Ozark Region (Missouri/Illinois/Arkansas) Bigfoot

This is my first new thread, so apologies if I get some things wrong.

I have lived in Missouri, rather near the Missouri River for over 20 years. Our home is situated in a wooded area, with miles and miles of woods/fields/wide spaced homes, close to shallow areas of the river. Our park is called Sioux Passage because-literally-the Sioux Indians could cross the Missouri and hide in the little islands all over.

And through the years, sometimes in winter, I would smell something not quite skunky but like that. With sweet undertones. Plenty of skunks, but they usually smelled up the area in fall with that distinctive skunk musk. The lizards in our area musk too, but that is a different smell. I knew I was smelling something very different, but it never bothered me.

Likewise, the movements of the wild creatures out here are noted but we don't fret about it. Our local free running dogs let us know about intruders. Note: intruders. Not what is supposed to be there. Yesterday, a neighbor dog silently "stalked" me and my dog as we were walking. He is a great dog so I had no fear. But it put it in my head that dogs would not bark at a being who is "supposed" to be there.

Finally, a friend casually said "Oh yeah, Columbia Missouri has a family of Bigfoot. They are near the river."

Likewise, I have read a lot of anecdotal reports of Bigfoot near Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri.

Here is what I think:
-there are different species of Bigfoot.
-they navigate using riverways
-they observe us alot to learn our movements so they can avoid us
-they move often to escape detection.

Opening this up to anyone who has insight.

a reply to: katfish

Your on the right track, there are different types of Sasquatch, mostly based on region and environment.

They like waterways and power line trails, and even railways to travel long distances, and they do migrate in some areas, usually following food sources.

They are often described as very curious, but they know we are an apex predator just like they are, and they know our numbers make us a very dangerous adversary.

Check out this website, and their podcast by the same name, tons of stories told first hand. Some are from average people completely confused by what they saw, some are lifelong, 2nd generation researchers with great insights into typology and behavior.
sasquatchchronicles.com...

Here's a thread I made a while ago, in it I suggest some good episodes
www.abovetopsecret.com...

100s of years of legend, but no hides, no bones, nothing but blurry pictures, videos and recorded sounds that could be almost anything. How do you know there are different types, if no one has ever even shown positive proof of their existence?

a reply to: Quantumgamer1776

Thanks! See, our land has a very large, stable sinkhole with little caves in it. You can stand IN the hole and no one from the area can see you. But you could easily see 3 houses and the movements of the residents. Plus sinkholes do weird things with sound.

I have no interest in "hunting" them as opposed to living with them in harmony.

I will look at the info you suggested.

a reply to: DAVID64

I don't.

But I am a professional tropical fish person. And I do know that we are nowhere close to discovering all the species of SNAILS out there, no less fish.

I also know on my land, every couple years, in winter, we find bones and partial skeletons from deer and other things. We never SAW these beings, yet there they were, 60 ft from my house. In a deep sinkhole area.

Forest animals eat bones and carcass FAST. Heck, I cannot find a paw paw in the afternoon after seeing one in the morning. I suspect dead Sasquatch gets devoured.

I am curious.

Has you friend actually seen that Bigfoot family or was he just repeating what someone else said?

You should consider installing some infrared cameras outside, you live in a great spot for it.

Good idee, put out a trail camera or two.....it could make you rich and flamous

a reply to: BlueShaman

Trail cameras use infrared censors, Sasquatch are mostly nocturnal and have a sensitivity to this light, this is why they effectively avoid trail cameras.

a reply to: BlueShaman

Truthfully, I don't want to scare them.
If turkey know when a camera is installed in an area, these guys will.

The Columbia story is so ubiquitous I have no doubt there is something going on. I have never seen one, but I don't care if I do. I have seen enough weird stuff in my life. If they decide I can see them, cool. I am more interested in co-existing with them.

a reply to: Quantumgamer1776

I have friends with trail cams all over the Ozarks. They acknowledge that a LOT of animals know when a cam is installed, or moved. They avoid it.

I am sure they know the whole area by scent. I know when something is off in the area by scent, and I am a human.

The Ozarks (and the Appalachians) are so dense and wooded, with caves and hollows, that I am sure there are species out there of all kinds of things.

I am listening to the Coonba podcast and I absolutely am sure there are different species. The ones around here are very secretive. They would not be roaring or rushing anyone. I also think they are scavengers, not hunters.

a reply to: Snippythehorse

I wish. But no. Once they are scared they will never come back.

a reply to: DAVID64

We're talking about an apex predator that's has literally evolved for the sole purpose of avoiding detection, not only of its prey(they are ambush predators), but also of its greatest threat, us. They are most likely the second most intelligent creature next to us and the woods is their natural habitat, they live in it day and night.

a reply to: Quantumgamer1776

very true. Also sasquatch aren't dumb animals like some may think. They take their dead and bury them. They don't leave their friends to rot and decompose in the woods. There's a two-fold effort at secrecy. They don't want to be discovered and make themselves known to all of us because of the potential reaction and the government doesn't want us to know of them for the same reasons. If you want evidence you've got to go out there yourself. That's just the way it is. Dismissive and lazy go hand in hand.

originally posted by: DAVID64
100s of years of legend, but no hides, no bones, nothing but blurry pictures, videos and recorded sounds that could be almost anything. How do you know there are different types, if no one has ever even shown positive proof of their existence?

DNA isn't positive proof?
DNA that tells us that there is an unknown species of ape living in North America?
Whether it was from a bigfoot or not it is still amazing to think there is an undetected and unknown primate living in our country. Not to mention the many different types of hair color strands dictating that there are different types.

Whats the smartest "animal" that exists? The one that hasn't been discovered yet.

Great reply Zeta:

These things may be us....they may be something else. I have read about them in other areas for the last few years. There are so many theories out there.

The people who study these for a long time seem to eventually find some paranormal connection and seem to get into psychic interactions, whether they know it or not. That is where Les Stroud is basically headed if you listen to some of his interviews.

I think your best bet, honestly, is to be yourself, be comfortable, respect them and learn your boundaries. They will let you know if you aren't welcome.

It seems like you are on that path already. Looking forward to hearing more.

The Sistine chapel has an image of the edomites.
Which leads back to Esau in the bible, Jacob's brother, covered in red hair.
The great mound builders of north america.
The red haired giants.
Lovelock cave in Nevada.
The minaret Skull.
The giant skeleton stories of the late 1800's.
Museums in London say more about the mound builders in NA then anything in NA (from what I have seen).
Its a deep topic in my mind and very rarely does it get the serious attention it deserves.

The second most intelligent creature next to us. No frakkin' way. This species (not creature) is way, way smarter than us. I've been in the habituator scene since 2004 and can tell you there's a lot going on you won't find on any website, and the people involved aren't telling just anybody about what they've experienced. Oh, sure, once upon a time they tried telling people in the spirit of cooperation, but some crazy frakkin' people from Honobia came around and that was that. No more outsiders.

But don't take my word for it. It's worth nothing. This is something you've got to see for yourself, and once you see it, do like Genesis and keep it dark.

Yes, that was code. Sorry.

originally posted by: 4003fireglo
The second most intelligent creature next to us. No frakkin' way.

I think what they meant is that Bigfoot do not build cars and amusement parks. Obviously they would be a lot smarter than us on their home turf.

Many habituator books....that stuff is deep.

People talk more and more about that stuff fireglo. I think its a little more out in the open now. You have to look for it and the mock shows seem to have started to wear down.

Then again I cut cable about 6 months ago so maybe that is because I see less of what is put out on NatGeo, Disc, etc.

Many similarities between the bigfoot phenomenon and the UFO phenomenon.

I don't have to look for it. I'm pretty emersed in it right now. You think the political forums are overrun with drama? Phew!

I think they're more intelligent than us because they don't have cars, shopping malls and MTV. Kind of like the dolphins in the Adamsverse.

Thinking on this more, why do we think they are 6 ft 9 inches and noisy, necessarily? The Hawaiian Menehune people are about 4 ft tall. Whatever specie we have here, they are probably lean, look like trees when standing still. They forage but not heavily, so they are very efficient at converting food to energy.

Menehune are very curious, and they like to watch humans do things. I was up near Waieleele (dense, thick cold jungle up on Kauai) and I was being watched while I photographed birds and drew. It was so still, I felt I was trapped in a dream. The beings who watched me were hiding on the steep side of a cliff. I did not see them but the feeling of being intensely watched was deep in my bones.

I started this thread to open up the idea of the Ozark region housing a decent population of species that are human-like.

As for UFOs, there were crop circles in Illinois in perhaps 2005 that NO ONE much worries about. The cops were like "yep".

A whole colony of UFOs could hide around here. The woods are dense and the people in the homes are not the type to be invasive.