maybe she's not so bad

I know that the U.S. is too great for any one person to destroy. It can only be dismantled part by part over time, which is happening by both parties. I put the Clintons in the same league as the Bush's. No matter the R or D... the goals are pretty much the same in my eyes. Why else would G.H.W. throw his hat in Clinton's ring in this circus?

Trump is the sideshow.

But yes... Hillary CAN be that bad and probably will be since I believe she will continue this crazy course filled with wars and uncertainty.

I'd rather vote in the sideshow. At least he is different than the 3 ring circus we have been witness to for 2 or 3 decades now.

JMHO

Well, the truth is that she ISN'T nearly as bad as the alt-right media (which spent the last two weeks fabricating hit pieces out of thin air) would have us believe.

However, it's true she never should have had that private server. Also, she never should have given preferential treatment to CF donors.

But the vast majority of the crap the right has been lobbing at her for years is complete BS.

I mean, right now there are threads linking her to child sex trafficking allegations, which is based on hysterical nonsense. And there were so many emails taken out of context.

If anything, those emails prove how much cleaner she was than anyone on the right suspected, not that you'll have get her haters to admit that.

a reply to: Annee

Have you not been reading the leaked emails?

This isn't solely the GOP. This is wikileaks, anonymous, the FBI, and other people in the government and intelligence community.

I truly would like to understand those that still defend Hillary - I am here with an open mind if someone can at least give a shred of evidence that her emails, her connections, her international bribes, etc - Are only a conspiracy to thwart her.

If someone has made an intelligent thread with such proof, links debunking emails showing they are not authentic, showing that the Clinton Foundation truly is just a good charity, etc... I'll honestly listen to it.

But I'm not holding my breath. I've not seen one logical, well presented thread for her so far - Obviously it wouldn't likely make it to the top page even if it does exist, though, so please show me this thread or evidence if it exists, or explain your continued support, if you don't mind - I have an open mind, I just really am against her for now based on all evidence I can personally see.

She's going to work. We know that.
She's not going to quit. We know that.
She really does care about families and kids. We know that.

She's smart. Lawyer, law professor, first lady of Arkansas, first lady of the U.S.,, senator, Secretary of state. Who has that resume' ?

I'm pretty sure it's going to be ok.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Annee

Have you not been reading the leaked emails?

Let me know when I can compare them to the leaked GOP emails.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Annee

Have you not been reading the leaked emails?

This isn't solely the GOP. This is wikileaks, anonymous, the FBI, and other people in the government and intelligence community.

I truly would like to understand those that still defend Hillary - I am here with an open mind if someone can at least give a shred of evidence that her emails, her connections, her international bribes, etc - Are only a conspiracy to thwart her.

If someone has made an intelligent thread with such proof, links debunking emails showing they are not authentic, showing that the Clinton Foundation truly is just a good charity, etc... I'll honestly listen to it.

But I'm not holding my breath. I've not seen one logical, well presented thread for her so far - Obviously it wouldn't likely make it to the top page even if it does exist, though, so please show me this thread or evidence if it exists, or explain your continued support, if you don't mind - I have an open mind, I just really am against her for now based on all evidence I can personally see.

Like I said, a lot of the emails were taken completely out of context, better than 90% of them. This would be easier if you can point to the emails that you think prove something, so we can comment specifically on what's got you thinking the case against her is so strong.

There are three, maybe four things in those emails that are interesting.... The rest, not so much.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that she deleted emails when she knew she shouldn't. That to me is the single most damning piece of evidence against her. But this ORGY OF EVIDENCE tossed about by alt-right for the last few weeks is mostly nonsense.

originally posted by: Sillyolme

I'm pretty sure it's going to be ok.

And I'm pretty sure she's learned some tough lessons.

Which she will not repeat.

a reply to: Annee

Why is it a comparison game now?

Hillary is thought to have responsible for the deaths of people, being a pedophile, had the media and DNC backing her all along, takes favors from other nations, even our enemies... ETC...

I honestly don't believe the GOP/RNC is much better, though. This isn't a statement of "Choose the GOP instead"

More a statement of " Deny people that are this corrupt, the GOP included "

Donald Trump is a babbling baboon for the most part, but it doesn't mean he's guilty of all of these terrible things. I do not however support him, either - I don't support the Fed at all as is.

So, why should I accept her form of corruption above someone else?

a reply to: jtoj123

Yeah , I Guess so . The Plague wasn't that Bad Either . Once you Dropped Dead from it your Worries were Over ........

a reply to: Annee

Fingers crossed for a cooperative house tomorrow.

I think she's extraordinary.
No one's perfect.
But she's a real hard worker.
She doesn't make excuses or blame others. Or cry about how it's not fair.
She's a pull yourself up by the bootstraps kind of girl.
And she's not afraid to get her hands dirty.
Tomorrow will be an historic day for this country and I couldn't be prouder.

originally posted by: Greggers

Like I said, a lot of the emails were taken completely out of context, better than 90% of them. This would be easier if you can point to the emails that you think prove something, so we can comment specifically on what's got you thinking the case against her is so strong.

That's what I've said all along.

I've worked for some corporate Biggie Wigs. All kinds of crap flew back and forth via emails.

Anyone reading it, that was not privy to the entire context of what was going on - - - could "cherry pick it".

What I saw was "business as usual" - - - a lot of strategic think tank type stuff. "Throw ideas out - - throw them back - - throw them at different people - - gather ideas of what will work and what won't. Stuff like that.

a reply to: Sillyolme

This will be good....

a reply to: Annee

Yeah. I hope it doesn't make her too wary of being strong..

You know what I mean?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Annee

Fingers crossed for a cooperative house tomorrow.

I think she's extraordinary.
No one's perfect.
But she's a real hard worker.
She doesn't make excuses or blame others. Or cry about how it's not fair.
She's a pull yourself up by the bootstraps kind of girl.
And she's not afraid to get her hands dirty.
Tomorrow will be an historic day for this country and I couldn't be prouder.

I agree with you.

And, of course, we know its not a Done Deal - - until it is.

I used to listen to Coast to Coast every night. I remember guests on that had worked with Hillary. They only had good things to say about her. How intelligent she was, how hard she worked, etc.

I don't remember any extremists bashing her. There probably was, but I don't remember - - - but, they hadn't worked with her.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Annee

Yeah. I hope it doesn't make her too wary of being strong..

You know what I mean?

Oh Hell Yeah! I hope she kicks butt.

Let people complain she acts like a radical feminist.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Annee

Why is it a comparison game now?

I don't do one sided.

You seem to think its perfectly fine though.

Could we be so lucky as for her to be so excited, (high on speed that is), that her health fails her?

Then we'd be stuck with Kaine, eff'n DNC!

Moar hacks!

DNC Primary...

"Release your Wall Street paid speeches transcripts so we can put all this to bed and have clarity."

"You know what, I'll release them when everyone else releases theirs!"

"But you're running against Bernie not everyone else and he doesn't have any to release."

"....Crickets -- then awkward laughter"

That's not a leader folks

originally posted by: jtoj123
It might be only because i have a strong disliking for Trump but I have started to like Hillary a little and am thinking she might not be so bad. There's a good chance I am wrong but I am going to give her a little benefit of doubt and see how she does as president. Do you guys think there is any chance she is not so bad and if not how can you or any of us know when any information we have to base our opinions is likely to be biased.

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It depends on what you want. For Democrats who are interested in environmental and social issues and who want taxes lowered and who DON'T want to see every relative of hers put into office at a huge salary (as Trump has said he would do with his kids), she's a winner.

She's fought for social issues that I care about. She's got policy plans (which may get eaten by a Republican congress) for disabled Americans. The top military advisors and generals think she can be trusted with state secrets and with the codes for the nuclear weapons.

She's on good terms with many diplomats and foreign leaders. She doesn't start Twitter fights at 3 am and she doesn't have a hair-trigger temper. She can talk coherently without a teleprompter.

She doesn't say one thing in a speech and then deny saying it fifty minutes after the speech.

I think she'll have a worse time of it than Obama, and he had it pretty rough. Bill's on a tight leash now and any misstep will be magnified so they will both live openly and very carefully.

Will she be perfect? No. But she'll continue the progress we've made during Obama's term (much to the disappointment of those who want to return to the 1950's).

I voted for her and am hoping she wins.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: jtoj123

My health insurance just doubled to more than the cost of my mortgage.

ouch
that is terrible