Hillary sent 'marked classified' info to nonsecure Abedin email account

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Lol our spooks line up secure comms all the time, and in the worst of situations.

No they don't. To transmit classified data you're supposed to use the US's secure communication system which requires a satellite uplink and a direct wired connection to the transmitter. It's not very practical for sending/receiving emails on the go.

a reply to: Aazadan

so you get the gear spec for the job which you have to ask for

or you do jack squat like she did, which incidentally is illegal


lol direct wired connection to the transmitter
you watch to many transformer movies

our spooks can handle the job no problem

a reply to: introvert

The reason some aren't classified is because Obama never appointed an inspector general to SOS, they have to be physically marked with a header but how could they if no one ever sees them and they're all in Hillarys basement

And remember she signed a sf312 which sais classified material is classified whether it has a header or not.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
lol direct wired connection to the transmitter
you watch to many transformer movies

All wireless connections are insecure. Even if the data sent over it is encrypted, the encrypted information can still be recorded and decryption can be attempted later. That's why you need to use a wired connection for something to be secure.

a reply to: Aazadan

This is the phone NSA suggested Clinton use: A $4,750 Windows CE PDA SME PED devices were only NSA-approved mobile phones for classified communications.

arstechnica.com...

When former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was pushing to get a waiver allowing her to use a BlackBerry like President Barack Obama back in 2009, the National Security Agency had a very short list of devices approved for classified communications. It was two devices built for the Secure Mobile Environment Portable Electronic Device (SME PED) program. In fact, those devices were the only thing anyone in government without an explicit security waiver (like the one the president got, along with his souped-up BlackBerry 8830) could use until as recently as last year to get mobile access to top secret encrypted calls and secure e-mail.

Answers are available
you just need look
or if you are SOS ask

originally posted by: ssenerawa
a reply to: introvert

The reason some aren't classified is because Obama never appointed an inspector general to SOS, they have to be physically marked with a header but how could they if no one ever sees them and they're all in Hillarys basement

And remember she signed a sf312 which sais classified material is classified whether it has a header or not.

That has nothing to do with this case. The emails came from a CF employee and it was not created by/for or controlled by the US government.

a reply to: introvert

Hillary is guilty as day, they just need to find intention somewhere in these 650,000 emails.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
Answers are available
you just need look
or if you are SOS ask

Was she using that device? I was under the impression she was using a special Blackberry like Obama did, which was something they weren't able to secure.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ssenerawa
a reply to: introvert

The reason some aren't classified is because Obama never appointed an inspector general to SOS, they have to be physically marked with a header but how could they if no one ever sees them and they're all in Hillarys basement

And remember she signed a sf312 which sais classified material is classified whether it has a header or not.

That has nothing to do with this case. The emails came from a CF employee and it was not created by/for or controlled by the US government.

You keep conveniently leaving out the most pertinent fact here.

After the email was sent by Blumenthal, HRC then *forwarded* that email to Huma Abedin's non-secure yahoo account.

Those pesky facts, I know...

Better get used to those pesky facts though, as they - and only they - will determine the outcome here.

Your wishes do not and your belief of those facts is not required.

She forwarded it to a yahoo email?

We all know how secure yahoo is...

money.cnn.com...

a reply to: Riffrafter

After the email was sent by Blumenthal, HRC then *forwarded* that email to Huma Abedin's non-secure yahoo account.

If it is not classified government material, she can forward them to whomever she wants.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Riffrafter

After the email was sent by Blumenthal, HRC then *forwarded* that email to Huma Abedin's non-secure yahoo account.

If it is not classified government material, she can forward them to whomever she wants.

But as Secretary of State - and a classifying authority in her own right - she knew (or clearly should have known) that the info should have been classified. Not to mention the existence of the server itself is a crime from which said email was sent.

How much more do you need before you take your head out of the sand? Seriously...

Bottom line, she's either a criminal or criminally incompetent.

Those pesky, pesky facts...

a reply to: Riffrafter

Why should it have been classified? Just because it's classified now, doesn't mean a reason existed to classify it then.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Riffrafter

Why should it have been classified? Just because it's classified now, doesn't mean a reason existed to classify it then.

Did you read the email?

It's plain as day.

a reply to: Riffrafter

I did. I don't see the issue.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

That is not a smoking gun by any means.

That CONFIDENTIAL marking, although very similar to an official government classification marking doesn't mean squat coming from Blumenthal.

This is nothing. And I can't stand Hillary.

You are confusing two things.... one is that great big "CONFIDENTIAL" in the middle of the page means nothing. That was put there by Blumenthal.

The fact that the email was later classified "CONFIDENTIAL" by the reviewing person does not always mean that the information was classified when originated. According to Comey, some emails were "up-classified", which apparently means they were not classified at the time of transmission but were deemed classified at the time of review. This is not the same thing as "retroactively classified" which was previously claimed for the last year by some Hillary defenders. The FBI also noted that a significant number of the emails were deemed to be classified when sent and received, including some from Hillary herself.

Hope that makes sense.

Your example isn't proof unless you know which exact emails where deemed classified when sent and which ones were "up-classified". As far as I know, there is no way to distinguish that.

There is more if you look into the Intelligence Community complaining that Blumenthal copied some of their classified briefings word for word and sent them to Hillary. Nothing ever came of that. Too much immunity passed out like candy.

a reply to: introvert
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: ssenerawa
a reply to: introvert

The reason some aren't classified is because Obama never appointed an inspector general to SOS, they have to be physically marked with a header but how could they if no one ever sees them and they're all in Hillarys basement

And remember she signed a sf312 which sais classified material is classified whether it has a header or not.

That has nothing to do with this case. The emails came from a CF employee and it was not created by/for or controlled by the US government.

That is total BS. The email has been clearly marked classified by the US government. You're blowing smoke. Again.

Just bring up the old thread.. no need to rehash this again... and prove you dead wrong,,, again.

Or are you going back out into fantasy land where you imagine that Hillary sends emails from 7am-5pm as Secretary of State but sends classified data as a Clinton Foundation employee from 5pm-9pm and the information she sends or receives can not possibly be classified because it is not produced for or by the government during the 7am-5pm time frame but rather in the fantasy 5-9pm where she is not Secretary of State? Do you not understand that Hillary Clinton was an official representative of the US Government?

Once classified information came into possession of Hillary who was acting Secretary of State, it was US property. In any circumstance. From the day she took the oath until the day her term was up, anything and I mean ANYTHING that she did, said, wrote, typed, emailed, whatever that was classified was property of the US Government during that time frame 24/7/365.

a reply to: RickinVa

That is total BS. The email has been clearly marked classified by the US government. You're blowing smoke. Again.

It wasn't marked classified by the US government until 4 years after it was sent.

Or are you going back out into fantasy land where you imagine that Hillary sends emails from 7am-5pm as Secretary of State but sends classified data as a Clinton Foundation employee from 5pm-9pm and the information she sends or receives can not possibly be classified because it is not produced for or by the government during the 7am-5pm time frame but rather in the fantasy 5-9pm where she is not Secretary of State?

What the hell are you talking about? I've never said any such thing.

Do you not understand that Hillary Clinton was an official representative of the US Government?

Yes, but that alone does not mean the email should have been classified. It was not created by/for or controlled by the US government.

Once classified information came into possession of Hillary who was acting Secretary of State, it was US property. In any circumstance. From the day she took the oath until the day her term was up, anything and I mean ANYTHING that she did, said, wrote, typed, emailed, whatever that was classified was property of the US Government during that time frame 24/7/365.

That is true. In this case, it was not classified government material.

Nevermind.

The end of Hillary is very near now and this will all soon be history.


Just not worth wasting my time.

Inauguration Day is still a long ways off.