Johnson & Stein Officially Excluded from Presidential Debates

originally posted by: dragonridr

A we did I hurt your feelings she's a loon bottom line. And no people don't get themselves arrested to make chanhe that's called an anarchist. And as you point out that's thr last thing we need in charge of most powerful military in the world. She'll never win an a election because she is a radical not to mention her communist ideals.

Getting arrested during a protest doesn't make someone an anarchist.

And if she's a communist, she can't be an anarchist; communism requires governance.

Stop showing your ignorance.

If the Bernie supporters and self-styled progressives in the USA actually followed their convictions I think they would be voting for Jill Stein. Instead, quite a few are going to vote for Johnson and others are going to vote for Trump in order to stop Clinton.

It seems very unfortunate for US voters that Jill Stein and Gary Johnson get so little coverage in the USA. Not including all the candidates in a debate is something that simply is not done in other countries and makes the USA, the standard bearer of republicanism and democracy, look like a joke.

Gary Johnson's statement about being excluded from the pseudo-debates makes it very clear that the 2 major parties have rigged the debate by invoking an arbitrary percentage from compiled polling data - as if anyone can trust polling data in the USA.

Trump would greatly benefit by having Jill Stein on the stage for progressives to see and hear what she is offering instead of Mrs. Clinton and her all-war-all-the-time sideshow. Clinton could benefit from Johnson being on stage to pull from Trump the votes of disaffected Republicans, but it is also true that a number of anti-Clinton Democrat voters are supporting Johnson so that may not work out to well for her. Better to keep those two off the stage so the Clinton vs. Trump boxing match can go on as scheduled by The Powers That Be.

If any are interested, go to the 28:05 mark in the youtube vid below and witness Jill Stein appearing recently on Bret Baier's show on FoxNews:

a reply to: Subsonic

Well...surely no one actually believed that they'd allow any other candidate in there with a snowball's chance in hell of actually making it to the debates, right? They were just a formality, after all. Something to keep it looking legit...although honestly at this point, I really don't see why they even bother pretending it actually matters anymore.

a reply to: tigertatzen

I really don't see why they even bother pretending it actually matters anymore.

So it worked. You gave up.

You sheepson you.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: tigertatzen

I really don't see why they even bother pretending it actually matters anymore.

So it worked. You gave up.

You sheepson you.

I'm actually being truthful. I truly don't see the point of keeping up appearances, being mysterious and secretive, whipping the public into a frenzy...I won't stop speaking out about it, so no, I'm not giving up. But why go to the trouble of pretending that this could have turned out any other way? It just seems like such a waste of people's time and energy. All those folks out there being played for fools...good, honest Americans.

a reply to: tigertatzen

But why go to the trouble of pretending that this could have turned out any other way?

Which way did it turn out?
Did I miss it?

a reply to: Kapriti

Yes the debates are rigged against third parties. They crate a catch 22 by saying well they need to poll 15 percent to be included. Than in the polls third party candidates don't get included in all polls because there isn't what they call name recognition. So polls don't always include them and may only poll the two main candidates. Then just before thr election they change polling. Making it virtually impossible for a third party candidate to average 15 percent in 3 polls.

a reply to: dragonridr

Than in the polls third party candidates don't get included in all polls because there isn't what they call name recognition.

But...

The commission determined that the polling averages for the candidates had Clinton at 43%, Trump at 40.4%, Johnson at 8.4% and Stein at 3.2%.

If they are not included wouldn't that be 0%?

originally posted by: ugmold
a reply to: Subsonic
Will they appear on a ballot?

Yes, they will appear on the ballots, Gary Johnson in all 50 states, Jill Stein in most, but not all states I believe.

The issue is that the debates are the single best way to get publicity for your candidate, and therein lies the rub. You need 15% to get into the debates, but you can't get to 15% as a third party without being in the debates. It's a vicious circle that those bastards have devised to keep any dissenting opinions out of the public eye.

a reply to: JetBlackStare

originally posted by: JetBlackStare
Supposedly Bill Weld is going to renounce his Libertarian Party Candidacy.

And where did you hear THAT gem? Or are we in the business of starting baseless rumors now?

a reply to: Subsonic

Well, of course. The debate commission consists of Dems and Reps. They impose a unattainable goal for polling %s that are manipulated by left and right companies. After Perot siphoning votes from the two major parties in '92, and an Independent like Ventura actually winning as Governor of Minnesota, they are afraid of what may happen. Establishment Dems and Reps are a snake with the same body, two different heads. They are both on the road to ruining this country, they're just taking two different paths to get there.

I think Johnson & Stein should hold their own debate the day after Trump & Clinton's debate, and answer all the exact same questions Trump & Clinton were asked the night before.

Or, even better, do a Mystery Science Theatre 3000 style commentary from Stein & Johnson during the debate, now that would be some good entertainment!

originally posted by: Subsonic
I think Johnson & Stein should hold their own debate the day after Trump & Clinton's debate, and answer all the exact same questions Trump & Clinton were asked the night before.

Or, even better, do a Mystery Science Theatre 3000 style commentary from Stein & Johnson during the debate, now that would be some good entertainment!

MST 3000........one of my favorite all time shows.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: tigertatzen

But why go to the trouble of pretending that this could have turned out any other way?

Which way did it turn out?
Did I miss it?

Perhaps you did. The outcome I'm referring to is that Trump and Hillary are the only options left for those who wish to vote...and there was never any real chance for any other candidates. The pretence that there was a possibility of it turning out any other way just seems pointless to me.

And THIS is why they can't allow Stein or Johnson into the debates, because they're becoming a genuine threat. Thankfully, the younger generation is seeing through the smokescreen and are moving away from (R) and (D) and towards 3rd parties.

Allowing Johnson and/or Stein on the debate stage will only give them more publicity, pulling even more votes away from the establishment, and they just can't have that.

Bastards.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: dragonridr

A we did I hurt your feelings she's a loon bottom line. And no people don't get themselves arrested to make chanhe that's called an anarchist. And as you point out that's thr last thing we need in charge of most powerful military in the world. She'll never win an a election because she is a radical not to mention her communist ideals.

Getting arrested during a protest doesn't make someone an anarchist.

And if she's a communist, she can't be an anarchist; communism requires governance.

Stop showing your ignorance.

That is not true. There are multiple forms of anarchism.

(non-free market)
Anarcho-communist
Anarcho-socialist
Anarcho-syndicalist

(free market)
Anarcho-capitalist
Agorism
Voluntaryism

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: Subsonic
I think Johnson & Stein should hold their own debate the day after Trump & Clinton's debate, and answer all the exact same questions Trump & Clinton were asked the night before.

Or, even better, do a Mystery Science Theatre 3000 style commentary from Stein & Johnson during the debate, now that would be some good entertainment!

MST 3000........one of my favorite all time shows.

Mystery Science Theater 3000 is returning to netflix.