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originally posted by: Aliensun
originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Aliensun
I'll have to go on a limb if I try to explain because it's a quote from Vallée, but my guess would be, that one could assume an advanced race would make it's research less traumatic and intrusive to the subject.
Which to me supports the theory that the one(s) conducting them has no idea what a trauma is, because it's functioning on an unemotional purely logical basis, not biological.
That view, if truly Valle's, has some value and, in fact, probably originates with the first ever widely reported abduction, that of Betty and Barney Hill as she likened the manners of the ETs to Nazis.
As an abductee myself, having followed abduction cases for a long time, I suspect Valle's hunch has some validity. Other contributing factors may be a lack of their ability to completely apply the mind-control technique inherent in virtually every abduction case.
I also will mention that in many abduction reports, the little creatures are evidently of a worker class and the taller beings with the large, dark and deep eyes have the ability to transmit love, compassion and understanding. --Not to say that such projections are true or honest or simply called forth if they think they are needed for the traumatic situation at hand (or claw).
originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: Peeple
Your response strays too far from the actuality of the event of an abduction. Two things work against our local logic. First, we have no clue to the extent of how mind control works. Is it mind-to-mind, technologically augmented, or a combination of both. It would seem on the face of the continuing evidence that the ETs have a very good concept of how we operate AND how to control us. To suggest anything short of that is, again, denying the evidence of about every abduction experience.
But I don't get how some people can still cling to the hope that the abduction program has anything to do with "scientific study". Gimme a break. You're being replaced. These abductions have been reproductive in nature since the beginning.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: billydebunker
But I don't get how some people can still cling to the hope that the abduction program has anything to do with "scientific study". Gimme a break. You're being replaced. These abductions have been reproductive in nature since the beginning.
Reproductive? Humans are now capable of manipulating genes and cloning other humans if we wish. Why would a more advanced species need anything more than a few samples of DNA? Once they had charted the genome, which they could presumably do more quickly than we can, they could produce any number of individuals to order.
I am sure your experience was terrifying, but it cannot have anything to do with an extraterrestrial breeding program. This is exactly the sort of nonsensical belief that Vallee finds strange and troubling. If your experience is not simply a nightmare, what is really going on?
....when you have to ignore all the evidence, and our opinions are worth a great deal more because we are speaking from a position of experiential knowledge. "Nonsensical belief", he says. Sorry friend, this is the real world.
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: billydebunker
Plenty of evidence. But here's the hard part for you.
What part of that 'evidence' is undeniable proof that aliens are abducting people for 'reproductive' purposes to create hybrids.
It may be the hard part for you, but it's not hard for me. What do I care if you don't want to listen to what is going on? Seriously? Tell you what, you sit back and wait for your undeniable proof, and I'll just go on discussing the alien situation with other people who know what's happening, or at least are interested in it.
There are plenty of important discussions to be had about the 'why', the 'how', the 'when', and we should be spending our time and energy on those matters. But we know a great deal about what they're doing, these specific aliens anyway. If you're not on board with what we know, I'm not sure what you want me to do, pretend I don't know these things are facts? Is that really going to help you, or me, or anyone? Will that make you feel better? I doubt it. And frankly, if you've done so little research into abductions that hybrids are news to you, then get back to me when you get up to speed. Or don't. But thank you for your response.
originally posted by: billydebunker
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: billydebunker
Plenty of evidence. But here's the hard part for you.
What part of that 'evidence' is undeniable proof that aliens are abducting people for 'reproductive' purposes to create hybrids.
It may be the hard part for you, but it's not hard for me. What do I care if you don't want to listen to what is going on? Seriously? Tell you what, you sit back and wait for your undeniable proof, and I'll just go on discussing the alien situation with other people who know what's happening, or at least are interested in it.
There are plenty of important discussions to be had about the 'why', the 'how', the 'when', and we should be spending our time and energy on those matters. But we know a great deal about what they're doing, these specific aliens anyway. If you're not on board with what we know, I'm not sure what you want me to do, pretend I don't know these things are facts? Is that really going to help you, or me, or anyone? Will that make you feel better? I doubt it. And frankly, if you've done so little research into abductions that hybrids are news to you, then get back to me when you get up to speed. Or don't. But thank you for your response.
There are plenty of important discussions to be had about the 'why', the 'how', the 'when', and we should be spending our time and energy on those matters. But we know a great deal about what they're doing, these specific aliens anyway. If you're not on board with what we know, I'm not sure what you want me to do, pretend I don't know these things are facts? Is that really going to help you, or me, or anyone? Will that make you feel better? I doubt it. And frankly, if you've done so little research into abductions that hybrids are news to you, then get back to me when you get up to speed. Or don't. But thank you for your response.
originally posted by: jonasdelnegros
a reply to: charlyv
In a fairly short paper titled
"Incommensurability, Orthodoxy
and the Physics of High Strangeness:
A 6-layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena"
Vallee does address the possibilty of "terrestrial" time travellers being responsible for at least some ufo/uap events. The pdf is available free online.
originally posted by: klassless
originally posted by: billydebunker
originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: billydebunker
Plenty of evidence. But here's the hard part for you.
What part of that 'evidence' is undeniable proof that aliens are abducting people for 'reproductive' purposes to create hybrids.
It may be the hard part for you, but it's not hard for me. What do I care if you don't want to listen to what is going on? Seriously? Tell you what, you sit back and wait for your undeniable proof, and I'll just go on discussing the alien situation with other people who know what's happening, or at least are interested in it.
There are plenty of important discussions to be had about the 'why', the 'how', the 'when', and we should be spending our time and energy on those matters. But we know a great deal about what they're doing, these specific aliens anyway. If you're not on board with what we know, I'm not sure what you want me to do, pretend I don't know these things are facts? Is that really going to help you, or me, or anyone? Will that make you feel better? I doubt it. And frankly, if you've done so little research into abductions that hybrids are news to you, then get back to me when you get up to speed. Or don't. But thank you for your response.
I HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE FORMAT AND BILLYDEBUNKER'S REPLY GOT LEFT OUT. SEE HIS ORIGINAL REMARKS.
You can't "just go on discussing the alien situation with other people who know what's happening, or at least are interested in it." because there is NO alien situation, you make it up as you go. If your life depended on it you couldn't provide any more information than what is in the public record which is just made up of hearsay. No one has any concrete proof for no one has ever had any experiences with alleged aliens. And anyone who says they have are lying through their teeth.
Put up or shut up! "specific aliens", what a laugh. Abductions? Pure unsubstantiated, patented bs.
originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Aliensun
Oh and btw nothing and no one can make you act against your intentions, that's an established fact we know from hypnosis.
originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: SargonThrall
Really explain the hypnosis bit, please? All I know about it is not really scientific as they're just starting to investigate it. It doesn't work with me. And well what you catch on the ride, suggestions make it unreliable for fact gathering around the abduction phenomenon and I always hit the "screw you" wall.
Interesting article if you like to know where I am coming from mindfulness meditation and hypnotisability