What to do with the Ancient Aliens ?

a reply to: Harte

Where there is no evidence to support a claim, the claim is bogus.

it was not a claim I was questioning there is a difference. Look I get it basically you say 'bogus bogus bogus' in all it's variety on every argument I have.....
The point is it that there have been and are still many Archeologists that question human history and some of them after visiting Kola came to the conclusion that there was more to those sites that meets the eye.I know a little about the Russian stance of things and can say that there is still a debate how to interpret findings.

You already know ? Now that's what I call hubris.

Look I've absolutely no objection if you say 'I think it's bogus' which is relative but calling things 'bogus' absolute all the time makes me wonder....

a reply to: Harte

I must say I am so impressed to finally meet The Source Of Truth, right here on the internet.

a reply to: Harte

I can agree with it that the head binding is an archaic way to separate a group from another, like tattoos and uniforms and such. Makes sense rulers would want to be as different as possible from others, "you could never make my job, I am special. Seen my head?"

But I don't know what to say to you about the other stuff that is all really a secondary interest of mine. Point seems to be history is entirely bogus. Made up by the people with power.
Habsburger.
There are rumours 300 years of it are entirely made up.
So I am not arguing they could not have used sledges. Or there has to be an involved outside force. Just saying, your certainty seems inappropriate.

originally posted by: frenchfries
a reply to: Harte

Where there is no evidence to support a claim, the claim is bogus.

it was not a claim I was questioning there is a difference. Look I get it basically you say 'bogus bogus bogus' in all it's variety on every argument I have.....

An odd thing to say when you have made no argument. I've been trying to get you to, but you refuse.
Your argument is "YouTube, ergo aliens."

originally posted by: frenchfriesThe point is it that there have been and are still many Archeologists that question human history and some of them after visiting Kola came to the conclusion that there was more to those sites that meets the eye.I know a little about the Russian stance of things and can say that there is still a debate how to interpret findings.

No, the point is EVERY Archaeologist questions human history. If there were no question, there would be no Archaeology.
Please list the Archaeologists that came to Kola and proposed ancient aliens or ancient unknown civilizations. Maybe if you do that, I can find out on my own exactly what you think this evidence is, since you won't type it out.

originally posted by: frenchfriesYou already know ? Now that's what I call hubris.

Look I've absolutely no objection if you say 'I think it's bogus' which is relative but calling things 'bogus' absolute all the time makes me wonder....

What makes me wonder is the fact that you won't give me a single piece of evidence. I have to assume that you know you don't have any. Am I wrong?

Harte

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: Harte

I must say I am so impressed to finally meet The Source Of Truth, right here on the internet.

Straw man. And a lame one at that.
I am A source for facts. I make no claim of truth.
If I've offended your sensibilities, why don't you provide a piece of evidence that you consider me to have called bogus that you believe is not.
I mean, it's a cinch frenchfries ain't gonna do it.

Harte

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Harte

I can agree with it that the head binding is an archaic way to separate a group from another, like tattoos and uniforms and such. Makes sense rulers would want to be as different as possible from others, "you could never make my job, I am special. Seen my head?"

Some of it is for the sake of a particular society's view of beauty.
link to pic
link to another pic

originally posted by: PeepleBut I don't know what to say to you about the other stuff that is all really a secondary interest of mine. Point seems to be history is entirely bogus. Made up by the people with power.
Habsburger.

No doubt about it, we don't know every detail of history. But I can tell you this, we certainly do know a lot more than we ever have. We know some history better than several ancient cultures did. And in some cases we know more now than was known a few hundred years after an historic era. For example, we know more about Sumerian myths than the Greeks did.
But no, we don't (and never will) know fine details about events. Just the events themselves. And their approximate dates.

originally posted by: PeepleThere are rumours 300 years of it are entirely made up.
So I am not arguing they could not have used sledges. Or there has to be an involved outside force. Just saying, your certainty seems inappropriate.

I've not addressed any certainty about the past here. I'm stating facts about claims I've investigated. I'm no historian. But I know and can show you where Von Daniken lied. Same for Hancock, Sitchen, Childress et al.

THAT is a certainty. The claims of evidence for ancient aliens is bogus.

Harte

Still not seeing the connection of life on other plants equals ancient visitation. They are not mutually inclusive.

One, the whole goldilocks thing.

Two, then life has do developed into intelligent life. Took earth about 4 billion years.

Three, have to have the drive to explore space.

Four, developed the technology to space travel.

Five, have the resources to space travel.

Six, have the intelligence and discipline not to destroy themselves while developing the technology to explore space.

a reply to: Harte

What makes me wonder is the fact that you won't give me a single piece of evidence.

Look man , how can I give you 'evidence'. Do you know what the protocol is regarding scientific evidence on ATS ? I dont ,please tell me.

a reply to: Harte

THAT is a certainty. The claims of evidence for ancient aliens is bogus.

thats partially true but ,This doesn't imply that there exists no evidence. Ancient Aliens Is a plausible hypothesis that many archeologists still adhere even outside America.

a reply to: frenchfries

1 I'M just asking people on ATS to consider Ancient Alien hypothesis a pausible explanation for the incomplete probably wrong interpretation of many Artefacts and Archeological sites. 2 I'm asking people to dicern between Ancient Alien the show and the Ancient Alien hypothesis. 3 My views regarding the subject are subjective I know that your views regarding the subject also [u/]

very reasonable
The illusion of knowledge holds us back

Ancient aliens the show is drip feed for the masses
its entertaining angle

what natural science could explain ancient aliens..?
if all gods started as men...?
how does one become a god ?

i would use stone antenna
.......

a reply to: neutronflux

The universe stretches in each direction. There are parts of it, galaxies, dark matter stuff that's much older than we are.
Who says we are the most comfortable "realm of existence" science has to move from what we know, but there could be life invisible to us.

The illusion of knowledge holds us back
Ancient aliens the show is drip feed for the masses
its entertaining angle

Indeed I had a huge hangover regarding the show. I guess most people have had this also. But abandoning Ancient Alien Hypothesis because of a show ? Well I think thats the wrong thing to do.

Whatever happened in the past it's much more interesting than archeologists want us to believe. Ancient Aliens might/or might not be but a small part in that.

Greetings.

a reply to: frenchfries

Whatever happened in the past it's much more interesting than archeologists want us to believe. Ancient Aliens might/or might not be but a small part in that.

and far simpler....
natural science masquerading as magic

www.egipto.com...

originally posted by: frenchfries
a reply to: Harte

THAT is a certainty. The claims of evidence for ancient aliens is bogus.

thats partially true but ,This doesn't imply that there exists no evidence. Ancient Aliens Is a plausible hypothesis that many archeologists still adhere even outside America.

Why should anyone believe this? You won't name any.

Harte

a reply to: kibric

natural science masquerading as magic

Thanks for the link I read it still digesting...

Personal Opinion (science and magic(K)):

However In my 'worldview' in which our reality is a simulation of a larger reality science doesn't contradict magic(k?) but is just the subset of causal related rules within that simulation. Magic(k?) however is a larger set that does include the 'causal effects and laws discovered by science' as well as non causal related events within the simulation. As a result of that 'worldview' Magic(k) and natural science on a more fundamental level (a level beyond the simulation) the same.

a reply to: Harte

Why should anyone believe this? You won't name any.

Николай Субботин

www.genesisquest.org...#

Genesis Quest is a global network of scientists and explorers dedicated to solving the world’s greatest ancient mysteries; we’ll publicize the results of our investigations through books, television series, and films

Nikolay has written more than 400 articles about prehistoric mysteries and paranormal phenomena and is the author of a new conception of the history of ancient civilizations. A winner of literary competitions, Nikolay has carried out several joint projects with Western researchers. His book The Russian Bermuda Triangle documents the most famous anomalous zone in Russia. Nikolay was awarded the Medal of the Ecology of the Unknown Association for his contribution to the comprehension of the unknown (2013). An expert on little-known Russian megaliths, he promises to be an exceptional addition to the Genesis Quest team. Welcome Nikolay!

indeed no-one should believe me (I stated many times that it is my personal opinion but I'm not alone) or you ( that thinks it's the source of all facts) people should investigate themselves and inquire for proof of the Ancient Alien hypothesis if they like. You agree we both don't know all the facts yet and the discussion if Ancient Alien theory is correct is still open.

Btw you know this is the Aliens and Ufo's forum don't ya ?

originally posted by: frenchfries
a reply to: Harte

Why should anyone believe this? You won't name any.

Николай Субботин

www.genesisquest.org...#

Genesis Quest is a global network of scientists and explorers dedicated to solving the world’s greatest ancient mysteries; we’ll publicize the results of our investigations through books, television series, and films

Nikolay has written more than 400 articles about prehistoric mysteries and paranormal phenomena and is the author of a new conception of the history of ancient civilizations. A winner of literary competitions, Nikolay has carried out several joint projects with Western researchers. His book The Russian Bermuda Triangle documents the most famous anomalous zone in Russia. Nikolay was awarded the Medal of the Ecology of the Unknown Association for his contribution to the comprehension of the unknown (2013). An expert on little-known Russian megaliths, he promises to be an exceptional addition to the Genesis Quest team. Welcome Nikolay!

Don't know who Николай Субботин is, But Nickolay (Subbotin) is no archaeologist.
I checked out the site. They list their "crew." Find me a scientist anywhere among them.
Yeah, some of them claim to be archaeologists - with no evidence of them having any training or education in that field. None of them have written a thesis or a dissertation on the subject, as far as anyone can tell. None of them have published anything in the field either. One guy claims to be a physicist - he's not.
They are mostly "researchers" (which means squat) and tour guides or tour operators - meaning they have a vested interest in maintaining a false view concerning the sites they get people to pay them to see.
There was one guy that does appear to have a PhD - in geography. LOL
Several are listed as "giant expert." WTF is that?

I would suggest that you consult qualified sources and not try to pass off tour guides as scientists" in the future, or you'll just be the same old joke over and over.

originally posted by: frenchfries indeed no-one should believe me (I stated many times that it is my personal opinion but I'm not alone) or you ( that thinks it's the source of all facts) people should investigate themselves and inquire for proof of the Ancient Alien hypothesis if they like. You agree we both don't know all the facts yet and the discussion if Ancient Alien theory is correct is still open.

I said as much, didn't I?
Also, your stupid straw man (bolded above) did not escape my notice. Perhaps you would do better to read what I post, rather than imagine what you WISH I had posted and then reply to your own fantasy.

originally posted by: frenchfriesBtw you know this is the Aliens and Ufo's forum don't ya ?

I don't see what that has to do with it, unless my asking you for your evidence (which you still refuse to provide) is making you nervous and you wish I'd leave this section so you could go on acting like you know what you're talking about.

Harte

a reply to: Peeple

We were visited without being visited, whatever......

There are tens of thousands awesome science fiction and fantasy books. If you want to publish fantasy, I think there is a short story forum.

How about stating one or two topshelf items of hardcore proof of ancient alien visitation for debate?

originally posted by: neutronflux
There are tens of thousands awesome science fiction and fantasy books. If you want to publish fantasy, I think there is a short story forum.

How about stating one or two topshelf items of hardcore proof of ancient alien visitation for debate?

We won't be getting even bottom shelf softcore stuff, you know.

Harte