My theory on bigfoot

a reply to: tigertatzen

I did. ...and I found nothing I could definitively call tracks. Vague disturbances that could have been anything, up to and including my imagination... Total wash.

...and it is.

a reply to: seagull

Thank you for linking it! Still reading through, but I wanted to tell you...the wood knocking is another parallel to the situation at my mother's place. It happens there at night, too, and quite often.

We all thought maybe it was a woodpecker as well, but it happens pretty late at night and doesn't quite sound like a woodpecker...it sounds more like Morse code, as weird as that sounds. Also, it is more than one knocking pattern, and emanates from multiple different directions at a time. This happens at least several nights a week, and it is very loud. Is it a form of communication? Because that's exactly what it sounds like. Curiouser and curiouser...

There is a great documentary with Lloyd Pye called "Everything you know is wrong" which is heavily focused on the existence of hominid creatures such as Bigfoot. He makes a very strong case that Bigfoot, not humans, are actually the evolutionary product of the ape. Some interesting points he makes are:

Lack of physical evidence because they live in very inaccessible areas, such as thick forests, high mountain ranges and other locations that humans find difficult to survive in.

Many recorded sightings and almost all cultures have stories about them, but scientific suicide awaits those willing to support the notion.

Strong opposition to their existence is due to the likelihood that it will expose the fallacy that humans are indigenous to Earth when compared to a Bigfoot which is clearly much more adapted to the planet than we are.

To elaborate on that last point a little further, humans are the only living being that could not survive on this planet without the aid of man-made items such as clothing for warmth and buildings for shelter. It may sound crazy, but think about it for a second. That either means that we are not adapted to the planet OR we evolved with the specific requirement of having to engineer objects simply to survive.

a reply to: -mytym-

While I think that if Bigfoot is real, he is an ancestor of great apes, and more so of neanderthals, I'm not so sure I can get on board the homosapiens are actually aliens bandwagon.

If we were actually interstellar traveling aliens, where did our knowledge go? Our technology? Why are we genetically linked to the great ape family?

a reply to: tigertatzen

You account of the fur ripped off skeletons gave me the heebie geebies! (Bestest Halloween story ever!)

Yes, the tree knocking is a form of communication. They also whistle in addition to howling. They imitate bird calls. They seem to know not to mess with humans (as in physically attack) because that usually means more will show up and with guns. They tend to try to scare you away. Usually by hurling decent size rocks in your general direction.

And I agree with the idea of setting up trail cams around the house!

This is thread that actually convinced me there is something physical out there. I don't know why... but it did.

ATS: Bigfoot bodies and Mount St. Helens

a reply to: TEOTWAWKIAIFF

That was an interesting read, and if true actually ties into my theory. Unfortunately I don't know that we will ever have tangible proof of Bigfoot .

a reply to: crimsongod21

Only problem with that story is, I know folks in the area, some are family. All of 'em know my interest, since childhood, in Bigfoot. Not one of them has ever said anything about this.

Apropos of nothing, I suppose, but adds to the pinch of salt necessary to totally buy into that story. MHO, of course, your mileage may vary.

I've always surmised that maybe Bigfoot is a spiritual creature. Sort of like the spirit of the forest. That would explain the lack of remains.

originally posted by: -mytym-
There is a great documentary with Lloyd Pye called "Everything you know is wrong" which is heavily focused on the existence of hominid creatures such as Bigfoot. He makes a very strong case that Bigfoot, not humans, are actually the evolutionary product of the ape. Some interesting points he makes are:

Lack of physical evidence because they live in very inaccessible areas, such as thick forests, high mountain ranges and other locations that humans find difficult to survive in.

Many recorded sightings and almost all cultures have stories about them, but scientific suicide awaits those willing to support the notion.

Strong opposition to their existence is due to the likelihood that it will expose the fallacy that humans are indigenous to Earth when compared to a Bigfoot which is clearly much more adapted to the planet than we are.

To elaborate on that last point a little further, humans are the only living being that could not survive on this planet without the aid of man-made items such as clothing for warmth and buildings for shelter. It may sound crazy, but think about it for a second. That either means that we are not adapted to the planet OR we evolved with the specific requirement of having to engineer objects simply to survive.

I think you nailed it, especially the part where we don't really into the ecosystem.

a reply to: Night Star
a reply to: Marky83
This is a theory on Bigfoot. I don't buy it, but there are a few people who do.

a reply to: tigertatzen
Ever compare your experiences to the Skinwalker Ranch case? I see a lot of parallels.


As to the OP, I have to remain skeptical about Bigfoot as a physical creature. It would be really amazing if it was, but I can't join the Bigfoot as cryptid crowd due to the fact that there is no physical evidence, and any video/photography that I've seen could be hoaxed for fun or (more likely) profit.

As to the countless personal experience that people have had I do think there is an actual phenomena happening to certain folks. As to what is causing the phenomena I don't know, but it seems more along the lines of the "supernatural" or "paranormal", terms that are exclusive in their own right. I don't believe in anything supernatural, but I do believe that the paranormal exists as misunderstood natural phenomena - whether those phenomena exist in physical reality, in our minds, or as some weird crossing of the two is where I start to become very skeptical of a physical Bigfoot, or UFO, or ghost etc.

This all ties back to my own paranormal experiences and how, as a rational person, I interpreted what I seen/felt/smelled. I can't buy into the traditional explanations of Bigfoot as a rare ape, UFOs are craft piloted by extraterrestrial beings or ghosts are the disembodied spirits of the dead. None of that makes any rational sense to me - but I've experienced a plethora of UFOs and "Ghosts". I've never had a Bigfoot encounter or experience. But, drawing from a lot of different written/spoken encounters it seems like it is something that is more along the lines of UFOs and ghosts than a real physical creature.

In short, I don't believe a physical Bigfoot exists, but I do believe an unknown phenomena is inducing the sightings and because there is an idea of Bigfoot, people interpret a bizarre experience with "something" in the woods as such.

Our brains are very adept at creating illusions to help us fathom something that cannot be - and while I realize that the vast majority of Bigfoot sightings are much more aligned to a physical creature interpretation, there is nothing to show of that physical creature. I don't think every person is making up the encounter to feel special, and assigning ridicule for many of those folks who have experienced things which cannot be explained is deflective at best. Something is causing these experiences but due to the "pseudoscience" tag that gets attached to anything paranormal, no real scientists want to touch it, even if there is a potential natural phenomena causing these sightings.

Went a bit longer than I intended. Thanks for reading and thanks to the OP for starting this discussion.

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

Your welcome, and thank your for the reply this thread has grown and expanded beyond what I expected and it has been a very pleasant surprise .

a reply to: Marky83
Are you serious or just joksies? Sometimes its so hard to tell online. Do you know how hard it is to find remains of any animal in the woods, much less with the size and coverage of some of these forests have?

You know there are and have been people who have lived over 30 years in the wilderness, and yes in Bear and Deer country, practically smack dam in the middle and they see bear and Deer every day running around, yet in all that time chances are that they have never ran into a Bear or Deer carcass that just was along there path while on a stroll. Must mean that bears or deer don't exist right?

In fact if you live in a city, you must have seen a few birds flying overhead, say crows or seagulls or any other such bird. But in all your time there how many crow carcasses have you seen? And even if you did, that carcass in the middle of the street is a hundred times more likely to be there come the next day, or the next few days, then it will if it was in the middle of the woods.

So ya! Physical evidence. No chance of that happening any time soon. In fact you could be a ranger in oh lets say some place like Yellowstone and your job is to keep track of dead wolfs, and you could have been doing that job for years on years, and in all that time its still not likely that you would have run into any wolf carcasses, not even the ones who died of old age. Nature has a way of magically making them all disappear.

So going by that train of thought, then that means wolfs dont exist either.

As for any encounters?

Your chances of surviving a bear attack and twice in one day seems to me to be a hundred times more favorable then surviving a Bigfoot attack while you just happen to be out for a stroll in the middle of nowhere, In fact may be zero, and in fact the chances of anybody just out for a stroll in the middle of nowhere is dam close to zero as well.

Like this guy, seems he is a game tracker, or at least was tracking game that day when he peeked a ridge and ran into a mama bear and two cubs. But even him I dont think in all the time tracking game or out for strolls out there in the Montana woods has ever just ran into any bear carcasses.

In fact if that bear would have slashed a bit lower on the neck, the chances of finding his body after 2 to 5 days are practically zero even if they were looking for him on the spot were he was killed. But who know maybe they will find his hat some 50 miles away in a pile of bear crap, or not even that.

80 yards he says it came at him! He looks in pretty good shape, and pretty though, but 80 yards was a bit to close that day it seems. 20 more yards and thats a football field goal to goal away.


And hypothetically lets say Bigfoot did exist, what if he ran into a Bigfoot out there, especially a mean one who didnt like humans, well me thinks his chances of survival would have taken a skydive to zero seeing as there bound to be a thousand time more smarter then a bear, in fact if one did exist it could easily set traps and avoid noisy humans me thinks. If bigfoots exist that is.

For all you know there could have over the centuries have been hundreds of thousands of people who have just ran into Bigfoot out there while on camping trips or just taking strolls through the middle of nowhere, yet no story is ever told, simply because our of those hundreds of thousands, nobody, not one, has yet survived there up close and personal encounter with Bigfoot, after all its reported to be much more smarter then a bear. How about them odds?

Maybe the chances of encountering a Bigfoot in the wild and surviving are much much much much much lower then the chances of encountering a Mama Bear and its cubs in the wild and surviving is.

So ya. Nature is all magical and spiritual and stuff. Food for thought no?

Now why don't you go out to the seashore take a stroll out along the shore and count the number of dead seagulls you see along that way, do that for 10 years, see how many dead seagull carcasses you run into? There if you base your physical evidence of seagulls existing based on how many dead seagulls you find in any years, while even in there habitat, even while there in plain sight, and in seeing them every dam day for over 10 or more years, if you were to go by how many dead seagulls you would find as proof of there existence, chances are also slim that seagulls don't exist either.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

I know this wasn't a reply to me, but I have to jump in here since you posted that grizzly attack.

I have lived in the same country as that guy (IE Montana wilderness in general, different mountain ranges) my entire life, and just this last spring/summer this is what I have came across (off the top of my head):

Numerous rockchuck (marmot) skulls
A massive, rotting and nasty bull moose (in very early spring)
Several deer carcasses in different states of decay/disarray
More damn bones than a Bigfoot could shake a stick at

That's essentially what you might find at any point in the mountains here. With hunting, fishing, camping, and hiking being my primary "get out" activities, I really can't fathom how anyone can not find something dead in the woods, or evidence of it. I don't just find these near roads or campsites, but well in the woods and high in the mountains. I have a habit of following streams up no matter how rough a go it will be. It's almost always worth it.

Now, I do realize that our woods (Montana) are completely different than the woods in the pacific northwest. But to say that you don't find dead things in the woods just blows my mind because I don't even try and I find carcasses/remains of identifiable animals (mainly skulls) all the time.

Local old-timers call it "He-dog," "hairy-man,'"Wooly-booger..."
I have caught a brief glimpse of a large, upright torso in the thicket.
Possibly a boar or black bear, which would be very rare.

originally posted by: skunkape23
Local old-timers call it "He-dog," "hairy-man,'"Wooly-booger..."
I have caught a brief glimpse of a large, upright torso in the thicket.
Possibly a boar or black bear, which would be very rare.

In the Uk we call it the wildman. Yes I know the UK is a tiny island but we have our encounters too. I had a really scary night camping above Grinton on the North Yorkshore Moors.

I'm Scottish and was born and raised at Inversnaid. I wandered the hills and played on the banks of Loch Lomond. I've always been an outdoors person. I have fished, rambled, camped all my life.

I say in the UK we call it the Wildman..........but that night, in my little tent, with my terrified dog, with me terrified too, and that thing throwing pebbles at the tent, brushing against the tent, it felt like something supernatural.

I'm not a coward. Not at all. But that night I was truly terrified. It woke me up by throwing stones against the tent. My dog, an Old English Sheepdog was trembling and growling. I hushed her because instinct told me to lay low and quiet.

There were more than one of them because they kind of whistled.........not whistled exactly......kind of like a high pitched 'keening'. I don't know but very strange.

The stone throwing and walking around the tent went on for hours. I'm not a coward, but that knew to lay night I just low. I cuddled my dog and tried to stop her trembling and growling, I just knew that if I went out and confronted them....I didn't want to see. My tiny hairs were standing on end.

A bit like otters whistling but not quite. Also, otters don't throw stones at the tent, and give an air of menace.

I simply don't know what it was that night. I was too terrified to look out of the tent.

This is where I camped. I had camped there many times before with no incident.

www.mylearning.org...



That camping trip was the only time I had a menacing encounter.

I've posted this encounter several times on different forums, and in more detail, but no one is ever interested in the UK.

Still.................it happened. I have no doubt.

There most certainly ARE extensive cave systems that can stretch hundreds of miles underground. The entire Ohio Kentucky area is riddled with limestone cave systems that are largely unexplored. a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Seagull I could have written that post word for word. Seeing that huge and very organic creature rocked me to the foundations. Grew up out in the woods, but seldom venture anywhere far from my car out there nowadays. I never believed in it for every single skeptical reason listed in this thread being a scientific fact based individual. I don't go camping out in the wild anymore PERIOD. The one I saw was not threatening in any way and like the one walking across the yard turned and looked at my car and simply walked on. No bear, no imagination, no drugs. I had plenty of time to get a good look and then look again as my brain tried unsuccessfully to put this huge creature into any of the acceptable alternatives. It was a Sasquatch, plain and simple, and a helluva big example of that. a reply to: seagull

a reply to: crimsongod21

Bigfoot is real. There are too many stories going back in time to dismiss the possibility of bigfoot being real.