Egyptian Archaeologists Discovered Abydos A 7,000-Year-Old City/Beginning of Egyptian History?

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: Byrd

When did they get the first StarChart?

The faults i came across are that the priest cast should have had a starchart, and the people have a symbol..
The mythology confirms a starchart, but where?

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There was no priest caste - anyone could become a priest or a scribe and everyone served in the temple for a period each year as part of their civic duties. There were many different types of priests including the sem priest, the wab priest; the khem netjer (and so forth). You may be thinking of the subclass of wab priests called "Imi-Unut" - the coffin that I linked shows the tables that they used.

Not sure which mythology confirms a star chart. Can you link?

The symbol for the common folk was the lapwing (bird). You can see it here on this column, right under the cartouche of the pharaoh - it's the bird with human arms. That's goodlole Usermaatre-Setepenere Ramesses-Meryamun (Ramesses II to the rest of us mortals) and the column shows the "little people" worshiping and praising the "golden pharaoh" (his cartouches are sitting on the signs for gold. That's the Temple of Karnak where every-pharaoh bragged about the things they did and in the case of Ramesses, he had added "and the people rejoiced" to all of his accomplishments.

It was sorta funny to walk around and see it.

They also used a hieroglyph group composed of a man and a woman sitting together with three lines under them (roughly meaning "lots of men and women") You can see it in the image here, in the left-hand column (A1a)

Here's a book chapter on ancient Egyptian astronomy - since this is a textbook, they back up their statements by talking about the sites where these things are found and about the translators and other goodies that warm the hearts of those of us who spend too much time with our noses in books!

Note: as they say, some of this is speculative - the paper is not universally liked and it does have its critics. It's good, however, in that it talks about "how we figured out what constellation they're talking about."

a reply to: Byrd

This is great resource, I'm in a dark room and grabbing everything I can see..

a reply to: Harte

yeah, sure, thats the issue!
and it in no way precludes such activities. which are essential to providing an evidential base.
which is the primary foundation.
but its massively fragmented, obviously
but it must also be considered this epoch must be treated as somewhat dark.
the issues considered are only presented in our 2 dimensional interperetations in relational or temporal perspective.
and objectively its beyond the vagueness of the occupants of platos' cave.
shadows on a wall
thats the root of all the ancient alien ancient civilisational infrastructure folk.bleh! call em what you will
the point is they are intuitively pointing out a hole in the reasoning and using the ammunition at their linguistic and conceptual disposal which is a melange of post war religious or faith substitutes in our modern western materialistic culture
ufos replace the gods (and this was surely encouraged and enabled by agencies in the latter half of the last century)
christianity supplanted the tree worshippers as most of the plus 2000 year old yew trees in the uk will attest (although the wave of norman churches, not ten generations from the vikings, brought a second wave planted with the buildings of the churches)
ideas are neccesary to beat ideas
this creates complexity, as must be so
entropy is the only other option
so the cave paintings of circa 35 000 bc, and on; some thing had happened.
it may have been gradual or relatively sudden
the only real certainty is population density reaching some kind of threshold with cooperation and communication from all kinds of imperatives
this could have come about for any number of reasons and is truly a 'moveable feast'
and probably a reccuring event for all homonids in that braided stream of ancestry, their rise and fall marked by enviromental events in their relative times
and then there is technological progression
again, a moveable feast, but in this case after a tool or process is invented it becomes an idea and can be translated through time with no physical baggage and relies only on adequate communication.
knowledge is power.
it seems to build a pyramid some must be much more enlightened than others.
which implies even requires that knowledge to be 'a priori' and then they tested and perfected it quickly. 'a posteriori'
or they went the other way round, unlikely in given timescales, in any case they blew it and went high entropy and forgot everything.
where did this knowledge originate? after the ashlar and water temple (isis?)?
this makes all human traces communication and introduction in the first instance of discovery.
if you do not wish to communicate through time you erase your trace.
probably a prerequisite of survival for most of prehistory
the 'monuments' (catch all) are precisely the opposite of this.
perhaps the builders temporal viewpoint is at odds with ours, cyclic, though his physical orientation is exact. so in no way deluded
its almost like a victory parade over the elements so what was the precursor that led to this idea?
basically i think people, the few who can still think, when they post in this forum get upset because old narratives for human history are still prevalent, there appears to be a developmental gap missing, and motivation and 'religion' are misunderstood as never before.
seen any plants in those cave paintings?
think on that one!
did we intentionally start agriculture or was it an accident? was it enforced?
most people wanted no truck with christianity but they got it anyway.
enforcement and reinforcement of ideas
there are analytical tools to test these ideas but as ever , trash in=trash out, it tricky to ask the correct questions correctly. difficult to be objective in the asking without missing the relative perspective.