New Book About UFO Books

a reply to: klassless

Thanks for your opinion, but I find what you say to be, and I quote Spock, "Highly illogical".

I've interviewed many, many credible UFO witnesses, quite often multiple witnesses, who were lucky enough to take a few pictures of the event only to never have their film returned, as well as other sources. I hope that's helpful to you, if not, I'm okay with that.

And please don't eat the supernatural baloney, it's past date.

a reply to: billydebunker

I've interviewed many, many credible UFO witnesses, quite often multiple witnesses, who were lucky enough to take a few pictures of the event only to never have their film returned, as well as other sources. I hope that's helpful to you, if not, I'm okay with that.

Have you ever worked at a film processing laboratory? Do you know anyone who has? Do workers inspect each frame of every film they process looking for forbidden photographs? Hint: if they did, pornography would not have existed before the invention of the digital camera.

a reply to: DJW001
That''s a bold statement to make bearing in mind you are hitching yourself to The Shrike's wagon!

originally posted by: Krusty the Klown
a reply to: DJW001
That''s a bold statement to make bearing in mind you are hitching yourself to The Shrike's wagon!

What's your point? By the 1960s, film processing was completely automated.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: billydebunker

I've interviewed many, many credible UFO witnesses, quite often multiple witnesses, who were lucky enough to take a few pictures of the event only to never have their film returned, as well as other sources. I hope that's helpful to you, if not, I'm okay with that.

Have you ever worked at a film processing laboratory? Do you know anyone who has? Do workers inspect each frame of every film they process looking for forbidden photographs? Hint: if they did, pornography would not have existed before the invention of the digital camera.

No.

Yes.

Yes.

Hint: Wrong. Pornography existed long before the invention of ANY camera, in fact.

a reply to: DJW001


I concur with Billydebunker in his above post, they did get inspected, not looking for anything forbidden, just for defects.


The pornographic photos were there during manual processing, they were just ignored, these people are not censors, just film processors.


But this point is probably starting to drift the thread too much now.

a reply to: Krusty the Klown

The pornographic photos were there during manual processing, they were just ignored, these people are not censors, just film processors.

Explain that to billydebunker. He thinks every frame was scanned for UFOs.

a reply to: JimOberg

Let's go back to Oberg's intent and we can now stop beating a stupid, dead horse who never had a chance against us smarter folks.

When you read the book, or about it, the author does a public service consolidating all of those meaningless but entertaining books which I'm sure gave a lot of Hollywood writers ideas.

At Amazon the book is being offered from $92.76 to $102.07 plus $3.99 for shipping. But you can buy a copy for $40, plain or the fancy version.

Oberg is correct in his assessment that the book "Might still be useful as a historical survey of the literature." The silly side. The author may not have believed any of them but no one in their right mind would have either. I know I didn't.

originally posted by: klassless
a reply to: JimOberg

Let's go back to Oberg's intent and we can now stop beating a stupid, dead horse who never had a chance against us smarter folks.

When you read the book, or about it, the author does a public service consolidating all of those meaningless but entertaining books which I'm sure gave a lot of Hollywood writers ideas.

At Amazon the book is being offered from $92.76 to $102.07 plus $3.99 for shipping. But you can buy a copy for $40, plain or the fancy version.

Oberg is correct in his assessment that the book "Might still be useful as a historical survey of the literature." The silly side. The author may not have believed any of them but no one in their right mind would have either. I know I didn't.

Surely you people realize that Jim Oberg is always the villain in any UFO television show, right?

He's a professional debunker, according to people whose opinions I respect, and I don't think he hides the fact. Am I wrong on that? Does he actually claim to be looking into the question of alien contact?

I think he's always been pretty up front about that, I mean his record speaks for itself.

originally posted by: billydebunker

originally posted by: klassless
a reply to: JimOberg

Let's go back to Oberg's intent and we can now stop beating a stupid, dead horse who never had a chance against us smarter folks.

When you read the book, or about it, the author does a public service consolidating all of those meaningless but entertaining books which I'm sure gave a lot of Hollywood writers ideas.

At Amazon the book is being offered from $92.76 to $102.07 plus $3.99 for shipping. But you can buy a copy for $40, plain or the fancy version.

Oberg is correct in his assessment that the book "Might still be useful as a historical survey of the literature." The silly side. The author may not have believed any of them but no one in their right mind would have either. I know I didn't.

Surely you people realize that Jim Oberg is always the villain in any UFO television show, right?

He's a professional debunker, according to people whose opinions I respect, and I don't think he hides the fact. Am I wrong on that? Does he actually claim to be looking into the question of alien contact?

I think he's always been pretty up front about that, I mean his record speaks for itself.

You have a lot of growing up to do. Why do you choose to vilify Oberg? What has he done to you? He's a respected legend and a go-to person for a different and informative POV. He worked for NASA and built a respected reputation. Usually the people he goes up against are no match for him 'cause they're usually believers and belief is not a source for logic, common sense and reason.

He's not a debunker, professional or otherwise. Very few members, IF ANY, are on his mental level. You respect the opinions of those who allege that Oberg is a professional debunker? I know that you are entitled to your opinion but, frankly, in my opinion your opinion is worthless.

Oberg started this thread to discuss the merits of a book and instead of you being a respectable member offering your opinion about the book in question, you lower the forum's standards with your distorted thinking and unmerited insults. Who needs you?

originally posted by: klassless

originally posted by: billydebunker

originally posted by: klassless
a reply to: JimOberg

Let's go back to Oberg's intent and we can now stop beating a stupid, dead horse who never had a chance against us smarter folks.

When you read the book, or about it, the author does a public service consolidating all of those meaningless but entertaining books which I'm sure gave a lot of Hollywood writers ideas.

At Amazon the book is being offered from $92.76 to $102.07 plus $3.99 for shipping. But you can buy a copy for $40, plain or the fancy version.

Oberg is correct in his assessment that the book "Might still be useful as a historical survey of the literature." The silly side. The author may not have believed any of them but no one in their right mind would have either. I know I didn't.

Surely you people realize that Jim Oberg is always the villain in any UFO television show, right?

He's a professional debunker, according to people whose opinions I respect, and I don't think he hides the fact. Am I wrong on that? Does he actually claim to be looking into the question of alien contact?

I think he's always been pretty up front about that, I mean his record speaks for itself.

You have a lot of growing up to do. Why do you choose to vilify Oberg? What has he done to you? He's a respected legend and a go-to person for a different and informative POV. He worked for NASA and built a respected reputation. Usually the people he goes up against are no match for him 'cause they're usually believers and belief is not a source for logic, common sense and reason.

He's not a debunker, professional or otherwise. Very few members, IF ANY, are on his mental level. You respect the opinions of those who allege that Oberg is a professional debunker? I know that you are entitled to your opinion but, frankly, in my opinion your opinion is worthless.

Oberg started this thread to discuss the merits of a book and instead of you being a respectable member offering your opinion about the book in question, you lower the forum's standards with your distorted thinking and unmerited insults. Who needs you?

Such righteous indignation! Why, I would never vilify such a stalwart towering genius at the art of pretending UFOs are not alien ships.

He's not a debunker? LOL, maybe you think you're talking to someone who didn't know of Oberg's involvement with the debunker organization CSICOP. Sounds like maybe you didn't know it.

a reply to: billydebunker

Such righteous indignation! Why, I would never vilify such a stalwart towering genius at the art of pretending UFOs are not alien ships.

Remember, Tanka, calling someone stupid does not make you look smarter, it makes you look insecure.

He's not a debunker? LOL, maybe you think you're talking to someone who didn't know of Oberg's involvement with the debunker organization CSICOP. Sounds like maybe you didn't know it.

Maybe he knows it but doesn't feel threatened. Con men hate CSIOP because it exposes their lies. Delusional people hate it because it threatens their beliefs. Jim Oberg is extremely knowledgeable and fair minded, unlike some other "ufologists."

Certain organizations go a VERY long way to
make sure we know 'ALL UFO stories are fake.'
And all are done by hoaxers or misunderstood by the ignorant;
like Astronaut Gordon Cooper
SR-71 designer Kelly Johnson and
CIA director Roscoe Hillenkoeter
all obviously with nothing better to do.

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

Certain organizations go a VERY long way to
make sure we know 'ALL UFO stories are fake.'
And all are done by hoaxers or misunderstood by the ignorant;

That is a lie told by con-men and threatened believers. Even the Condon Report classified 5% as " unknown."

a reply to: DJW001
Well after 38 years of following UAP's
I'm well past being threatened.
More burned out by the relentless 'the sky isn't blue
and there is no such thing and a qualified
witness', same old arguments.
I'm a skeptic, not a debunker .
Debunkers are either paid or have a very
fragile close held belief system that doesnt
let them imagine a civilization a billion
years ahead, technologically, could send a probe or
visit because it's just too far.

a reply to: DJW001

Maybe he knows it but doesn't feel threatened. Con men hate CSIOP because it exposes their lies. Delusional people hate it because it threatens their beliefs. Jim Oberg is extremely knowledgeable and fair minded, unlike some other "ufologists."

And is this the same organization that was sued by 20/20 for rigging a test on psychic ability to fail? And it's founding members quit because it was so fraudulently biased?

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
Certain organizations go a VERY long way to
make sure we know 'ALL UFO stories are fake.'
And all are done by hoaxers or misunderstood by the ignorant;
like Astronaut Gordon Cooper
SR-71 designer Kelly Johnson and
CIA director Roscoe Hillenkoeter
all obviously with nothing better to do.

Great post, it's nice to hear the truth, a refreshing change!

Let's be really scientific here and examine the evidence, like good skeptics should.
What can we deduce about a man from the targets he has chosen to attack, namely the men you mention above?
Hmmm....
It's amazing where our tax dollars go.

originally posted by: billydebunker

originally posted by: klassless

originally posted by: billydebunker

originally posted by: klassless
a reply to: JimOberg

Let's go back to Oberg's intent and we can now stop beating a stupid, dead horse who never had a chance against us smarter folks.

When you read the book, or about it, the author does a public service consolidating all of those meaningless but entertaining books which I'm sure gave a lot of Hollywood writers ideas.

At Amazon the book is being offered from $92.76 to $102.07 plus $3.99 for shipping. But you can buy a copy for $40, plain or the fancy version.

Oberg is correct in his assessment that the book "Might still be useful as a historical survey of the literature." The silly side. The author may not have believed any of them but no one in their right mind would have either. I know I didn't.

Surely you people realize that Jim Oberg is always the villain in any UFO television show, right?

He's a professional debunker, according to people whose opinions I respect, and I don't think he hides the fact. Am I wrong on that? Does he actually claim to be looking into the question of alien contact?

I think he's always been pretty up front about that, I mean his record speaks for itself.

You have a lot of growing up to do. Why do you choose to vilify Oberg? What has he done to you? He's a respected legend and a go-to person for a different and informative POV. He worked for NASA and built a respected reputation. Usually the people he goes up against are no match for him 'cause they're usually believers and belief is not a source for logic, common sense and reason.

He's not a debunker, professional or otherwise. Very few members, IF ANY, are on his mental level. You respect the opinions of those who allege that Oberg is a professional debunker? I know that you are entitled to your opinion but, frankly, in my opinion your opinion is worthless.

Oberg started this thread to discuss the merits of a book and instead of you being a respectable member offering your opinion about the book in question, you lower the forum's standards with your distorted thinking and unmerited insults. Who needs you?

Such righteous indignation! Why, I would never vilify such a stalwart towering genius at the art of pretending UFOs are not alien ships.

He's not a debunker? LOL, maybe you think you're talking to someone who didn't know of Oberg's involvement with the debunker organization CSICOP. Sounds like maybe you didn't know it.

You just don't give up thinking you're a real gem, and you are. You outshine your ilk. Have you turned 18 yet 'cause minors are not really allowed on ATS. Oh, you snuck in, that's it!

I belong to CSICOP and you can't, you couldn't pass their eligibility tests!

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
a reply to: DJW001
Well after 38 years of following UAP's
I'm well past being threatened.
More burned out by the relentless 'the sky isn't blue
and there is no such thing and a qualified
witness', same old arguments.
I'm a skeptic, not a debunker .
Debunkers are either paid or have a very
fragile close held belief system that doesnt
let them imagine a civilization a billion
years ahead, technologically, could send a probe or
visit because it's just too far.

Well, I'm a skeptic AND a debunker with a nice record under my belt. Nobody pays me, the reward is debunking successfully using logic, common sense and reason. You can imagine all you want it still doesn't put food on the table. Imagination is a mental process and it doesn't create UFOs and aliens. UFOs don't have to be imagined, just go outside and scan the sky for a while. You may see 'em. But don't hold your breath for the aliens 'cause they are either not here yet as their flight has been cancelled. Deal with evidence and you can't go wrong.

originally posted by: klassless

originally posted by: billydebunker

originally posted by: klassless

originally posted by: billydebunker

originally posted by: klassless
a reply to: JimOberg

Let's go back to Oberg's intent and we can now stop beating a stupid, dead horse who never had a chance against us smarter folks.

When you read the book, or about it, the author does a public service consolidating all of those meaningless but entertaining books which I'm sure gave a lot of Hollywood writers ideas.

At Amazon the book is being offered from $92.76 to $102.07 plus $3.99 for shipping. But you can buy a copy for $40, plain or the fancy version.

Oberg is correct in his assessment that the book "Might still be useful as a historical survey of the literature." The silly side. The author may not have believed any of them but no one in their right mind would have either. I know I didn't.

Surely you people realize that Jim Oberg is always the villain in any UFO television show, right?

He's a professional debunker, according to people whose opinions I respect, and I don't think he hides the fact. Am I wrong on that? Does he actually claim to be looking into the question of alien contact?

I think he's always been pretty up front about that, I mean his record speaks for itself.

You have a lot of growing up to do. Why do you choose to vilify Oberg? What has he done to you? He's a respected legend and a go-to person for a different and informative POV. He worked for NASA and built a respected reputation. Usually the people he goes up against are no match for him 'cause they're usually believers and belief is not a source for logic, common sense and reason.

He's not a debunker, professional or otherwise. Very few members, IF ANY, are on his mental level. You respect the opinions of those who allege that Oberg is a professional debunker? I know that you are entitled to your opinion but, frankly, in my opinion your opinion is worthless.

Oberg started this thread to discuss the merits of a book and instead of you being a respectable member offering your opinion about the book in question, you lower the forum's standards with your distorted thinking and unmerited insults. Who needs you?

Such righteous indignation! Why, I would never vilify such a stalwart towering genius at the art of pretending UFOs are not alien ships.

He's not a debunker? LOL, maybe you think you're talking to someone who didn't know of Oberg's involvement with the debunker organization CSICOP. Sounds like maybe you didn't know it.

You just don't give up thinking you're a real gem, and you are. You outshine your ilk. Have you turned 18 yet 'cause minors are not really allowed on ATS. Oh, you snuck in, that's it!

I belong to CSICOP and you can't, you couldn't pass their eligibility tests!

I hope I couldn't pass their eligibility tests, I prefer to tell the truth.

Now I'll ask you again:

Is CSICOP the organization that was sued by 20/20 for rigging a test on psychic ability to fail? And it's founding members quit because it was so fraudulently biased?