on the floor, it was easier for the beams to sag than grow in length. Tower failure resulted when the cooling and sagging floor beams contracted. This was aided by insufficient fire protection insulation, cut fire water mains, long floor spans with no intermediate concrete support columns.

Video proof here....
the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2
www.metabunk.org...

With the theories of thermite, lasers, holograms, drones, missiles, nukes, and dustification, it doesn't take a genius to see the movement is full con persons and unable to police itself from hoaxes.

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: Blue_Jay33

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I read recently that gold content contributors are especially targeted by paid trolls. Have you found this to be true?

I like the idea of a rogue Trump going all truthy.

Not anymore, the PPP ones here at ATS would have starved by now, and it looks like many of them left or got banned.

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: DeathShield

It's all about average particle size of debris on the Fresh Kills landfill. From average particle size a rough estimate of energy input can be calculated. The answer is in the average particle size of the concrete. That's why the fakes concentrate on the steel.

Can you be specific on how much structural reinforced concrete was used in the towers and where? Can you give what the majority of material was vs brittle drywall and brittle concrete block?

originally posted by: neutronflux
See lots of conspiracists ranting with no plausible theories to supersede why WTC 1 and 2 collapsed after 15 years.

Heat of fire caused the floor beams to expand. With downward force on the floor, it was easier for the beams to sag than grow in length. Tower failure resulted when the cooling and sagging floor beams contracted. This was aided by insufficient fire protection insulation, cut fire water mains, long floor spans with no intermediate concrete support columns.

Video proof here....
the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2
www.metabunk.org...

With the theories of thermite, lasers, holograms, drones, missiles, nukes, and dustification, it doesn't take a genius to see the movement is full con persons and unable to police itself from hoaxes.

Steel melts at 2200 degrees. How did the sagging floor beams create steel lava?

www.youtube.com...

Just out of curiosity how did this get on the main page. While I agree with the OP , this is all old new's. Did I overlook something that was unique or new in this video ?

a reply to: dfnj2015

Where in the NIST reports did it say the temps ever got to 2200 degrees.

What proof is there of molten steel?

What verification can you produce?

What physical evidence exists?

What proof of liquid steel that pooled under the debris and created a solidified sheet of steel?

84 different metals on the periodic table. The metal with the lowest melting point is liquid at room temperature. That is not counting all the other materials that can become molten, flow, glow and burn.


The inward bowing as seen here

www.metabunk.org...

did not take lava steel to produce a failure. Just steel hot enough it lost its ability to resist load and strain. It's the cooling and contracting that lead to collapse.


What would have caused the false narrative, mistaken eyewitness accounts with no physical proof, eyewitness accounts taken out of context, eyewitness accounts of incorrect phrassing, of molten steel.

Only if conspiracists would hold themselves to the same ridicule they apply to conspiracy theory skeptics.

lots of bunk on this thread.

originally posted by: searcherfortruth

Yeah, Highjackers with box cutters, OMG, that is such a hoot!

First hurdle, prove before 9/11 it was common and preferred for aircrews to physically resist highjackings?

A generation from now, a grade 10 student, armed with nothing but his textbook, a stopwatch, and some YouTube videos of the destruction of the twin towers, is going to prove, well beyond any reasonable doubt, that indeed the twin towers were brought down by explosives and the aircraft, swapped out, remotely piloted, military variant 767's operating within the context of the smokescreen of war games operations underway that day, leaving that whole region without fighter aircraft and what few were available sent in the wrong direction, intentionally via a hijacking of the military apparatus by some rogue group, pointing to the complicity of the deep state and shadow government.

Thus the poor kid will end up a targeted and surveilled "person of interest" while his own Facebook Page is officially stamped as "fake news" and his own smartphone the instrument of their surveillance, which when discovered and betrayed shall not only prove him right, but put the bind on that same evil faction of the deep state, bringing about their downfall everywhere and in every sphere of opinion except that of the oldstream media.

a reply to: AnkhMorpork

You have Richar Gauge and Steven Jones that cannot prove CD after 15 years? If the government didn't want the distraction of the false CD narrative, why would Jones and Gauge still be around in your context of a murderous government?