ALL EYES on Saudi Arabia: No Saudi Oil Says Trump

originally posted by: Konduit
They were this close to getting Huma in the White House!

Thats the right on man. You said it all.

We will see what Trump really does, but I hope he at least holds that country accountable for all the bs that comes from there, the terrorists, the infiltration of our government, the dirty wars they started across the ME. That said, messing with the Sauds is playing with fire. They will see it as an act of war no doubt.

a reply to: pirhanna

Time will tell.

That being said, Trump needs to be given that time. I've my doubts, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Aazadan

then mandate they be built.

Mandate they be built out of which persons pocketbook? The oil companies can just choose to drill in places other than the US and energy independence disappears. You can't mandate powerful multinational corporations like that.

originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: Konduit
They were this close to getting Huma in the White House!

Thats the right on man. You said it all.

Why would anyone go through the trouble to get people into the White House? They're there for 4-8 years and that's it. If you're going to buy people you buy (in the worst case) 5 Supreme Court justices.

a reply to: Miracula2

O.o

Dude, wtf are you talking about?

1. Islam believes the Prophet Muhammad is the Final Rasul/Messenger of God. The English word "Prophet" doesn't have the same context as Rasul, since the word "prophet" has been watered down to imply anyone who predicts something.

2. Islam doesn't follow the Bible or a version of the Bible. The Qur'an is a separate book altogether, we believe it is the 4th of God's Holy Books, and we believe the previous 3 have been corrupted beyond recognition (The Tawrat/Torah, The Zabur/possibly the Psalms, and The Injeel/Gospel). Therefore, paraphrasing what 1 version of the Bible supposedly says isn't going to hold any weight to us.

3. See #1.

4. See #1 as well. Besides, who acknowledges every new person who calls himself or herself a prophet? Some Christian denominations even use the word "Prophet" as an internal rank, like Reverends, Bishops, etc. Africa currently has a lot of self proclaimed Christian "prophets" like "prophet" TB Joshua, "prophet" Tamrat Tarekegn, and many others. Do you acknowledge them as your prophets too?

5. I don't even know what you're talking about here. Care to show me a link?

6a. I don't even know what you're talking about here either. Care to show me a link?
6b. Refer to #2 for the Torah part, especially if you're not willing to show which version of the Torah you're referring to (Septuagint, Samaritan Pentateuch, the shortened version used in most Western Christian Bibles, etc).

To be blunt, I'm a bit disappointed if this is how you actually feel. I thought you were a bit different from this. Oh well, such is life.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: pirhanna

Time will tell.

That being said, Trump needs to be given that time. I've my doubts, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

Oh he is extremely efficient. He can assess very clearly whether someone is capable of doing a job. And will motivate them to do it if they are capable and fire them if they aren't qualified. You could see that ability on the Apprentice show.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Miracula2

O.o

Dude, wtf are you talking about?


To be blunt, I'm a bit disappointed if this is how you actually feel. I thought you were a bit different from this. Oh well, such is life.

Sorry man. I was simply feeling my testosterone levels spiking. Testing. That's all.

a reply to: Miracula2

The Presidency, I dare say, is going to be tad bit different then "reality" TV... I surely do hope so, anyway, or we're durned well doomed.

I'm going to give him a chance, just hope the "loyal" opposition does, as well...

a reply to: LifeMode

They are already paying us not do drill by keeping oil prices/gas prices low making domestic oil extraction not profitable. He can shut down Saudi imports but we need to prepare for 8 dollars per gallon

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Miracula2

The Presidency, I dare say, is going to be tad bit different then "reality" TV... I surely do hope so, anyway, or we're durned well doomed.

I'm going to give him a chance, just hope the "loyal" opposition does, as well...

Well look at so many rich people. Squander their wealth. He's done nothing but add to his wealth with his work ethic and responsibility. He's excellent at human resources. He just owned up to paying 25 million for his Trump University scandal, making good on failings in that fiasco.

And as far as human resources go. I mean Mrs. Clinton was not qualified to be Secretary of State. Her duties as I understand them from looking at US Code Laws defining Sec. of State duties when an area becomes hostile her duty was to shut the Benghazi post down before things got ugly for American citizens. If Mrs. Clinton could not manage that how was she qualified for a higher post. Gaddafi was violated sexually by his own people in 2011, and the Embassy being overrun and the embassador being killed happened after. Why had she not shut that embassy down as per her duties in US C

Good on Trump, honestly we need to stop allying with and propping up barbaric dark age cultures for whom human rights is non-existent.

The world gains nothing by enabling their behavior. I'll be happy when we start telling more of these cultures to improve themselves if they want anything from us.

Not that we are lacking for improvements we can make to ourselves, I won't stop fighting for those changes either.

I'm so sick of a world that makes excuses for working with cultures that refuse to advance their human rights, and even worse, puts such cultures on human rights councils like they belong there in any way what so ever.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Aazadan

then mandate they be built.

Mandate they be built out of which persons pocketbook? The oil companies can just choose to drill in places other than the US and energy independence disappears. You can't mandate powerful multinational corporations like that.

US based companies can be held for treason if they go against their countries interest. And..freezing their bank accounts works wonders to get them to see it your way. You make their lives hell they will not be so powerful. Its not like we cant claim imminent domain on their rigs and refineries and nationalize it.

a reply to: pirhanna

maybe so but ..when we shut off their weapons systems what will they fight with? and also embargo and blockade them.

a reply to: Miracula2

Hey, I hope you're right. I hope in forty years, or even sooner, Trump is held up as the Gold Standard of Presidents, and I'm willing to give him every chance, but like lots of others, I'm going to be watching.

Holding both him, his cabinet, and Congress toes to the metaphorical fire.

Frankly, enough is enough. It's time for our collective bouts of apathy to disappear and get our heads in the game.

a reply to: loam

I dislike that this thread dropped off the front page.

Not in my top threads.. not in my new threads. Had to use search function to find and show to a friend.

originally posted by: luthier
We could also subsidize the renewable energy equally to oil and gas. How about just split the current oil and gas subsidies with renewable manufacturing. 21.5 billion should be a boost to renewable energy sector. No need to spend 43 billion subsidizing any industry. Especially one making hundreds of billions in profit.

That would mean reducing subsidies for renewables.
As of 2013:

On March 13, 2013, Terry M. Dinan, senior advisor at the Congressional Budget Office, testified before the Subcommittee on Energy of the Committee on Science, Space, and Technology in the U.S. House of Representatives that federal energy tax subsidies would cost $16.4 billion that fiscal year, broken down as follows:

Renewable energy: $7.3 billion (45 percent)
Energy efficiency: $4.8 billion (29 percent)
Fossil fuels: $3.2 billion (20 percent)
Nuclear energy: $1.1 billion (7 percent)

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Oil is sold on a world market. It doesn't matter who we buy it from, even if we buy oil only pumped in the US, except limiting ourselves to that would cost us dearly.

It's a nice sentiment to not buy Saudi oil. But the Saudi's are right - we'd take a huge hit in the economy if we only used oil we pumped ourselves.

Harte

During a well known interview with Alex Jones, Donald Trump allowed that maybe the Saudis were responsible for 9/11.

Ever since then I have been wondering if regime change is in the works for Saudi Arabia. Some months back, John Kerry had to speak to their foreign minister about the negative consequences of obtaining nuclear arms, after it became known that the Saudis have discussed acquiring such weapons with Pakistan.

I had assumed that the Saudis were aware that they have lost "flavor of the month" status in Washington and wanted give an atomic hedge to their bet on the US. We are in for interesting times. I didn't support Mr. Trump for the presidency, but I did like his attitude to Russia.

The overall thrust of a bipartisan American foreign policy since 9/11 has been to knock off all the major powers in the Middle East and North Africa. George W. Bush did it with patriotic hoopla and large deployments of expensive men and materiel. The sneaky and frugal Barack Obama did it with secret intelligence agents, machine gun mounted Toyota pick-ups and a fraudulent NATO "no fly zone" acting as the rat pack air force.

The direction and results were largely the same in geopolitical terms.

Now along comes Donald "Art of the Deal" Trump to put another spin on the same old game, I believe. His ultimate destination in the region will be Iran, if he can get there without disturbing the Russians too much, and along the way, I believe that changes are in store for "The Kingdom".

originally posted by: yuppa
US based companies can be held for treason if they go against their countries interest. And..freezing their bank accounts works wonders to get them to see it your way. You make their lives hell they will not be so powerful. Its not like we cant claim imminent domain on their rigs and refineries and nationalize it.

So you want to nationalize the oil companies?

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: yuppa
US based companies can be held for treason if they go against their countries interest. And..freezing their bank accounts works wonders to get them to see it your way. You make their lives hell they will not be so powerful. Its not like we cant claim imminent domain on their rigs and refineries and nationalize it.

So you want to nationalize the oil companies?

You caught that too? They claim they hate communism yet openly call for the state to take over private companies. O.o I feel like I've slipped into an episode of the "Twilight Zone". Next, they'll suggest that any Saudi land holdings here should be seized and redistributed to Americans.