And this is the Ninth and Last Sign

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.

It seems unlikely to me that the fall to Earth of a redundant space-station would be an omen of an impending apocalypse. I mean, that's pretty small stuff isn't it. It's not exactly common, but it's not exactly unheard-of either. (Ironically, in view of some posts upthread, the commentator on the crystalinks.com page really does seem to think it referred to Skylab, which must mean that the apocalypse is overdue).

Personally, I reckon this is one for the Niburu/Planet X fans. "Dwelling place in heaven" is a good fit for a planet inhabited by whatever it was that Stitchin was on about, or perhaps just the concept of a planet itself, appearing as a 'blue star' makes more sense for a distant planet coming into view -- since a falling space-station wouldn't look like a star at all (and not least since it implies the thing being visible for long periods at night-time).

"That shall fall with a great crash" isn't so immediately obvious, but if you look carefully you'll see that the quote only says you will hear about an object that shall fall with a great crash. It doesn't actually say that the thing in the sky will definitely fall with a great crash.

My two-pennorth. Not saying I believe the above myself, just that it's not a good fit for a space-station re-entry but will probably be snapped up by Team Niburu.

a reply to: intrptr

Ain't it wild?

Yes!
Here is what I was referring to from a few days ago

Claims that Indigenous Australians are the most ancient continuous civilisation on Earth have been backed by the first extensive study of their DNA, which dates their origins to more than 50,000 years ago.

www.theguardian.com...

To primitive people, any light in the heavens except the sun and moon were stars. Planets were wandering stars and meteors were falling stars, however, comets may have been viewed somewhat differently in many cultures.

Star is the English term we translated for their word, no matter what the true cultural meaning may have been. Any orbiting man made object, if seen by a prehistoric human through some prophetic vision, would have been thought to be a star of some sort. Just think of a star as a small light in the night sky and any satellite or space station could be a star in their eyes. The qualifiers here are that it is blue, a dwelling place and it crashes to the ground.

a reply to: nobunaga
You did know the OP is from the Native American culture and not Christianity , correct ? guess not.

a reply to: Char-Lee

I don't understand how they determine DNA is fifty thousand years old?

And this is different from Mir burning up in 2001 because reasons.

No one knows the hour of the end of days.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Char-Lee

I don't understand how they determine DNA is fifty thousand years old?

I think this...

he authors of the new study also estimated how far back this genetic mixing had occurred, via the following reasoning: A child born of an Aborigine and an Indian would carry in his or her genome an entire, unbroken stretch of each chromosome, one from each parent. But with each generation, those two chromosomes swap bits and pieces with each other. Down the generations, therefore, the pure Indian or pure Australian chromosome stretches will become increasingly shorter.

Using the size and number of DNA stretches in people alive today, the team ran computer simulations to calculate that 141 generations have passed since the initial interbreeding. With each generation assumed to be 30 years, that adds up to 4,230 years.

articles.latimes.com...

archive.archaeology.org...

a reply to: Char-Lee

According to that they use fossils and tool evidence to estimate the timelines. They have to, there is no fossil DNA to make known good comparisons from.

Not challenging the DNA forensics abut mixing or diverging ethnic groups, just their timelines are estimated. DNA has no built in markers that coincide with the passage of time.

They have to guess. For instance the rock paintings, fire pits and such contain organics maybe that help isolate when certain people inhabited an area, then the DNA is used in conjunction with that.

a reply to: intrptr
I don't know how accurate they could be but they are certainly learning more and more all the time.
Changes in the DNA are what they used.

By noting to what extent individuals shared the roughly 1 million tiny variations that were found, the team could piece together trees that showed how each group of people was genetically related to the others and estimate how long ago the groups had become distinct.

They found, for example, that aboriginal Australians, Papua New Guinea highlanders and the Mamanwa people from the Philippines were genetically closest to each other and diverged about 36,000 years ago. This fit well with earlier genetic studies.

But the team was surprised to find — using four separate statistical methods — that a much more recent genetic mixing with people from India had occurred. They estimated that about 11% of the DNA of aboriginal Australians is derived from this event.

A child born of an Aborigine and an Indian would carry in his or her genome an entire, unbroken stretch of each chromosome, one from each parent. But with each generation, those two chromosomes swap bits and pieces with each other. Down the generations, therefore, the pure Indian or pure Australian chromosome stretches will become increasingly shorter.

Using the size and number of DNA stretches in people alive today, the team ran computer simulations to calculate that 141 generations have passed since the initial interbreeding. With each generation assumed to be 30 years, that adds up to 4,230 years.

articles.latimes.com...

a reply to: Char-Lee

The first block of external text you quote says "estimate", see it? They estimate by comparing genomes wth the archeological digs and the carbon dating of artifacts.

DNA has no time stamp...

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Char-Lee

The first block of external text you quote says "estimate", see it? They estimate by comparing genomes wth the archeological digs and the carbon dating of artifacts.

DNA has no time stamp...

Yes as i think I said I agree with you :-)

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: AndyMayhew

No, pretty sure the 9th sign - if you believe such things - must have been when Skylab crashed to Earth. In 1979

Skylab fell to earth in the Australian Outback. Hopi aren't from there.

So?

Does that mean we have to wait until a space station crashes into the Hopi Nation? For this misquoted out of context "prophesy" to come true? In which case we could be waiting millennia

a reply to: AndyMayhew

misquoted

Could you supply the right form of the prophecy?

a reply to: Char-Lee
Can you?

Allegedly its "When the Blue Star Kachina makes its appearance in the heavens, the Fifth World will emerge"

But personally I dont believe they (who?) made any prophecies at all. Untill someone invented them to sell books ....

a reply to: AndyMayhew

Does that mean we have to wait until a space station crashes into the Hopi Nation?

Where does it say "Space station"?

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
a reply to: Char-Lee
Can you?

Allegedly its "When the Blue Star Kachina makes its appearance in the heavens, the Fifth World will emerge"

But personally I dont believe they (who?) made any prophecies at all. Untill someone invented them to sell books ....

No way to be sure, he did spend time with the Hopi and it is pretty imaginative if he made it up.

Maybe the kachina removing his mask may be when a lizard person lets they true nature be seen in public :-)

An ancient Hopi Indian prophecy states, “When the Blue Star Kachina makes its appearance in the heavens, the Fifth World will emerge”. This will be the Day of Purification. The Hopi name for the star Sirius is Blue Star Kachina. It will come when the Saquasohuh (Blue Star) Kachina dances in the plaza and removes his mask.

Sounds like a happening in the heavens.
www.alamongordo.com...

The ninth and final sign of destruction is described by White Feather as, "You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.".[citation needed] This idea of the Blue Star Kachina marking the end of all Hopi rituals is reflected in Waters' book, Book of the Hopi, in which he states, "The end of all Hopi ceremonialism will come when a kachina removes his mask during a dance in the plaza before uninitiated children.[5]" This absence of Hopi ceremonialism will coincide with the destruction of the Fourth World. Waters suggested that World War III will begin and the United States will be ripped apart by war, leaving only the Hopis and their homeland intact. The war of the end of the world is described by Waters as "a spiritual conflict with material matters [5]".

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: ElGoobero
a reply to: nobunaga

why a Bible-bashing post on this thread? has nothing to do with the Bible or Christianity.
not all prophecies are Biblical/Christian.

Because haters will hate. Ougabooga erroneously believes the "the buy bull" originated in the 17th century!
Ignorance must be bliss.
Why argue with a looser?

We are living in the Kali Yuga age, expect more and more weird things until 2025.

originally posted by: nobunaga
people still believe the buy bull????

the king james version of the the buy bull was completed in 1611 by members of the church of england.
there were ( and still are ) no original texts to translate
the oldest manuscripts we have were written hundreds of years after the last apostle died. there were something like 8000 of these manuscripts with not a one ailke.

the king james translators used none of these anyway. instead they edited previous translations to create a version their king and parliament would approve of.

so....... christians believe that the "word of god" is a book edited in the 17th century...from 16th century translations of 8000 contradictory copies, of 4th century scrolls that claim to be copies of lost letters written in the 2nd century.

thats not faith, thats not religion... thats insanity

Wrong. People like me who are Christian and baptized know that the bible is a work that God has seen to it to be put together as his words of good news and deliverance is possible for those of faith to believe it. Nothing in it teaches hatred but instead love. Love one another. All you are preaching is hate. Christians can have a real relationship with God and he knows who they are and works in their lives to do his will. That is the truth. But pearls before swine and all that..