Ladies; Get Your Birth Control NOW While You Still Can

a reply to: windword

Yes, because it's all about the autonomy of the woman, and their desire for free stuff..

Seriously, how ignorant, selfish, self-centered, and short-sighted can you get?

Is free contraception and birth control, REALLY worth all the real harm that the ACA is, and has been doing since it's passing?

The clueless retards who passed it brag and bang on about the "twenty million americans that are now insured", and while that is cool, it's done at the expense of people who can't afford to foot the bill...ya' know, the people like me, and the millions of other americans who get the big ugly shaft right up the proverbial pooper...and with no lube, either.

In my state, the governor opted to expand medicaid...i thought this was gonna be a great move, until i went to go get it, and found that i make JUST enough to where i don't qualify for it....so i'm still paying into it, but i can't have it. My union doesn't provide medical insurance for part-time employees, and i sure as hell can't afford the idiotically expensive "affordable" plans on offer from the ACA marketplace....and if by some odd stroke of luck, by doing away with things like food, clothing, rent, auto maintenance, and fuel, i COULD afford the ridiculous premium on the most bare-bones plan on offer, i'd never actually be able to USE the damned thing, because of the criminally high deductible...

So where does this leave me? It leaves me, and millions of other americans in a kind of predatory limbo zone where we can't get free insurance, can't afford the government mandated plans, so we have no choice but to be fined, in increasingly high amounts every year...and our only "crime" is being poor. seriously, how can anyone of even moderate intelligence think that this is a good thing?

But nobody talks about us.....because that would mean acknowledging that the ACA is a bad piece of legislation...and if enough people turn on it, it might go away, and then there goes the free stuff..

Again, i ask, is screwing over millions of your fellow citizens REALLY worth the free stuff?

Birth control is available for purchase....you can get condoms, pills, spermicidal lubes, IUDs, and various other BC methods...you just need to pay for them... there is also vasectomy, and tubal ligation....or, just stop f**king? :shrug:

All i'm saying is that there are options.

And abortion isn't completely off the table...however, honestly, let's be real, that really should only be a last resort thing....i personally believe that if you go get pregnant, and then decide, several months in, that you don't WANT to do this anymore, well screw you....having a kid isn't something you do on a whim, it's serious. At this point, you're SOL...if you don't want to be a parent, you can always put the kid up for adoption....it's not like you're making a steak, and you can decide to just bin it, because you've decided you'd rather have a salad.

pregnancy and abortion aren't lifestyle choices....it's not like body piercing, or changing your hair color..

Yes, you should have the choice to abort, but i should also have the choice NOT to purchase health insurance.

In any event. the ACA is a horrible piece of crap, and i'm glad it's going away...

a reply to: Daedalus

Yes, because it's all about the autonomy of the woman, and their desire for free stuff..

First of all, this thread isn't about free stuff. Is your health insurance free? If you're paying, say, $400 a month for health insurance, and you wife's lady needs are covered in your plan, how is that free?

Contraception and preventative health care/insurance isn't a new concept that Obama just pulled from his arse, it's been around for a long time.

Secondly, personal autonomy, your own personage is not a trifling right, in an inalienable right. Don't brush it off so easily.

Third, this thread isn't about the ACA at all. It's about the Trump and his administration's plan to overturn Roe V Wade, defund Planned Parenthood, funded through Title X, a federal grant system that addresses family planning, and the GOPs promise to enact a constitutional amendment that bestows citizen rights on a fertilized egg and criminalizes abortion and hormonal birth control methods, on the federal level. These are the GOP's wet dreams!

Yes, today there are lot's of options available. But what will be available to women after 4 years of Trump/Pence?

a reply to: CantStandIt

"Title X is at stake" Not true. No one is proposing overturning Title X. In fact, Title X specifically covers family planning services to reduce the number of abortions by preventing pregnancy to begin with.

Title X as we know it is, in my opinion is at stake. (Maybe I'm being a little hyperbolic) But....

Title X has been implemented for the past 40 plus years mostly through Planned Parenthood clinics and a spattering of low cost clinics. Defunding Planned Parenthood will, and already has in many states, cause a vacuum of accessible reproductive health care for women of little means. It will take years for another wide spread, accessible and affordable infrastructure like Planned Parenthood to organize and pick up the slack, and in many (very red) states, reproductive health care access for low income women doesn't seem to a very high priority on legislator's lists.

This is a really interesting and informative article about reproductive health care, Texas, Planned Parenthood and Title X:

The confluence of the widespread need for affordable health care—including sexual and reproductive health care—and neglectful or hostile state policies is particularly extreme in Texas. Moreover, because of the sheer size of the population, the impact is especially significant. The dynamics in Texas are not unique, however. Too many other states are going down the same path, potentially leading to similarly harsh consequences for the women and families who live there.

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Meanwhile, the cycle for the Title X grant administered by the state came to an end in 2013, which required the state to reapply and created the opportunity for other entities to apply. Ultimately, the Title X grant was awarded to the Women’s Health and Family Planning Association of Texas, instead of the Texas Department of State Health Services. For the first time, the state is not administering Title X funds, which means they are no longer subject to the tiered provider requirement.

The State of Sexual and Reproductive Health and Rights In the State of Texas: A Cautionary Tale

a reply to: Daedalus

welcome to the crack, longtime resident here!!!
the problems you are describing have been around a long time. what you are experiencing is the fact that the cost of the healthcare has increased enough to exceed your means... and yes, no one is talking about you, just like no one really talked much about me all these years. but, you have one advantage I never had. that is that obama has tinkered with the system, it's success is quite questionable, but still he tinkered. but you have a vast number of people, many of whom can still have access to the healthcare system that also think this law is crap. so when you speak out, at least you get a little support. that wasn't so with me. nope to everyone I was a whiner, a lazy do nothing, someone who just didn't work hard enough, someone who wanted my healthcare free!! I wasn't lazy, I limped into work every day, and unlike many, my work could have been calculated scientifically into a significant amount! I fell a few times at work, I limped quit often, I avoided going to the break room often because well, I didn't want to try to negotiate the stairs, I was fired from some jobs, quit some others, went nuts laying in a bed with a splint on my leg trying to find a surgeon that didn't want an insane down payment to do the operation that would allow me to walk again, and now, thank you so much!!! I can live the rest of my life handicapped, unable to really drive that far, unable to do alot of things!!! and with near constant pain!! so, ya, welcome to the crack, such a lovely place to be!!! just don't think that you were the first to be here or that obamacare was the reason you are here. you would have ended up here eventually anyways!

as for the birth control included in the health insurance, I am sorry, but it costs a heck of a lot less money to provide people with their birth control than it does to bring a child into the world and keep them healthy through their childhood! if paying out of pocket a women would end up paying around $50,000 through her childbearing years. for many working women, that can be around four years of her life that she is spending on just preventing birth, so she can keep working, so she can make sure the kids that she does have have food on the table!

and by god, if you are gonna make a danged law that says she has to buy into an insurance plan, that plan needs to acknowledge birth control as something worthy of being included in it!

The American people should bot be paying for Birth Control. It's policies like these that lead to 22 Trillion of debt.

originally posted by: Steak
The American people should bot be paying for Birth Control. It's policies like these that lead to 22 Trillion of debt.

Make the morning after bill legal over the counter and there would not be any problems other than moral ones. But let God sort that part out. We should let people make choices that they will regret in the afterlife. Who are we to judge. I'm not saying encourage bad behavior. But we should let people at least try to behave like responsible adults and keep the government out of people's lives.

a reply to: Steak

I bet our wars and bank bailouts have been a bigger factor in that debt!!!
birth control has probably done more to reduce it.

and, like I said before, there are valid health reasons why it's good for women to space their children apart and not have that many.
I also mentioned all those families back when I was a kid that had six or more kids!!! ya, if their moms didn't want kids they should have had sex. only, I am pretty sure that many of those mothers didn't want that many kids!!! obviously the "just don't have sex" didn't work for those MARRIED women!

a reply to: dfnj2015

the morning after pill is good for those occasional flings but doesn't seem to be the answer when it comes to married couples who have more than the occasional fling... for one thing, I think that it would be rather cost prohibitive. And, I really have my doubts about safety when it some to it being used to often over a month's time.

for those who think windword is worrying for no reason.. well, here is a ob/gyn expressing his worries...

www.self.com...

What someone does is more telling than what they say they will do, and what Trump has done is release his anti-choice manifesto via the Susan B. Anthony (SBA) List, a political action group dedicated to making abortion illegal. In the letter, Trump tells us that he has turned over the reins of his campaign’s “Pro-Life Coalition” to Marjorie Dannenfelser, an anti-choice activist and self-styled feminist. She is the current SBA List President, believes that “to lose the connection between sex and having children leads to problems,” and has stated erroneously that contraception and family planning are the cause of abortion.

In fact, the SBA List advances the lie that IUDs and emergency contraception are abortion. So, if these are the people he’s getting behind him, then yes, under a Trump Presidency those will be up for grabs too. Trump has very recently backed the idea of over-the-counter oral contraception, which, while fine safety-wise, sends a subliminal message to anti-choice employers (and anyone else who wants to dump birth control from their health plan) that he’s got their back. If insurers don’t have to pay for IUDs and injectable contraceptives, many will drop them, and without publicly funded clinics to make up the short fall, that leaves the most effective forms for birth control unaffordable for many women.

there is just too much information in the article for me to just quote, but is worth a read....
one interesting point in it is that he claims that maternal death rates doubled between 2010-2012 in texas. planned parenthood lost it's funding in texas just before that period.

Vegetables and fruit improve your life too. Should insurance pay for them? How about toothpaste, soap, asprin, etc. What about the air you breathe and the cleanliness of the home in which you live? Should insurance pay for them. Get the point? Unless the medicine or procedure is prescribed for a medical condition, it should not have to be covered by medical insurance. Not unless you want that $50 per month to exceed $50,000 per month.

Birth control and especially the pill are NOT prescribed to fix a condition...it is prescribed to prevent a condition that can be prevented in other manners. If the individual cares about not getting pregnant...they can find a way including the pill. If they are too lazy, don't care or don't want to pay for it...that is their problem.

originally posted by: VVV88
a reply to: windword

Women have control over their body. They can control themselves to not have sex if they don't want to get pregnant. What am I missing?

Because women become pregnant all by themselves. It's not like it takes a product produced by only men, to become pregnant or anything....

How about some responsibility on the male side?

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Actually I agree with everything you said. But this:

Birth control and especially the pill are NOT prescribed to fix a condition

Teen girls take them for acne treatment, believe it or not, and perimenopausal women take them to control complications pertaining to certain aspects of menses.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

LINK

here is all of the "preventive services" that are covered by insurance, many of which were before the affordable care act. many of them aren't treating any existing condition!
providing these things reduces the overall cost of the healthcare system since the prevent problems from occurring in the first place or detects them earlier when they can be treated easier.

read through it!! find a few other things to gripe about!

many women comes out of a pregnancy anemic and it might take over a year for her to establish the proper iron level... anemia in the mother can cause low birth babies, premature babies, severe problems in the mother during the pregnancy and delivery of the baby!! you are preventing a problem pregnancy from happening with a mother that does have a condition that makes pregnancy ill advised! women who had had many children, also are found to be more at risk of developing problems later in life. these are medical facts, not based on moral outrage or religious doctrines...
they are facts!!!

my god, people act like it's nothing to carry a child for nine months and bring it into the world....
it's nine months of sharing your nutrients with a developing human being, your bones might not get enough calcium, your teeth are more at risk of decay, your hormones are going wild, if you really care about the child you are carrying you might be settling for less effective medications for the health problems you do have.

if it doesn't deserve a place in the preventive medicine category, well, then there is a heck of alot of things on that list that should go first!!!

and, if you look hard enough guess what you will find???
ASPIRIN

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: SaturnFX

Will Trump make good on his promise to punish women who abort or use forbidden contraception methods?

You know, I was born 2 months early. The idea of a woman aborting me that late into the pregnancy when I'm a viable baby that can survive outside the womb on my own really bothers me. That's basically murder. Some women who abort should be punished.

That's very clearly what Trump was talking about in regards to restricting some kinds of abortion during the debates.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: SaturnFX

Yes, thank you, you're right. However, if the GOP gets its way, many of those forms, the IUD, Plan B, implants and The Pill will become illegal.

Please show actual evidence that they want to make birth control illegal.

a reply to: RedDragon

You know, I was born 2 months early. The idea of a woman aborting me that late into the pregnancy when I'm a viable baby that can survive outside the womb on my own really bothers me. That's basically murder. Some women who abort should be punished. That's very clearly what Trump was talking about in regards to restricting some kinds of abortion during the debates.

Trumps' an idiot!

No one is doing that! Roe V Wade weighs protection toward the unborn once viability is reached . Fetuses are aborted late term because they suffer from catastrophic health issues, are NOT viable and pose extreme health risks to the mother. NOBODY has or performs late term abortions because they got in a fight with their baby's daddy!

Late term abortions are ALWAYS heart wrenching tragedies to the families involved!

a reply to: ketsuko

Wrong.
Lies.
(Said in Trump's debate voice)

a reply to: coop039

they want us all to accept that life begins at conception and should be given all the rights of the living breathing human, including the women that carries it... they want that as an amendment even.

and to do that would wipe out the women's rights to most forms of birth control...

www.lifesitenews.com...

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: RedDragon

You know, I was born 2 months early. The idea of a woman aborting me that late into the pregnancy when I'm a viable baby that can survive outside the womb on my own really bothers me. That's basically murder. Some women who abort should be punished. That's very clearly what Trump was talking about in regards to restricting some kinds of abortion during the debates.

Trumps' an idiot!

No one is doing that! Roe V Wade weighs protection toward the unborn once viability is reached . Fetuses are aborted late term because they suffer from catastrophic health issues, are NOT viable and pose extreme health risks to the mother. NOBODY has or performs late term abortions because they got in a fight with their baby's daddy!

Late term abortions are ALWAYS heart wrenching tragedies to the families involved!

From wikipedia:

In 1987, the Alan Guttmacher Institute collected questionnaires from 1,900 women in the United States who came to clinics to have abortions. Of the 1,900 questioned, 420 had been pregnant for 16 or more weeks. These 420 women were asked to choose among a list of reasons they had not obtained the abortions earlier in their pregnancies. The results were as follows:[5]

71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
6% Woman didn't know timing is important
5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
11% Other

I hope you're right though. I hope EVERY late term abortion fits your profile. It's completely naive to think that EVERY late term abortion is done with only good intentions though. Those that don't fit your idealistic profile should be prosecuted.

Edit: I'm reading about Roe Vs Wade and you seem to be implying that Roe Vs Wade protects babies that are viable outside the womb unless the health of the baby or mother is an issue. That seems to be blatantly false.

From what I can tell, there seems to be many states where all kinds of late term abortions are legal. If that's the case, that needs to be stopped at the federal level. That's murder.

a reply to: RedDragon

16 weeks isn't late term. At 16 weeks the fetus is NOT viable. You said you were born 2 month early, that would make you a 28 week delivery. At that point Roe V Wade protects the unborn and abortion on demand is not an option.

Why are you giving me 1987 stats, and what does any of that have to do with Trump overturning Roe V Wade. defunding Planned Parenthood or the GOP enacting a fetal right to life amendment to the constitution that would outlaw abortion and many contraception methods?