Media Silent as House Passes Resolution for Syrian No-Fly Zone — Provoking War with Russia

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: TrueAmerican

It seems that there is just one sponsor of that bill.

Rep. Engel, Eliot L. [D-NY-16]

Not sure if anyone is co-sponsoring this bill because it doesn't say so in the Congress.gov website that refers to that bill.

They keep that stuff on the down low.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: intrptr

and once again you are wrong and once again you make claims you cannot support. Feel free to link your sources please.

Link my sources that NATO is trying to Regime Change Syria for years?

Time for someone to come up out of Plato's Cave.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: loveguy

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Xcathdra

Actually theres about 300 special forces personnel there-(between Syria and Yemen) officially they pulled out before the conflict but there has been a small group of advisors there as of April

Careful... trying to blur the lines of special forces and advisors with regular troops is a double edged sword.

So they are there or they are not?

Lol, that line is "blurry" on purpose. The same distinction, I mean disinformation applies when wanting us to believe there are some mystical 'moderate rebels'.

Ya got your reglar GIs and yer 'special' ones. Ya got your 'extreme' terrs and yer 'moderate' ones.

Moderate wahhabism is an oxymoron. We have known this since we started it.

originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: loveguy

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Xcathdra

Actually theres about 300 special forces personnel there-(between Syria and Yemen) officially they pulled out before the conflict but there has been a small group of advisors there as of April

Careful... trying to blur the lines of special forces and advisors with regular troops is a double edged sword.

So they are there or they are not?

Lol, that line is "blurry" on purpose. The same distinction, I mean disinformation applies when wanting us to believe there are some mystical 'moderate rebels'.

Ya got your reglar GIs and yer 'special' ones. Ya got your 'extreme' terrs and yer 'moderate' ones.

Moderate wahhabism is an oxymoron. We have known this since we started it.

Another one is the notion that somehow we're helping defeat some ISIS, in fact helping Assad rid his country of terrorists.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

Nothing in this bill institutes a no-fly zone.

The bill is requiring a full assessment of that strategy if employed.

That would seem wise?...would it not?...to examine the consequences and logistics before deciding?

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: TrueAmerican

Nothing in this bill institutes a no-fly zone.

The bill is requiring a full assessment of that strategy if employed.

That would seem wise?...would it not?...to examine the consequences and logistics before deciding?

If that's all it is then it begs the question why is a bill needed in the first place! There is nothing in the ME worth our time, money, blood, and treasure. The Russians can have Syria as far as I am concerned. I doubt the Syrian army is going to show up anytime soon in Newark New Jersey.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: TrueAmerican

Nothing in this bill institutes a no-fly zone.

The bill is requiring a full assessment of that strategy if employed.

That would seem wise?...would it not?...to examine the consequences and logistics before deciding?

If that's all it is then it begs the question why is a bill needed in the first place!

Because by demanding full analysis and reporting of what a No Fly Zone would involve and result in...it puts the Commander and Chief on the hook. They have to make public their reasoning and goals before acting. This is actually a legislative grab to try and limit the powers of an incoming President and that is why it was done quietly.

One word......#!

originally posted by: Xcathdra


Do you think its ok to intentionally target civilians / civilian infrastructure? Do you think its ok to use chemical weapons on civilians?

War sucks people die.


If the USA or UK want to take the moral high ground maybe they should start by adressing Hiroshima, Nagisaki, Tokyo and Dresden?

USA has no right to point fingers or play the moral police.

Only country that has any sort of moral high ground is Iceland.

"SEC. 303. Assessment of potential effectiveness of and requirements for the establishment of safe zones or a no-fly zone in Syria. (a) In general.—Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall submit to the appropriate congressional committee a report that— (1) assesses the potential effectiveness, risks, and operational requirements of the establishment and maintenance of a no-fly zone over part or all of Syria, including— (A) the operational and legal requirements for United States and coalition air power to establish a no-fly zone in Syria; (B) the impact a no-fly zone in Syria would have on humanitarian and counterterrorism efforts in Syria and the surrounding region; and (C) the potential for force contributions from other countries to establish a no-fly zone in Syria; and (2) assesses the potential effectiveness, risks, and operational requirements for the establishment of one or more safe zones in Syria for internally displaced persons or for the facilitation of humanitarian assistance, including— (A) the operational and legal requirements for United States and coalition forces to establish one or more safe zones in Syria; (B) the impact one or more safe zones in Syria would have on humanitarian and counterterrorism efforts in Syria and the surrounding region; and (C) the potential for contributions from other countries and vetted non-state actor partners to establish and maintain one or more safe zones in Syria. (b) Form.—The report required by subsection (a) shall be submitted in unclassified form, but may contain a classified annex if necessary. (c) Definition.—In this section, the term “appropriate congressional committees” means— (1) the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives; and (2) the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate."

H.R. 5732

Soooo not exactly enforcing a no-fly zone, but def worrying that they are even considering the option...

P.S. Also if someone has already posted this i apologize, i did a quick scan of the thread and didnt see anything

a reply to: crazyewok

and back to the topic the legislation does not impose a no fly zone. As I said people should read the entire bill before trying to pass it off as something its not.

The US has every right to point fingers, just as Russia does and just as member on this forum do. Ironic that the finger pointing in this thread is based on false info.

How come?

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: loveguy

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Xcathdra

Actually theres about 300 special forces personnel there-(between Syria and Yemen) officially they pulled out before the conflict but there has been a small group of advisors there as of April

Careful... trying to blur the lines of special forces and advisors with regular troops is a double edged sword.

So they are there or they are not?

Lol, that line is "blurry" on purpose. The same distinction, I mean disinformation applies when wanting us to believe there are some mystical 'moderate rebels'.

Ya got your reglar GIs and yer 'special' ones. Ya got your 'extreme' terrs and yer 'moderate' ones.

The question asked was are people left behind following the pull-out? It matters less to me than their personal rank.
If we officially pulled-out, there shouldn't be someone relaying messages from within?

Someone held back to keep advising us of 'potential' this or that is not really pulling out is it?
It's leading us to believe a falsehood- "we officially pulled out".

I thought Iran and Syria were friends and would help each other out? They are both right there, like neighbors.
What gives? Why do we have to force our will?

Sorry. I feel strongly about it.

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

Soon after the presidential election, key warmongers in Congress began formulating plans to make increased conflict a near certainty, complete with the kind of propaganda peddled before the Iraq attack. While everyone was distracted by the election of Trump, six representatives took advantage of the lame-duck session and suspended “normal rules” to bring us H.R. 5732.

Most strikingly, the resolution calls for evaluating and developing plans for the United States to impose a “no fly zone” inside Syria, a sovereign nation, an act of war that also would violate international law as an act of aggression. It also could put the U.S. military in the position of shooting down Russian aircraft.”

Media Silent as House Passes Resolution for Syrian No-Fly Zone — Provoking War with Russia

From the relevant section 303 of the legislation:

SEC. 303. Assessment of potential effectiveness of and requirements for the establishment of safe zones or a no-fly zone in Syria.

(a) In general.—Not later than 90 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall submit to the appropriate congressional committee a report that—

(1) assesses the potential effectiveness, risks, and operational requirements of the establishment and maintenance of a no-fly zone over part or all of Syria, including—

(A) the operational and legal requirements for United States and coalition air power to establish a no-fly zone in Syria;

(B) the impact a no-fly zone in Syria would have on humanitarian and counterterrorism efforts in Syria and the surrounding region; and

(C) the potential for force contributions from other countries to establish a no-fly zone in Syria; and

(2) assesses the potential effectiveness, risks, and operational requirements for the establishment of one or more safe zones in Syria for internally displaced persons or for the facilitation of humanitarian assistance, including—

(A) the operational and legal requirements for United States and coalition forces to establish one or more safe zones in Syria;

(B) the impact one or more safe zones in Syria would have on humanitarian and counterterrorism efforts in Syria and the surrounding region; and

(C) the potential for contributions from other countries and vetted non-state actor partners to establish and maintain one or more safe zones in Syria.

(b) Form.—The report required by subsection (a) shall be submitted in unclassified form, but may contain a classified annex if necessary.

(c) Definition.—In this section, the term “appropriate congressional committees” means—

(1) the Committee on Foreign Affairs and the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives; and

(2) the Committee on Foreign Relations and the Committee on Armed Services of the Senate.

www.congress.gov...-HE0C2D7DC816A4E36A4F9E862440BEEAA

Take note also of this:

The suspension of rules procedure is supposed to be used for “non-controversial” bills such as naming Post Offices, but this small group of lawmakers used it to pass a drastically important bill. The blatant abuse of power shows the desperation in the neocon ranks.

Note also that some house republicans voted yes on this resolution as well, so it's not all the democrats fault. Just mostly.

But regardless, it just brings us one step closer to WW3. The Russians have stated in no uncertain terms that electing Trump just averted WW3, knowing that the US imposing a no fly zone in Syria would preclude the Russians as well from flying inside Syria, when Assad himself invited the Russian participation.

And maybe this is how. They are no doubt very aware of this bill, and were extremely vocal about it before it was even out of the gate. Now that it has passed the House, that still leaves the Senate and President, but given the underhanded nature, again (big surprise, *sigh*) of how this was passed, it just leaves me wondering if this bill is going to get fast-tracked through the Senate and passed on to Obama for him to sign the final nail in the coffin of humanity.

Congress was already warned by the military that imposing a no fly zone over Syria would mean going to war against Russia. The passage of this bill mandates even more serious consideration of the idea, complete with in depth assessments due within 90 days of passing. So the question remains if they could even get this done before Obama leaves office on January 19th-20th.

In a currently liberal White House? Hey baby, with a will there is always a way.

And indeed it may take Trump to save the day. This is no doubt going to infuriate Putin, let alone if it actually ends up passing the Senate. Because I don't think anyone has any doubts what happens after that. Obama will likely sign it.

So let's say in a worst case it does pass, and the fly zone is imposed. Putin calls up China, and together they fly in vast formations over Syria deliberately, out numbering and overpowering any and all available US aircraft. I'd like to see what the warmongers would do in that case. Call in British, Canadian and Australian aircraft probably. And maybe call in even more NATO aircraft.

The stage is set. Humanity and planet earth- you LOSE.

Well, it isn't a House Resolution, but that makes it slightly worse because A House of Representatives bill (H.R. ####) becomes binding law whereas a House Resolution (H. Res. ####) is not.

I doubt this will make it to becomming law. Sure, people think Obama would sign it, but I don't see it getting that far. Even if it does, I don't see Obama signing it. He's a lame duck president now, and all I see him doing with a bill like this is to simply pocket veto it.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights has reported that since 2012, over 60,000 Syrians, including children, have died in Syrian prisons.

This legislation actually is based on the The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights a one man propaganda center in England with likely MI6 and CIA ties.

I've exposed this ridiculous outfit of one man sitting in a dark room in England as the propaganda outfit it is with little real connections to Syria maybe other than a few smart phone calls

www.abovetopsecret.com...

What is going on here folks is clear to people who can see.

Trump pretended to be a non-interventionist pro Russian candidate.

If you recall George W Bush used the same language as Trump did in his election in 2000 saying repeatedly that he was firmly against nation building and intervening in other countries.


It is clear now Trump has used the same deceptive playbook while he litters his cabinet with neocons, warmongers and military people.


There will likely be a false flag within the first year of Trump's presidency that they will end up starting a military operation with the target being Iran.

Also if you recall the congress is very willing to pass something that literally entices Israel to attack Iran


Also, Trump has criticized the Iranian deal numerous times and if and when he rejects the deal Obama made with Iran, then maybe they wont need a false flag


The election of Trump was not a smack in the face of the NWO globalist it was just a change in tactics from attacking Syria to Iran now.


This legislation is only poring gasoline of that fire

a reply to: Willtell

How are you arriving at your conclusion with Trump when this effort is led by Republicans in the House since 2012?

Or are you simply trying to create a false narrative in order to blame trump?

How about people stick to the truth and not make stuff up and try to pass it off as truth when in reality its not supported by anything. Also you would do well to read the legislation because it is not doing what the OP article claims.

Here is a big hint - Congress has no authority to direct the military to the bathroom, let alone a no fly zone.

You should look a bit harder because what you are seeing is false.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Willtell

How are you arriving at your conclusion with Trump when this effort is led by Republicans in the House since 2012?

Ok.

What effort are you two talking about?

a reply to: Xcathdra

Here is a big hint - Congress has no authority to direct the military to the bathroom, let alone a no fly zone.

While your so busy defending your precious Donald Trump YOU need to check out reality

The congress many times has passed legislation on foreign policy that hampers the president. That has happened often, for better or worse, depending on the issue at the time.

On Nicaragua during Reagan’s attempt to support a war over there


When Obama was making a deal with Iran the congress many times threatened to derail it with legislation


On Vietnam the congress refused at one point to fund it that lead to the US having to get out

originally posted by: Willtell

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights has reported that since 2012, over 60,000 Syrians, including children, have died in Syrian prisons.

I kinda need a link if it's ok?

a reply to: Xcathdra
I just want to read the assessment when they complete it. To create a No Fly Zone against Russia's current no fly zone would mean taking out their S400 AntiAir complex. Israel an Turkey both stopped flying into Syrian airspace after that went online. It has not stopped NATO's representatives in Syria, such as Britain, France, and the USA from unilaterally conducting their own airstrikes though.

I just find it quite a pill to swallow to think NATO forces, under USA leadership can even contemplate enforcing a No Fly Zone within Syria, or create safe zones. Russia is being nice and ignoring NATO members jets over Syrian airspace. If an intent to commit to a NFZ actually goes through, I imagine Russia will just say "oh # it" . I mean they would literally have to target the Russian air defenses inside Syria to even get started, and that would be a declaration of war.

So therefore, to me, this assessment is likely just a means to funnel money into the coffers of whatever agency, NGO, or think tank that is tasked with writing it up.