This is WAR – German politicians turn on Angela Merkel amid call for martial law

originally posted by: intrptr
Poor EU, so racially pure, so abhorred by the idea that others aren't like them. What did you expect, friendly victims from war torn countries? Ahh, they are so understanding of gubment policy who combine with other NATO member states and bomb the s*** out of their homeland.

Yah, wake up europe the enemy is not the refugees, its your own gubment.

FFS, can you never find anything to criticise people who attack innocent civilians because NATA et al have bombed the ME?

In a previous thread you said the same and the attackers were from Algeria/Morocco...
Here>> www.abovetopsecret.com...
Two countries which NATO has never bombed. You don't even seem to know your geo-political history.
You constantly apologise for terrorists with a rather distasteful attitude that the EU deserves it because of NATO etc and I've never once seen you denounce terrorist acts in any similar thread.

No.
Regardless of the motivation of anyone who kills and maims innocent people, their actions are wrong morally.

I actually think you get excitedly happy whenever terrorists kill 'western' people because as I've said, I've never seen you criticise it, just mock.

Oh, and before you call me a hater again (as you always do to deflect) make sure you have some quoted words from me to back it up instead of your invented ad hominems.

Killing innocent people is wrong, and your condoning it because of NATO etc is frankly sickening in my opinion.

*edit*
Yah indeed.

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
I am listening to the officials right now, there are press conferences and all that. And now they tend to go away slowly from the muslim terror theory a bit. A reporter even asked if they can write now that the arrested Naved B. was NOT the driver, because it seems that the officials slowly prepare the public for that fact.

Hmmn... A reporter needs to ask if and what they can report...

AND

^^"it seems that the officials slowly prepare the public for that fact?^^

Sounds like a convoluted whitewash in the making?

But i guess that is all "fake-news" for some people, because it doesn´t fit to their bias.

LOL!!
Or could it possibly be that Frau Merkel is worried about the 2017 elections? and is

trying to distance herself from her own failing policies? damage limitations and

backtracking!?

I dont know if this is posted already:

Germany threatens to fine Facebook €500,000 for each fake news post
Earlier this week, Facebook said that it would be partnering with fact-checking sites like Snopes to help weed out the fake news that has been plaguing the site in recent years. But it seems that Germany is not confident that self-regulation will be enough.

The chairman of Germany’s Social Democratic Party, Thomas Oppermann, has suggested a new law that would require companies like Facebook to set up an office in the country that would deal with fake news and hate speech at all hours of the day. According to English-language version of the German news site Deutsche Welle, German legislators are considering whether to institute a policy that if Facebook’s local office did not delete the news item or hate speech within 24 hours, the social network could expect a fine of €500,000 euros ($522,575) per item.

The move is partly in response to fears that fake news posts could have an affect on the German parliamentary elections taking place in 2017, according to the Financial Times. Facebook has repeatedly said since the Nov. 8 election of Donald Trump in the US that fake news on its site, which has roughly 180 million users in the US and Canada, could not have affected the election. Facebook’s insistence that it’s not a media company, even though it’s suspended foreign news outlets and blocked iconic war photographs in recent months, came at a time when it was revealed that the 20 highest-performing fake news stories outperformed the 20 most-read news stories from legitimate news outlets.

But someone should make a thread if it hasn't.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Ironically though, the end games are the same or very similar (even though they despise each other). The neocons and socialists differ wildly with their ideologies but their end-game is nearly identical...CONTROL, POWER and DOMINATION.

Judge them by their deeds.

ETA...Merkel is FAR from being considered a "neocon"! A "globalist" maybe, but certainly not a neocon!

Granted, I don't differentiate between neocons, neolibs and globalists. Given the recent years of her (or Schröders) rule, I don't see any real difference anymore either. And some people would've called the SPD a socialists party some years ago, if you catch my drift...

In the end we can judge them by their deeds and all I see is the rich getting richer while the rest fights for breadcrums. Warren Buffet was quite correct with his assessment, that the rich started this class-warfare and are about to win. Devide et impera.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I dont know if this is posted already:

Germany threatens to fine Facebook €500,000 for each fake news post
Earlier this week, Facebook said that it would be partnering with fact-checking sites like Snopes to help weed out the fake news that has been plaguing the site in recent years. But it seems that Germany is not confident that self-regulation will be enough.
The chairman of Germany’s Social Democratic Party, Thomas Oppermann, has suggested a new law that would require companies like Facebook to set up an office in the country that would deal with fake news and hate speech at all hours of the day. According to English-language version of the German news site Deutsche Welle, German legislators are considering whether to institute a policy that if Facebook’s local office did not delete the news item or hate speech within 24 hours, the social network could expect a fine of €500,000 euros ($522,575) per item.

The move is partly in response to fears that fake news posts could have an affect on the German parliamentary elections taking place in 2017, according to the Financial Times. Facebook has repeatedly said since the Nov. 8 election of Donald Trump in the US that fake news on its site, which has roughly 180 million users in the US and Canada, could not have affected the election. Facebook’s insistence that it’s not a media company, even though it’s suspended foreign news outlets and blocked iconic war photographs in recent months, came at a time when it was revealed that the 20 highest-performing fake news stories outperformed the 20 most-read news stories from legitimate news outlets.

I wonder .... will that include any false reporting that they and their media put

out? After all It was German reporting that gave out the arrest of a Pakistani man,

a refugee being arrested for the recent atrocity, till whether true nor false they

said it was a mistake.

Was it a mistake?.... or a method of quieting the masses after the

failed refugee debacle.

originally posted by: grainofsand

originally posted by: intrptr
Poor EU, so racially pure, so abhorred by the idea that others aren't like them. What did you expect, friendly victims from war torn countries? Ahh, they are so understanding of gubment policy who combine with other NATO member states and bomb the s*** out of their homeland.

Yah, wake up europe the enemy is not the refugees, its your own gubment.

FFS, can you never find anything to criticise people who attack innocent civilians because NATA et al have bombed the ME?

In a previous thread you said the same and the attackers were from Algeria/Morocco...
Here>> www.abovetopsecret.com...
Two countries which NATO has never bombed. You don't even seem to know your geo-political history.
You constantly apologise for terrorists with a rather distasteful attitude that the EU deserves it because of NATO etc and I've never once seen you denounce terrorist acts in any similar thread.

No.
Regardless of the motivation of anyone who kills and maims innocent people, their actions are wrong morally.

I actually think you get excitedly happy whenever terrorists kill 'western' people because as I've said, I've never seen you criticise it, just mock.

Oh, and before you call me a hater again (as you always do to deflect) make sure you have some quoted words from me to back it up instead of your invented ad hominems.

Killing innocent people is wrong, and your condoning it because of NATO etc is frankly sickening in my opinion.

*edit*
Yah indeed.

Anyone who deliberately kills innocent unarmed people deserves to die. Anyone who deliberately kills innocent unarmed people for terrorist goals or a political agenda deserve to die horribly, over multiple days. These terrorist apologists can't make killing innocent people right, because it is not going to stop the bankers, politicians, handlers and other people in their fortified ivory towers from killing more people.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: eletheia

Berliner Polizei geht man davon aus, dass es sich bei dem festgenommenen Pakistaner nicht um den Todesfahrer handelt. Das erfuhr die „Welt“ aus ranghohen Sicherheitskreisen.

Berliner Polizei – „Wir haben den falschen Mann“

You can write refugee debacle all day, we stupid Krauts took another 300K refugees this year while others try to cover their War with Terror under layers of christmas kitsch.

The Arsonists is a great read. Try Max Frisch this time of the year, it might actually help to get your act straight.

Maybe it was a right wing attack and it was the Polish driver?

This morning on Sky News they first announced that the Polish Driver was being worked on by Police when they first arrived. Then they announced that the Police had mistakenly shot him, which was immediately and I mean immediately, corrected to state that he was shot by the suspect and found dead at the scene.

Looking at the front of the Cab it looks like the Driver's and passenger's side of the windows have been shot through. Maybe he was shot trying to escape through the passenger door and collapsed in the footwell?

No video footage, arrest of a suspect followed from the scene who, it turns out, isn't the perp, no idea of who or where their main suspect is and no doubt would now have to consider this line.

I'm a little confused in such threads, on how the US sees itself as anywhere close to the situation in Europe...?

Are you saying mexicans are joining Muslim extremists groups?

Are you really having thousands of refugees from the middle east coming each day, like us?

They don't seem to be interested in getting to the US (there's no social security there, and it is much further to go on a little boat.....)

I guess I need to do some research, because these threads really seem incomprehensible to me.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: MrConspiracy

You are simply wrong.

The number of asylum seekers? The fault of western government. The fact that a statistically irrelevant number of these individuals happen to be affiliated with the proxy armies of nations like the UK and the US? The fault of western governments. Whose responsibility is it?

We keep voting for these idiots who fund terrorism, who take away our liberties "to protect us", who funnel our taxes into private hands, who sell weapons to our enemies. The issues are not the fault of the large majority of entirely innocent immigrants, and no one should EVER be held to account for actions they are not responsible for personally.

So the citizens of the west, who are perfectly happy to see their arms sales go up, their revenue increase, their liberties eroded, and their societies collapse as a result of media manipulation are buying their own downfall, not having it done to them, and the only innocent people in all of this, are the immigrants who want nothing to do with war. Everyone else, the governments of the West, the people who refused to vote for pacifist governments, refused to vote for a government that would take the MIC out the back and have it shot, and the terrorists themselves, these people who failed their own nations are the ones to blame for the situation we find ourselves in.

Sure... why not? AND... Multiculturalism has failed.

AND... only REAL, vetted refugees should be, and should HAVE been, allowed in.

AND... its not really fair to blame the victims for their own murder, rape, etc... cause they didn't vote the right way, or hard enough...

It's not really fair to blame the masses either for being taken in by the government, politicians, etc... when every PSYop trick, every psychological tool, every media manipulation, every soft mind control, information control, guilt, not patriotic enough, "you're being attacked!", the BIG LIEs, the propaganda, etc etc etc every trick in the book is being used on the populace.

I love you man, but, when you get your hardcore liberal thang goin on... I just cannot hang with ya brother. You're off in the clouds, using words and lofty ideals as your flying contraption. The rest of us down here on Earth wonder when you will ever come back down to solid Earth again. The ONLY innocent people are the good immigrants? There are no good citizens then? Not even you I suppose? Put that white guilt in the ol crack pipe and smoke it on up, my man... but, I think I'll pass, brotherman. Like I said, I cannot hang with that crazy talk.

We believe you that you're not homophobic, or any of the other non socially acceptable phobics, ok? You can stop with the act now. Is your case even still active? Even so, are all these over the top posts going to count for anything? Or did that whole entire ordeal just drive you over the edge so now you're paranoid that some perceived slight against a minority will bring the whole crazy #storm back to your front door again? Or have you *honestly* *always* been like this? You seem too educated and logical to me, to be *THAT* liberal... so forgive me if I have to wonder sometimes if it's an act.

"The ONLY innocent people are the immigrants who want nothing to do with war." Just wow... how bout the children? Were there any children injured yet by these acts? How about any traumatized from witnessing it?

I've made up my mind. You CANNOT be serious. Or you spoke carelessly and did not mean to take it to that extreme, and do not truly believe those immigrants who are innocent are THE ONLY innocent ones in this whole situation... Who's to say every person injured was a voting citizen? What if they were there on a visa from halfway across the world? And not from a western nation?

originally posted by: Bluesma
I'm a little confused in such threads, on how the US sees itself as anywhere close to the situation in Europe...?

Are you saying mexicans are joining Muslim extremists groups?

Are you really having thousands of refugees from the middle east coming each day, like us?

They don't seem to be interested in getting to the US (there's no social security there, and it is much further to go on a little boat.....)

I guess I need to do some research, because these threads really seem incomprehensible to me.

Our American cousins would have turned the whole scene into the shoot out at the O.K Corral, it appears.

Of course they should be concerned about what's happening in Europe, they have many many military personnel based in many of Europe's countries.

Besides, they have had a couple of their own lone wolf terror attacks recently.

Security, vetting, etc. are all very much needed. Clearly real threats exist. Even those of profoundly liberal bents like myself have been saying not enough was being done to secure the peace and wellbeing of European states during the ongoing refugee crisis. No argument from me here. More definitely has to be done, and the left has definitely not been willing enough to see that.

In the longer term however, and I know this will likely get some flak but it's my honest feeling and opinion so I'm going to say it... I fear far more this rise of populist authoritarianism. It wears a smiley face instead of jack boots, and is responding to real threats instead of contrived ones, which makes it far more appealing than "traditional" authoritarianism. And it is presently spreading across Western civilization as a whole, like wildfire, in response to those threats (both very real, and exaggerated.)

This is how it happens, this is how it has always happened throughout history, if we aren't extremely careful and mindful that we must be every bit as cautious and zealous in our defense of liberty and humanity, as we are of borders and lives. Every time we respond with (justified) fear or concern to an external threat, the potential for abuse of the power we quickly hand over to those who may or may not have our best interests at heart rears its head. Eternal vigilance. It's not just a pretty turn of phrase, and it applies more than ever when we're trying to protect ourselves against real dangers. We can't be lax now in our suspicion and skepticism of our leaders, and that applies equally to the left and the right.

Peace.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: Bluesma
I'm a little confused in such threads, on how the US sees itself as anywhere close to the situation in Europe...?

Are you saying mexicans are joining Muslim extremists groups?

Are you really having thousands of refugees from the middle east coming each day, like us?

They don't seem to be interested in getting to the US (there's no social security there, and it is much further to go on a little boat.....)

I guess I need to do some research, because these threads really seem incomprehensible to me.

...

Besides, they have had a couple of their own lone wolf terror attacks recently.

There is NO such thing! This whole "lone wolf" mantra is yet another of a politically correct construct. It's just yet another EXCUSE, in a very long line of excuses, to consciously avoid recognizing acts for what they truly are! The 'lone wolf' mantra is a willful manipulation of the facts to make the perpetrators of these violent acts appear to be independent operators and not part of a larger theme...radicalized extremist Islam.

A "terrorist" attack is a "terrorist attack", no matter how you slice it. No matter how you spin it, "terrorist act" plain and simple.

Boston Marathon, San Bernardino and Orlando are but a few examples here in the US. In Europe; the Bataclan Theater attack, the Nice attack, the Brussels railway bombing as well as so many others all over Europe. The denial is deafening.

originally posted by: Bluesma
I'm a little confused in such threads, on how the US sees itself as anywhere close to the situation in Europe...?

Are you saying mexicans are joining Muslim extremists groups?

Are you really having thousands of refugees from the middle east coming each day, like us?

They don't seem to be interested in getting to the US (there's no social security there, and it is much further to go on a little boat.....)

I guess I need to do some research, because these threads really seem incomprehensible to me.

It's not that they're not interested in coming here- it's just that it's more work to get in legally. I suppose they could flood mexico and then make a run for it- maybe we'll see that next.
we just spent the last year keeping clinton out of office, who wanted to open the borders wide to flood our country with exactly the kinds of problems currently facing the EU. I bet we'd even be spending our own tax dollars to bring them over in huge transport ships.
it seems about half of our voters (and maybe 35% of our actual citizens) really wanted to invite these exact problems into our homeland, and seeing it over there has many of us worried that our fight isn't over.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Another fact would be Schröbele and his new terrorism charge due to unlawful killings from Germany in Ramstein. I'm looking forward to that story, good stuff. Radicalized extremist Christians.

Pointing fingers was never our strategy in the first place and I can't help myself, but it surely looks like some people try to capitalize such events for one reason or another. Welcome to the new normal of prejudices and prejudgments!

The driver has been stabbed and shot but they somehow didn't catch the guy who kidnapped him? With all the security on every fricken christmas market? Pff... c'mon folks!
That's pretty close to letting a suicide terrorist commit suicide under state oversight, just saying. Stay tuned for a bunch of new security laws for your delusion of safety and for the kids, of course...

originally posted by: PublicOpinion

You can write refugee debacle all day, we stupid Krauts took another 300K refugees this year while others try to cover their War with Terror under layers of christmas kitsch.

You can't blame others for the collective Kraut stupidity .... Own it!

a reply to: grainofsand

You constantly apologies for terrorists with a rather distasteful attitude that the EU deserves it because of NATO etc and I've never once seen you denounce terrorist acts in any similar thread.

I denounce the real terrorists, those waging unjust aggressive industrialized warfare against hapless nations in the name of humanity. Yes, NATO. Blowback is a bitch...

a reply to: eletheia

I would be happy if we'd have only 2 or 3 murderers on 300K Krauts, but what the heck do I know anyway...

a reply to: intrptr

We're the stupid fools here, of course. Because we try to deny ignorance and this is ATS. Funny story though, in a sad way.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: eletheia

I would be happy if we'd have only 2 or 3 murderers on 300K Krauts, but what the heck do I know anyway...

a reply to: intrptr

We're the stupid fools here, of course. Because we try to deny ignorance and this is ATS. Funny story though, in a sad way.

*Stop Press* ISIS has claimed responsibility for the attack Just been on

Sky news

Beware of the snakes in the grass ...........

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: grainofsand

You constantly apologies for terrorists with a rather distasteful attitude that the EU deserves it because of NATO etc and I've never once seen you denounce terrorist acts in any similar thread.

I denounce the real terrorists, those waging unjust aggressive industrialized warfare against hapless nations in the name of humanity. Yes, NATO. Blowback is a bitch...

Do you denounce people who kill innocents in the name of revenge against western governments?
I do.