Fake News is Not a Problem

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What I take away from your words is that you've given up, and this is your way of apologizing for supporting fake news.

That would be your opinion, and it would be wrong, as usual.

You ignored all of my arguments

Your argument failed to take into consider the opinion of the author. You think that your opinion is above scrutiny and is the absolute authority of what is fake news. But, you haven't offered even one example of real fake news, that has been prevalent here on ATS, like this:

Hillary Needed Help During The CIC Forum, Had Ear Piece

or this:

What is Mrs Clinton hiding under those beautiful pantsuits she wears?

That's what fake news is all about. Not an opinion that you don't agree with or can't grasp.

But I accept your apology, and thank you for admitting you were wrong and a fool.

More prove of your delusion. Just another example of you making stuff up and calling it empirical truth, when you fail to engage in intellectual thought.

Fake news would not be a problem if people were able to discern truth from lies. As is shown by this latest election,
they are not. For whatever reason critical thinking has become greatly diminished, or is being over-shouted by those who are less inclined to put forth the time/intelligence/research needed to make wise decisions.

a reply to: windword

And the goal posts get wider and wider.

Your argument is an appeal to subjectivity, among other fallacies I have already pointed out. I never said my opinion is above scrutiny, nor do I think that, so again, making stuff up, just like you and the author did with Obama's statements. Besides being rationally obscene, it might get you into trouble one day.

Now I have to offer examples of "real fake news"? Jesus man, your double-speak lexicon keeps growing with your goal posts. Fact is, I have never said I am an authority on fake news, nor did I imply it, but since you operate on opinion and cannot understand basic principles of arguments, I wouldn't put it past you. Again, making stuff up.

You keep saying news is part opinion, which is false. Now it is opinion, which is false, and I simply cannot grasp it. If you can show me anything outside your own mind that corroborates anything you say, we might have something to talk about, but you cannot, so we won't.

originally posted by: angeldoll
Fake news would not be a problem if people were able to discern truth from lies. As is shown by this latest election,
they are not. For whatever reason critical thinking has become greatly diminished, or is being over-shouted by those who are less inclined to put forth the time/intelligence/research needed to make wise decisions.

Exactly right. Obama made that perfectly clear in his speech, unless one is enraptured by the sensationalist headline and yellow journalism.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: angeldoll
Fake news would not be a problem if people were able to discern truth from lies. As is shown by this latest election,
they are not. For whatever reason critical thinking has become greatly diminished, or is being over-shouted by those who are less inclined to put forth the time/intelligence/research needed to make wise decisions.

Exactly right. Obama made that perfectly clear in his speech, unless one is enraptured by the sensationalist headline and yellow journalism.

And yes, too many are, consequently fake news is damaging.

a reply to: windword

...Your argument failed to take into consider the opinion of the author. ...

When did the opinion of the author become authentic news?
This seems to be the problem with the progressive authoritarian folks---the deeply-held belief that opinions of individuals should be counted as absolute truth. As in this case, because it was his opinion that Obama said this and that, despite the fact that Obama never said those words at all, it has to be true because the author believed it.
Were the story of the speech an opinion piece, clearly designated as an opinion piece, the argument might hold water. As a news story, it looks more like a screen than a bucket.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Your argument is an appeal to subjectivity, among other fallacies I have already pointed out.

Correct. The article in question is an opinion piece, and opinions are always subjective. That's not a fallacy. The fallacy is you trying to turn an opinion piece into a factual, no nonsense, no opinion report of the facts, which wasn't this author's objective. Did he search the words of Barack Obama for confirmation bias? Perhaps. But I can follow his and Obama's train of logical thought, and I do agree that one can take away the suggestion that fake news, ultimately is detrimental to democracy.

The Press has the obligation of serving as a watch dog, alerting the public to news worthy activities that may affect the people's best interest. This author sounded that alarm on his opinion of "fake news", correlating Obama's train of thought with his viewpoint.

You can emphatically disagree with his assessment, but you have no right to invalidate his opinion as being "fake news".