Leading NASA scientist Jim Green states complex life possible at Enceladus!

Usually scientists understate when it comes to the unknown. So i was really surprised when Jim Green (Planetary Science Division Director at NASA) states that it is possible that on the ocean world Enceladus (Moon of Saturn) more complex life forms than microbes could exist! All earlier statements about possible life on ocean moons were just about microbial life.

It seems the people at NASA are more certain about this these days.

Statement at 7:20

originally posted by: MeanMinistry
It seems the people at NASA are more certain about this these days.

it seems like every scientist is sure of a lot these days... especially about aliens life.

a reply to: odzeandennz

Well. A lot of the people you are referring to most likely have some sort of physics background. And in physics there is a lot of thinking outside of the box.
Carl Sagan expressed in the Cosmos that life could spring up in any environment, it will simply just adapt. His example was giant organisms floating around Jupiter, or tiny organisms swimming deep down on one of it's moons.
The Goldilocks zone is the perfect area for life that would be like what we see on earth. But life on one of Saturn's moons may look very different, and has it's own goldilocks zone.

These "scientists" need to either show us life on other planets/moons or shut the hell up about it.

There could be life anywhere in the universe. Until there's proof (you know, based on observational evidence), it doesn't exist.

That's what they say about God. Why don't they say that about extra-terrestrial life?

Because they're hypocrites with a social agenda.

a reply to: NthOther

Did you watch the video? I did and it was fascinating. The man didn't say life was there; merely that it was one of the prime suspects for life in our solar system outside of Earth. He showed that energy, water, and organic chemistry are what they believe are needed for life, so they've narrowed the search for life down to places that have those 3.

The part about Enceladus is because it appears to have hydrothermal vents. He basically says that if the correct organic compounds are there, then this mix of water, energy, and organic compounds could be enough for life to exist there. And with the conditions possibly being the same there for many millions of years, any life there could've had time to evolve into more complex creatures than simple microbes.

originally posted by: NthOther
These "scientists" need to either show us life on other planets/moons or shut the hell up about it.

There could be life anywhere in the universe. Until there's proof (you know, based on observational evidence), it doesn't exist.

That's what they say about God. Why don't they say that about extra-terrestrial life?

Because they're hypocrites with a social agenda.

The guy is hypocritical for suggesting Enceladus is one of the primary locations suitable for collecting the sort of empirical evidence you seem to be in favor of?

What social agenda are you talking about?

And what does any of this have to do with the unfalsifiability of God?

originally posted by: NthOther
These "scientists" need to either show us life on other planets/moons or shut the hell up about it.

There could be life anywhere in the universe. Until there's proof (you know, based on observational evidence), it doesn't exist.

That's what they say about God. Why don't they say that about extra-terrestrial life?

Because they're hypocrites with a social agenda.

There is no official science position on God - you will find many scientists who are quite capable of having a religious faith whilst still believing in science as a method of finding, measuring and explaining the phenomena we see around us.

The video does not state that there is life on Enceladus. It says that it is a very likely place for it. Here are his exact words:

So what about Enceladus? Well, we believe because it has water and has had it for a significant period of time, and we believe it has hydrothermal vents with perhaps the right organic material, it is a place where life could exist. And not just microbial -- maybe more complex because it's had time to evolve.

My bold for emphasis. How many absolutes and definites are in there as opposed to qualifiers?

They are producing theories based on evidence they have collected, and want to get more. How is that hypocrisy?

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Wow. This might be the first time I've ever seen someone be ticked off that life exists on another planet/moon.

A very valid proposition. Take liquid water, hydrothermal vents that pump a "soup" of organic molecules, and a few billions of years, and there could appear not only microbes but highly-specialised colonies of cells that eventually start acting like a single organism.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: odzeandennz

Well. A lot of the people you are referring to most likely have some sort of physics background. And in physics there is a lot of thinking outside of the box.
Carl Sagan expressed in the Cosmos that life could spring up in any environment, it will simply just adapt. His example was giant organisms floating around Jupiter, or tiny organisms swimming deep down on one of it's moons.
The Goldilocks zone is the perfect area for life that would be like what we see on earth. But life on one of Saturn's moons may look very different, and has it's own goldilocks zone.

This makes most sense to me, but meeting up with plasma creatures in the sun may be a problem, maybe we should look for goldilocks zones

It's becoming the new consensus -- I've got to run like hell to stay out in front of 'established wisdom'. [grin]

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