Okay --- so WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Teikiatsu

Just in case you haven't seen it yet (which doesn't surprise me in the least) here is an explanation of how this works.

I can only assume you haven't seen it, and really have no idea how this all works.

Clinton won more votes. That's all there is to it.
And it's true. By about half a million votes.

MADTV

Your rebuttal is a comedy show. That I still haven't watched, because that rebuttal is ridiculous. Is this the length and breadth of your constitutional knowledge?

Trump won more Electoral Votes.

That's all there is to it.

Civics. Learn some.

EDIT - Here, I'll help you

a reply to: DBCowboy

As long as he doesn't impose Stop & Frisk... And as long as he doesn't make good on his promise to deport 11 million illegals... As long as he doesn't do any of the terrible things he wants to do to impact people's lives, then we can just keep living our lives... Hopefully he's just full of # on all those things.

OR

Hopefully you're white... and not sick. and have no worries about affording your own healthcare.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Aren't you a ray of sunshine!

I agree with stop & frisk. I think it's a violation of rights.

I think illegal aliens should be punished for breaking the law. It's like a meth dealer wanting to be called an "undocumented pharmacist".

I mean, you can protest. I encourage it, actually.

But life won't end.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
The next steps are to keep living our lives.

It's what everyone would have been doing if Hillary had been elected. Trump is no different.

Everyone can still be toxic and wail and moan and rend their shirts, but it really will have no impact on hat Trump chooses to do.

Live our lives. Have no impact. .... but elections do have consequence. My son's good friend would still be alive today, if he hadn't died in Bush's Iraq War. Other of his friends would not still have shrapnel in their bodies, or have suffered terrible ptsd if they hadn't fought in Iraq. People I know would not have lost their homes or their retirement savings, if financial institutions had not been allowed free reign in the 2000s.

What happens in Washington has consequences.

a reply to: desert

Government has always impacted our lives, often for the worse.

Like every other person on the planet, we endure government. There is no magic politician that will make everything perfect.

You either adjust, adapt, overcome. . . . or you don't.

a reply to: DBCowboy

As much as it pains me to acknowledge your contribution, I will respond to it and say that I HAVE BEEN ENCOURAGING EVERYONE to calm down, get on with it, find a balance, have some faith.

But NNNnnnoooooo! No! NO! You're all continuing with the jibes and barbs and insults and ha-ha!!ss.....
and it's truly revolting.

It's deplorable.

Own it, or stop it. Up to you.

I am doing my damned level best to stay supportive to all of my social circle who are either shell-shocked, petrified, angst-ridden, or catastrophizing this whole thing. And you know why?

Because TRUMP and BANNON/Breitbart and JONES and WTFISTHISGUY!!!!

No. It's not okay. And you can now encourage calm after the bonfire you joyously and gleefully lit has now horrifically exploded in your own faces.....and YOU get to own it.

YOU GET TO OWN IT.

Had fun all these years deriding liberals and Obama supporters? Have ya? Yes, you have.

Now watch what happens.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I agree with stop & frisk.

YAY FOR YOU!!! YOu know the maestro who invented it is Kansas's own boy Kris Kobach? Did you know that? Woot!!!!!

I think it's a violation of rights.

Absolutely! ANd so you agree with it!!! Whenever you can get away with it, DO IT!!!! Violate other people's rights!
They aren't bothering you personally, but GODDAMMIT THEY ARE BREAKING LAWS that I never broke, and that they did it because they had no choice but that or to die in a dusty ranchito somewhere after watching all of their family die too ----- that's so lost on you, that you are like, well screw that! Who gives a rat's ass about them? VIOLATE THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS because.........!

erm....THEY VIOLATED MINE!!!!






Really? Erm, no. They did NOT violate your rights.


Figures that you'd be fine and dandy violating theirs.

I think illegal aliens should be punished for breaking the law.

Sent back to the death camp ranchitos that are wasting away due to capitalistic non-interference and refused assistance!!!! YEAH! Nice.

Also, don't you agree? Don't you think that pregnant women who aren't prepared to care for their children should be forced to have those children, whether they be deformed, utterly unwanted, suffering from catastrophic genetic accidents or not? And then left to languish and die because you aren't going to be bothered to care for those babies you DEMANDED them to carry to term and deliver?

Or......Are you prepared to take care of those BABIES after you force their mothers to deliver them into your cold, dead hands? NO OF COURSE YOU AREN'T! That would be a violation of your rights to expect you to do such a heinous thing!!! I am aghast!!!!

It's like a meth dealer wanting to be called an "undocumented pharmacist".

I'd get you a frame for it, but can't afford it.







If you truly believe all of this you are more truly depraved, malignant, and lost than I ever imagined. Bad rash tumor. Treatment-resistant.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

Because TRUMP and BANNON/Breitbart and JONES and WTFISTHISGUY!!!!

Because Democrats, Liberals and Progressives have spent the last decade creating a false image, a facade, a *strawman* description of their ideological opponents, and have convinced themselves that this figment of their imagination exists.

And now they are scared of their own boogeyman, and are having temper tantrums, and holding their breath until they get their way. Acting like they can pout their way into power again.

Like the children they are.

Pardon, I wasn't clear. I agree that "stop & frisk" is a violation of rights and should not be done.

And I do take responsibility for Trump.

I voted for him.

I wish like hell the weaklings who voted for Obama owned every damned mess he brought.

This is not the Mud Pit!!!!!!!!

So....knock it off!
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Please. I'd be happy to c/p them in a numbered fashion if you'd like.

Please feel free to do so. I will address whatever you want to ask.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

I've changed my mind. I've already said all I have to say until you address the things I wrote above.
I'm not going to repeat myself after all.

You are capable of reading, composing sentences, and getting ideas across just fine. So am I.
Review the previous posts where I mentioned those items, and address them. Or don't.

If you choose not to, I will presume that I am absolutely correct on all of those understandings I have of how you all think. If those are NOT the things you believe, then it's on you to clarify for me.

I am asking for clarification, in writing, clearly addressing my concerns. Line items, if you like. You know how to pick apart a post and respond to each declarative statement with "correct I do think that", or "no, that's inaccurate, rather I think this: [your thoughts here]."

I'm moving on. This nation will dissolve if this "dream team" of his gets into positions of power like he's talking about. It's like ISIS. And you all are fine with it.

If you're not, then prove it. Speak up about how the rest of us (the majority of voters) who did NOT want him are afraid for no reason. People are afraid for their lives. The vipers he's inviting into his fortress are villains, and so is he.
We will become a fascist dictatorship on par with China. Oh joy.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I've changed my mind. I've already said all I have to say until you address the things I wrote above.

It's hard to address rambling.

I just looked back over the last two pages. Somehow, we went from a good conversation to a lot of rambling declarations based on emotional responses. I'll try, in the spirit of good faith, to address that. I consider it a major issue. If you want other allegations addressed, you'll have to clarify them. I can't read your mind.

There seems to be a major difference in the thought processes between the two sides on this election. From my viewpoint, I believe people all deserve respect until such time as they demonstrate that they are incapable of returning that respect. That goes for everyone, regardless of skin color, gender, opinions, preferences, hair color, clothing choice... period. I define that respect as an initial willingness to assume the other person is sincere and reasonable.

As an example, if I read a post that appears to be insulting, I will stop and re-read it. I will try to see if maybe I am looking at the context wrong. Maybe it was a poor choice of words. I'm looking for something, anything, to help me believe the post was not intended to be insulting. That is respect. I am trying to justify what I think I read because I don't want to believe the person who wrote it is as bad as the post made them seem.

Now, if after some conversation I am completely unable to find anything redeeming in their words, even after those mental gymnastics, then I lose respect for that person. But by that time, there are plenty of specific instances I can cite to prove my decision accurate.

The disconnect comes when that simple principle of mutual respect is lost, ie, when one is prejudged without consideration to try and understand them. As a good example, let's consider Barron. You have claimed that he was racist... I asked for specifics on that claim. That was not a ploy; I really know almost nothing about him, nor about Breitbart. You responded that he called some people 'dykes.' OK, I accept that.

But that is not enough if I am to allow him the same respect I allow others... the same respect I feel I have allowed you. For me to make that leap to "Bannon is a racist," I need to know more. Was he speaking publicly? Did he intend the word to be insulting? Is it a slip of the tongue? Is there a pattern of such language? Are there any actions against gay people, or only words? If I do not give him the same consideration I would give others before denouncing him, then I am being unfair and biased.

You did not give me that kind of information. Instead, you gave me more labels applied to him by others and wild predictions about his future actions.

My response was to ask you to calm down, so I could get more information. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt... maybe she's just upset, maybe she mistook something I wrote, maybe she's having a rough day. I tried to show you respect. I saw hope for the conversation when you offered to restate your concerns.

But you have shown me none of that respect in return. You have even accused me of hating you and your family. You accused me of rejecting prayer... something I have never done and never will do. That was particularly insulting to me because I take prayer seriously. And while I am still trying to excuse those things in my mind, it is getting harder and harder to do so. Especially when you rejected your own offer after I accepted.

This is the disconnect I have been trying to get across. I show respect; I get disrespect. A week from now, you may engage me in discussion again. Will you then return disrespect for respect again? What about two weeks from now? A month from now?

Eventually, all the mental gymnastics in the world won't be enough to justify the observed actions.

I have watched this sort of disrespect grow for many years. And I have watched it merge with hypocrisy. I can't count how many times during this campaign I have heard "Trump refused to denounce David Duke's endorsement; he agrees with the KKK!" I personally watched him denounce the endorsement 3 separate times on national TV. And not a word was said about Hillary's close relationship with Robert Byrd or her endorsement from William Quigg... both major KKK members/supporters.

That is hypocrisy.... that is disrespect.

That cheapens the "racist" argument and means I need to see much more than an accusation.

Now if you have more information on Bannon to present, I am still willing to look at it. But I need more than "Billy-Bob Bigshot said so." I need actions. Real, solid, obvious actions. The labels aren't enough any more.

If not... well, I guess I'll find out on my own what kind of person he seems to be. Thanks for playing.

TheRedneck

Whenever Kellyanne Conway has been asked about Trump govt appointments, she has used this curious phrase , "form our federal government", as if the federal govt needs to be re-formed, made into something new.

It seems to me that she is referring to the Koch economic and conspiratorial ideologies that were fully inserted into the Republican Party by their silent coup. It is officially now the party of the Koch Bros and their John Birch Society (via Alex Jones, etal).

As I heard and agree with, "regulations will now be taken off the corporations and be put on people". While individual pieces of legislation must be worked on, it is this bloodless coup that now must be pushed back at every turn. We need to stop this group from re-forming a govt that they believe is now rightly theirs with a "mandate" to re-form.

To paraphrase what Powell told GW Bush re Iraq, "You are going to be the proud owner of 320 million people. You will own all their hopes, aspirations, and problems. You'll own it all." Kellyanne, Donald, it is not YOUR govt to form.

originally posted by: desert
"You are going to be the proud owner of 320 million people. You will own all their hopes, aspirations, and problems. You'll own it all."

Unfortunately, that also applies here to America.

I don't bury my head in the sand. I'm not one of Trump's "Home Sweet Homer's" - - that just want their jobs, their home, their family, their guns, and 50's America.

I'm a Progressive Globalist that realizes we are on an insignificant rock in the middle of a violent universe - - - and not working together as a whole, One Planet, is just really stupid.

Of course, to some, that makes me a Liberal (rolls eyes).

I see an "every man for himself" future, and I am raising my grandson to be significant in his adult world. Hopefully, I can inject some humanity into him too.

@Redneck:

Do not mistake my absence for indifference. My internet is intermittently off due to wind.
I've composed more than one thoughtful and sincere response and have lost it.

Quick note: I am disrespectful of Donald Trump. I can not understand how any person who cares about the needy in this nation can support him. Hence -

avail yourself to your satisfaction of the truth about Bannon by searching out non-partisan sources. If none are available, search out the most vile of each side you can find. Decide on the man's character before continuing our conversation. I'm not his spokesperson, and certainly "Billy Big-Shot" is what you would call my assessment anyway.

If you don't feel "respected" by my candor, that is perhaps your problem and not mine. The Trump supporters on this site have been vicious for the last 18 months, and frankly I don't trust that you are approaching me even-handedly. Instead, it feels like bait.

In future, recognize that those who felt "never Trump" have not all jumped ship to the traitor's side yet.
His "interviews" of this week have been historic, and the people he is choosing to appoint are from the most liberal-hating right wing that exists.

Those people are hateful of liberals. Many many ATS members are hateful of liberals routinely. The poison spread around here is deep and pernicious. My OP was - what next?

For you to explain to me how you can support this man in the face of the human rights he is planning to eradicate is the most important thing right now.