Man Interrupts Catholic Prayer….

originally posted by: luthier
Well despite all the insanity being spewed here the solution to these issues lies in interfaith dialogue. If we alienate all muslims as extremists we cwrtainly are going to loose this fight. The only resolution will be empowering moderate modern muslims reclaim the territory's being over run with extremists.

It will take moderates working with the secular and other faiths to assure them there is a very different view out there. Indonesia has a female president a long time ago for example. She didnt wear a burqa.

If we start behaving like monsters towards all muslims we surely will loose the chance for usefull dialogue and community change.

Or we put up walls, build armies, and have a good old holy war.

My fellow non religious we should pool our money and buy some islands and get out of this mess.

Ill be the first to join you buddy. But no loud music after 10pm alright?

a reply to: Mclaneinc

And what do you think led up to your experience outside the mosque, and has made the tensions here in the UK so volatile?

The 'intolerance' of our Western culture, of the actions of theirs?

originally posted by: noonebutme

originally posted by: PandaPrincess

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Well that was really Christian of him.

what a petty pathetic thing to say

But very accurate. I thought Christians preached tolerance and peace. That guy did the exact opposite.

Again.. not very Christian.

1/2.2 billion Christians did something extremely violent and uncalled for.. let's paint them all with the broad brush now and assume that none of them practice what they preach!

Or did I read your comment wrong?

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: Mclaneinc

And what do you think led up to your experience outside the mosque, and has made the tensions here in the UK so volatile?

The 'intolerance' of our Western culture, of the actions of theirs?

Its both. But lets not deny whats going on with some muslims in host countries either.

That doesnt mean the far right hasnt found a way to manipulate a neonazi agenda.

There is no solutions without bringing muslims to the table. Otherwise lets just get on with the holy war.

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
a reply to: Logarock

THis would not have been news until some far right Muslim hating idiots decided to make a description for this video that clearly does not match the video being shown

We don't even know if that man who was assaulted was a Muslim,I suggest you actually watch the video before coming on here and making a complete arse of yourself

Yes I saw that and know it but just following the narrative. The facts about the video are irrelevant. Thats been the conversation here. Notes about the vid were made on the first page and have been noted.

I have also noted that the only folks that get this line about the real nature of the vid are folks that may be trying to defend the "puncher". All others are free to spew!

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix
a reply to: 3danimator2014

Not ONCE has anybody who started those threads apologised

Apologize??? That's not going to happen, not after the way I have been attacked and spoken to by people who do not agree with me. I'm dug in now and those who think they know me and proclaim this or that or go out of your way to offend/insult me are no better than me. You disagree so you grab torches and pitch forks and make your snide little comments like your any better. All I did was post a video with an article and took the stance of believing the article and for that I have been attacked vehemently and by many. Well the joke is on you all because I have thick skin and no concern for the opinions of strangers. I do however like to play devils advocate from time to time and take a hard stance on a controversial subject for the purpose of keeping my writing/debating skills sharp or at least practiced.

You judge me based on a post and with no real insight into who I am or how I live my life. I'm actually the most chill and generous person you could meet. I hate bullies, love animals, nature, my friends and family. I felt like debating and today I knew that this would strike a cord which meant good practice for me. Some of you though need to calm down and stop taking everything so personally and casting judgment as if your worthy to do so.

You are attacked because you LIED. And then lied some more, then some more for good measure.

Again from the guy who insults my intelligence, you say I lied. I didn't lie, I posted an article with video and took a stance. My stance being that I believe what was reported whereas you do not, no lie there at least not from me. If and I emphasize on the if there was a lie then it was reported that way. I did not write the article so go throw your rocks somewhere else.

Then i will ask you AGAIN. Since you seem to be repeating this line that you truely believe what happened was as posted. its a simple question

Why do you think this man is a muslim?

Simple question. Stop avoiding it.

Well I believe that he was playing music as reported and based on that I would assume that the music was Islamic prayer music which is very distinct and easy to distinguish. That's just off the top of my head and ignoring the possibility of facts being gathered and reported post incident. Could I be wrong...sure but I haven't seen an argument yet that compels me to feel that way. So far all I have received is faux outrage and accusations against my character and let me tell you I'm not prone to listening to people who speak to me that way.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

Ok I dont want to be punched.

I am becoming more serious about this all the time.

Just want to be left alone and not forced into some agenda that is dividing us more.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: 3danimator2014

Ok I dont want to be punched.

I am becoming more serious about this all the time.

Just want to be left alone and not forced into some agenda that is dividing us more.

Look how easily we're all manipulated! It's crazy!

Time to take a breath and step away my friend..

I'll quote it again.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities

Are there rules on ATS about advocating random violence?

Because the OP's description of the video doesn't comport with what I saw happen.

originally posted by: SentientCentenarian
Are there rules on ATS about advocating random violence?

Because the OP's description of the video doesn't comport with what I saw happen.

Do you feel you were "microaggressed" in your "safe space"?

Welcome to the real world. People have opinions that won't always agree with yours.

a reply to: SentientCentenarian

That crossed my mind as well.

And i competed in Judo, Wrestling, and amateur kickboxing so...

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: Mclaneinc

And what do you think led up to your experience outside the mosque, and has made the tensions here in the UK so volatile?

The 'intolerance' of our Western culture, of the actions of theirs?

Its both. But lets not deny whats going on with some muslims in host countries either.

That doesnt mean the far right hasnt found a way to manipulate a neonazi agenda.

There is no solutions without bringing muslims to the table. Otherwise lets just get on with the holy war.

Here is how that works though.....the press and the control central allow the abuse to go on until nationalism or tribal concerns start to manifest and then that press calls the concerned "racists and far right nationalist like the Nazi Germans further putting them on the defense......but never showing the concerns of the concerned in any other lite.

Simple.....press are 5th columnists organization working with PTB that have some sort of agenda. And besides white Britain its not the Muslims and the like but your own white brothers selling your country to those that have no historical stake in it, don't respect it or you.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix



" So far all I have received is faux outrage and accusations against my character and let me tell you I'm not prone to listening to people who speak to me that way. "



the last sentence of your op essentially calls for violence, so my outrage is real.

and, the whining... are you a man or a boy?

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

So what if someone felt their praying was disturbing them, can they just start throwing punches? As far as I can see this is a public area no? These "christians" do not have exclusive rights to it and I don't have to respect their chanting to their imaginary sky god.

a reply to: Logarock

Sure...however we should have the intelect and the historical record to not buy into all the subversion.


Because ultimately being outraged and having no desire to work on social issues will lead to the worst possible situation.

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

" So far all I have received is faux outrage and accusations against my character and let me tell you I'm not prone to listening to people who speak to me that way. "

The last sentence of your op essentially calls for violence, so my outrage is real.

and, the whining... are you a man or a boy?

You're full of more s**t than a whale. No it doesn't. Your reading comprehension blows.

You can't get around him any other way, so now you start crying wolf. Crybaby.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix
To the group praying though it would have certainly been distracting and rude.

What if someone did not like hearing their praying? Should they go over and cold cock them?

Bingo. I personally found it incredibly pretentious and nauseating.

Funny that both of you seem to be responding to the response in this video as intolerant. Or at least that's how I take it. Yet you counter it with, who'd a guess it... Intolerance. Mankind has a long way before we grow up. Calling someone's praying pretentious and nauseating. That's disgusting, and I'm not even religious.

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix
a reply to: 3danimator2014

Not ONCE has anybody who started those threads apologised

Apologize??? That's not going to happen, not after the way I have been attacked and spoken to by people who do not agree with me. I'm dug in now and those who think they know me and proclaim this or that or go out of your way to offend/insult me are no better than me. You disagree so you grab torches and pitch forks and make your snide little comments like your any better. All I did was post a video with an article and took the stance of believing the article and for that I have been attacked vehemently and by many. Well the joke is on you all because I have thick skin and no concern for the opinions of strangers. I do however like to play devils advocate from time to time and take a hard stance on a controversial subject for the purpose of keeping my writing/debating skills sharp or at least practiced.

You judge me based on a post and with no real insight into who I am or how I live my life. I'm actually the most chill and generous person you could meet. I hate bullies, love animals, nature, my friends and family. I felt like debating and today I knew that this would strike a cord which meant good practice for me. Some of you though need to calm down and stop taking everything so personally and casting judgment as if your worthy to do so.

You are attacked because you LIED. And then lied some more, then some more for good measure.

Again from the guy who insults my intelligence, you say I lied. I didn't lie, I posted an article with video and took a stance. My stance being that I believe what was reported whereas you do not, no lie there at least not from me. If and I emphasize on the if there was a lie then it was reported that way. I did not write the article so go throw your rocks somewhere else.

Then i will ask you AGAIN. Since you seem to be repeating this line that you truely believe what happened was as posted. its a simple question

Why do you think this man is a muslim?

Simple question. Stop avoiding it.

Well I believe that he was playing music as reported and based on that I would assume that the music was Islamic prayer music which is very distinct and easy to distinguish. That's just off the top of my head and ignoring the possibility of facts being gathered and reported post incident. Could I be wrong...sure but I haven't seen an argument yet that compels me to feel that way. So far all I have received is faux outrage and accusations against my character and let me tell you I'm not prone to listening to people who speak to me that way.

Dont use the words faux outrage to justify what you did.

I am sick to death of reading posts like yours here on ATS. You and others like you are responsible for spreading hate. You lie, use questionable sources and then dont back down. This is not "faux". Posts like this bring the tone of ATS down.

As for the video. Its sickening and i sincerely hope that that thug is arrested. You are watching a man sucker punched, falling flat onto his face and then being beaten up some more...and you think this is acceptable? You think we are feigning beiung disgusted by that thugs actions? Well, we are not. Any decent human being should be disgusted by what is happening in this video.

And you are only bringing up faux outrage after another member said it. Do you have any original thoughts at all?

Anyway, im out of here.