Biblical Reincarnation

Before reading this attempt to dismiss all preconceived notions of "religion"

Think deeply on these words... without judgement

And let what is said resonate in you

Or... not?




He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

And a Stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received

Of my Father

a reply to: Akragon

Beautiful words of wisdom.

Re-birth, re-incarnation, being 'born again' is just life after 'death'. We die to this world and are born into the next just like we died to the womb when were born into this world.

It is my opinion there are many reincarnation accounts in the Bible and other ancient texts.

It really boils down to interpretation. More than likely the early church discounted the claims of reincarnation as to control the public into thinking you have one chance and if you don't make the grade will be forced to hell fire for eternity. That's my take on it anyway.

We come back into this world via the womb, by our own choice. There is a blue print that can be altered while we are here but the main goal remains the same.

a reply to: Akragon

I am not sure what this has to do with reincarnation, though if JTB was Elijah (which he denied) as Christians believe then certainly reincarnation is a fact in the Bible.

To tell the truth most of the OP sounds like prophecies about the false apostle Saul.

a reply to: Akragon

why quote form a book you see as flawed and error filled?

Why use something that is corrupted.

Because if it is flawed and corrupted then what you teach could also be flawed and corrupted just like the words you quote from your corrupt bible.

I see your op as disingenuous and a hypocritical.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Akragon

why quote form a book you see as flawed and error filled?

Why use something that is corrupted.

Because if it is flawed and corrupted then what you teach could also be flawed and corrupted just like the words you quote from your corrupt bible.

I see your op as disingenuous and a hypocritical.

Sounds like you're projecting Chesyer.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I want to answer this from my pov.

What isn't flawed which has been created by man? Take the good with the bad? Take what you want and trash what you don't want. We all have the right and do use the right to do so with any text we read. We do this with any story told to us.

It's (Bible) evidence of the thought process back thousands of years ago and the book takes on stories from other books that were in my opinion more abstract and mystical. Doesn't mean the entire book is flawed. Some would argue none of it is flawed and all is the inspired word of God. From that stand point ALL words can be said to be inspired by God if you take the logic, "WORD" is the LOGOS.

There are many texts I read that I deem flawed but doesn't mean I don't take something from said text and deem it as accurate.

The Religious person calls this, "cherry picking". Cherry's, when ripe should be picked.

When I read the Bible I don't take from it what I was taught in Sunday School. It appears in my mind to be more mystical than what we are taught and studying the religious back ground roots leads the researcher down a rabbit hole. Some of us stay in the hole and others come out of the hole not wanting to address the issues found there.

Hope this makes some sense and you can understand why some of us question, yet find it also to be full of light we can understand and make sense of.

originally posted by: MamaJ
a reply to: ChesterJohn

I want to answer this from my pov.

What isn't flawed which has been created by man? Take the good with the bad? Take what you want and trash what you don't want. We all have the right and do use the right to do so with any text we read. We do this with any story told to us.

It's (Bible) evidence of the thought process back thousands of years ago and the book takes on stories from other books that were in my opinion more abstract and mystical. Doesn't mean the entire book is flawed. Some would argue none of it is flawed and all is the inspired word of God. From that stand point ALL words can be said to be inspired by God if you take the logic, "WORD" is the LOGOS.

There are many texts I read that I deem flawed but doesn't mean I don't take something from said text and deem it as accurate.

The Religious person calls this, "cherry picking". Cherry's, when ripe should be picked.

When I read the Bible I don't take from it what I was taught in Sunday School. It appears in my mind to be more mystical than what we are taught and studying the religious back ground roots leads the researcher down a rabbit hole. Some of us stay in the hole and others come out of the hole not wanting to address the issues found there.

Hope this makes some sense and you can understand why some of us question, yet find it also to be full of light we can understand and make sense of.

Well said!

The idea that Logos means Word is flawed as it's common meaning is Reason.

It's fundamental to understanding the esoteric meaning of the Logos.

a reply to: Akragon

Namaste, Akragon. In a way, we do incarnate into different worlds as we approach closer and closer to God. In the 3rd stage of life (the afterlife), we incarnate into a different body (resurrection) and live in a new world altogether (though it is similar to Earth except more perfect and beautiful). Religions that describe reincarnation are a bit untrue--where people come back to Earth over and over. God doesn't want us to relive our experiences. He does want us to continue our journey, thereby move on to higher and more powerful experiences. As I described in my recent thread,God Questions and Answers, it's better to call it incarnations instead of reincarnations.

Reincarnation is a concept used by many religions to explain the suffering and difficulties we go through everyday life. But again described in my thread, duality in this world always will allow good and bad things to happen to us. It has nothing to do with Sin nor Karma. To further elaborate what it means to Sin or create Karma, you are simply rebelling against God, and they are mistakes you must learn to fix yourself, either in this life or the next. There are no punishments whatsoever. So called "God's punishments" are fear-based religious practices to scare you into submission.

a reply to: ctophil

Thanks everyone...

I would argue that there most definitely are "punishments".... but they happen in life, not "after death"

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Because if it is flawed and corrupted then what you teach could also be flawed and corrupted just like the words you quote from your corrupt bible.

Which happens to be the same bible you read.... Ironic?

I see your op as disingenuous and a hypocritical.

Like i've said before brother.... judge me however you like...

Seems to be what you do best chester

a reply to: Akragon

The disciples definitely thought it possible for John the Baptist to be Elijah reincarnated, if one reads those chapters with a keen eye and an open mind…

But other than that there are many other clues to “reincarnation” or “carnation” in the Bible…IMO

John 14:1-3
14 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

Jesus did say in John14: 2 that in his Fathers house are many rooms or mansions, in other translations. This has to be referring too different worlds within Gods collective Kingdom, which are either spiritual or physical IMO…


In a similar parallel there’s also this verse from the Gospel of Judas…below…

Jesus said, “[Come], that I may teach you about [secrets] no person [has] ever seen. For there exists a great and boundless realm, whose extent no generation of angels has seen, [in which] there is [a] great invisible [Spirit], which no eye of an angel has ever seen, no thought of the heart has ever comprehended, and it was never called by any name.

There’s also more clues in regards Gods judgment, the judgment according to Jesus, not Christianity of Hell and destruction etc…

Luke 6:31
Do to others as you would have them do to you.

Matthew 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

These verses above are clearly talking about an equal and fair judgment by God…IMO

There’s only one possibility for a fair judgement and that is for God to prepare a place for us, (as mentioned John 14: 2-3) depending on our spiritual journey in this life…


- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

well said... My personal favorite... which is just obvious

John 3

Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

a reply to: Akragon

the difference is I believe the Preserved Holy Bible I hold in my hand is not corrupted, it is all true and without any error and complete. On that bases I can quote it and trust it and there is no duplicity.

You and everyone who says it is corrupted have nothing but faulty fiction in your opinion so why quote it?

I made no judgement outside the truth of your own belief that the Bible is not true and is corrupt.

You judge me in saying I am judging you. But what I judged were your words and your actions according to those words. Just as you do I.

a reply to: MamaJ

God made a promise, Malocchino denies this, but here is the promise of God to preserve his words to every generation for ever, and as it is found in the preserved scriptures for us today in the Language of this generation which is English. Beware of the Christian Elite who say you have to know dead languages in order to interpret the Bible when God himself has preserved to this generation.

Ps 12:6, 7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

no one has faith in God to do as he says. No one believes that God can keep his words and to preserve his words to every generation forever. Unbelief is a sin in and of itself and hinders people from learning the true words of God.

I believe he has, it has blessed me and others because of my faith in God, and no one could change that.

My biggest beef is when they don't believe the words to be true unless it is the words they are using for their teachings which are not found in the Bible.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I suppose the difference here is that i know said book is not "without error" regardless of your preferred translation...

You and everyone who says it is corrupted have nothing but faulty fiction in your opinion so why quote it?

See these are your own sayings... nothing i've ever said

I don't buy into your nonsense Mr. Chester... I know there is contradictions... but there is also truth in said book...

And your "all or nothing" rhetoric will never fly with ANY student of the bible except for fundies...

Just because you believe in the doctrine of "innerrancy" does not mean that all that discuss such matters with you must also fall in line with your beliefs

It is nothing but an attempt to prove your superior theology through illogical ideology

a reply to: Akragon

those would be perceived contradiction because you don't know the power of God to keep his words and you do not trust he has. So you are left to be god in his steed like all men who do not have faith in God to keep his word to preserve his words to every generation.

One day you will see it is all or nothing. These verses gives us the idea of it being all or nothing when it comes to God

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

All is hot and nothing is cold.

Which are you?

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Neither.... Not christian

Remember?

That does not make me God.... Nor does it mean i am trying to be...

As i've said to you numerous times... Its just a book

It wasn't written by God... it was written by men, and thus subject to their flaws

Seriously... get real brother

You base your entire theology on a flaw believing that it is a perfect book without even checking for yourself

a reply to: Akragon

Well...it easier to believe in the inerrancy of a book if you don't actually know what it says or how to interpret it properly, although the interpretation is always based on knowledge so it helps to know the contents.

Strange thing is I know of more Biblically educated people who are not Christians because they know what it says... I am one.

Ressurection of the dead could even be interpreted as a form of reincarnation, not as most people think of it but it's a form if you choose to interpret it as such.