President of Philippines to UN - I don't give a [snip] about your repercussions

a reply to: slider1982

It is hard for westerners to understand Philippine culture for many reason.

They can't believe and won't understand this is a right brain culture rooted in taboo/religion - totally foreign from western culture where religion is added on top of instead of root belief system.

It is tribal in nature. The country is a nation of tribes. And each tribe knows who the drug users are and the pushers and who is the officials to goto get things done.

Face, while somewhat known in the west, is everything here. Pinoy pride is not to be messed with. Many westerners get in trouble here not understanding.

How to explain to those who aren't here that these three things explain the how and why of Dutertes actions. There is no basis of comparison to open a dialogue as they think his actions come out of isolated (vs tribal) western left brained thought (vs right brain and face). They do not.

So when the western diplomat insults his tribal leader face, Duterte lashes out in typical right brained Pinoy fashion. Etc.

They expect wester left brain response and interpret his actions from that perspective.

originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
To the people that think this guy is "great" for executing people extrajudicially because of drug wheeling and dealing...

GET A GRIP! WAKE UP!!!

Have you not been paying attention and the massive failure rates of the WAR on drugs?

And for those Americans who are all for this kind of dictatorship

Your being fed lies by MSM.

The Philippines is not the USA. Over 9 out of ten here are happy with what he's doing.

Maybe you need to get a grip and wake up.

Come here and maybe it will open your eyes.

I pay no attention to the msm. Care to share where you get those stats of 9/10?

Indeed the Philippines are not the US...no doubt they have been heavily influenced over the years though. I was aiming my comment at people from the US who seemed to support this guys way of doing things.

Hey, if people are happy with extra judicial kilings...by all means have at it. I just dont see it as a logical solution to a drug problem. Also, why should people be killed by the state for using or distributing drugs? The black market dissapears when prohibition dissapears.

Again, I see no logic with these ways of control, but thats probably the number one reason I'll never live in or visit such a place. If Fillipinos like to live like this, then by all means bask in the glory of state oppression and fear.

I know because I live here. Everyone talks about how proud they are of him and what and how he's doing.

He's cleaning up the country and they are very, very happy.

I've heard several polls and even some of the msm pieces admit he's got over 90 percent approval before they slander him.

Here's link to one poll result. 91 percent approval 8 percent undecided. When has any us president had that type of approval rating?

www.rappler.com...

before you start applying your western judgments you need to come here's and understand the history, people, and culture. Duterte is a good leader taking on a very difficult situation. He is not a hitler or Stalin. And what your hearing about killings is much overblown and spin.

On the ground here in the Philippines people are happier and proud. They are very happy with their leader. Crime is plummeting and national pride is very, very high.

Well that's that then.

I fully admit I am completely removed from the front lines. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Sad that it had to come to this point. Hopefully they have a logical plan to heal the country when everything is under control. Perhaps they wil try and remove the power from the black market with legalization? The opposite cearly put them into the situation they currently are in.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
To the people that think this guy is "great" for executing people extrajudicially because of drug wheeling and dealing...

GET A GRIP! WAKE UP!!!

Have you not been paying attention and the massive failure rates of the WAR on drugs?

And for those Americans who are all for this kind of dictatorship behavior...

If you are not free to pursue life, liberty and happiness...to even the degree of experimenting with YOUR mind and/or body...then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it's written on!

Prohibition has and always will fail.

The fact that people are dying at the hands of others (gov't) and not through their own FREE choice is an abomination of Freedom...as it is truly the furthest thing from it.

Oh...it's their choice to take the drugs and deal them...they know the consequences...

Get real.

This is not how humans work. Nor should we be scared into submission.

F$@K this idiot politician!

It's the Philippines, dude.

originally posted by: Nyiah
I've kept up on the news from this twisted policy. This will blow up in supporters' faces in due time.

Philippines civil war isn't too far off if unchecked execution keeps up. If Filipinos were smart, they'd drag Duarte into the streets and be done with him before it goes full-on government bloodbath on them.

Legally executing convicted dealers is one thing, and to a degree, convicted addicts if need be it. But this isn't moral in any manner in it's current SOP. There is no proof presented, only a cardboard justice carte blanche with the Pick Someone excuse to murder anyone you please. No repercussions, no restraint, no way to prove anything. Just accuse, and kill, that's all Duarte asks for.

Wise the hell up over there.

What the hell do they put in the water over there to have a population that is happy to be judged without any kind of due course....?

Makes me wonder if the majority population there are suffering some sort if mass Stockholm syndrome....

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Makes me wonder if the majority population there are suffering some sort if mass Stockholm syndrome....

Here we go again..........


Nope they where fed up of asking the Government to sort the issues out only for the Elite to take advantage and line their own pockets. Year after year people where known to be totally untouchable and had every Police Chief on a Payroll and using the Justice system as a get out of jail free card.

The Drug dealer clamp down is one small piece of the puzzle the other massive bit of meat on the table was the corruption, it is/was epidemic, look at the "Bullet scam" for Just one idea of what was going on with officials..

www.channelnewsasia.com...

This has gone on for decades really, and why was that? it was because you had a weak Government that was unwilling to take control of these people. Police, Security officials, almost all public service departments where running some sort of extortion or racket..

That is why Duterte has a 90% approval and I actually believe it would be far bit higher still, I have seen my own country in the UK turn into a total sh1t hole over the last 2-3 decades due to a Regressive left Government system that has weakened every ounce of the population into mundane mediocrity so they can push their agenda. All whist spouting EU regulation number blah blah blah to avoid just getting on with the job at hand and listening to the people.

Here the people wanted a end to the Drug dealers and criminals getting off just because they where connected (It is a Catholic country after all, eye for a eye).. They wanted a end to the Corruption and the constant need to "know someone" to get anything done. The local Police where pleading for resources that went totally ignored by the Government, Hospitals where asking why they where working in such poor conditions when the actual GDP of the country was actually very good. It was because untold amounts of money where taken by the elite for their own needs.


Change is happening here if you like it or not only time will tell if it is for the best but 90% say it is... Pifff say what you want he is not going anywhere at the moment??.

Duterte was interviewed yesterday and the jist of it was "if I do not stick to my policies and word you can hang me or I will hang myself".....

RA

a reply to: slider1982

We can hope them all the best but these types of strong governments usually end up being a case of meet the new boss, the same or worse than the old boss.

Like I said in my first post in this thread, clean-up usually ends up being the first step in eliminating the opposition and then filling the empty spots with their people.

ETA: A high popularity score does not mean that the guy is not in it just for his own power trip.

originally posted by: Misterlondon
This guy has a 91% approval rating in his country.. The Philippines was really bad before he came along.
And it's not just a war against drugs it is also a war against the corruption and filth that a rife within this nation.
Before this the criminals were just paying off the cops.. If he can clean this dirty nation then so be it.

Just want to say though, don't agree with the murder and feel everyone is entitled to a fair trial..

I wonder WHY his approval rating is so high?

Maybe...FEAR?

Political dissidents? They're "drug dealers" now. Kill em'!

I SERIOUSLY doubt 91% of the "people" support him. More like 91% of the people are to AFRAID to say anything.

a reply to: DanteGaland

Honestly, people are pretty quick to give up freedom for security. Like pianopraze said right-brainers. Sorry to say this but these are reactionaries that turn into lynch mobs.

None of them are thinking, "If someone yelled out that I'm a drug dealer, I would want a little due process".

originally posted by: DanteGaland

originally posted by: Misterlondon
This guy has a 91% approval rating in his country.. The Philippines was really bad before he came along.
And it's not just a war against drugs it is also a war against the corruption and filth that a rife within this nation.
Before this the criminals were just paying off the cops.. If he can clean this dirty nation then so be it.

Just want to say though, don't agree with the murder and feel everyone is entitled to a fair trial..

I wonder WHY his approval rating is so high?

Maybe...FEAR?

Political dissidents? They're "drug dealers" now. Kill em'!

I SERIOUSLY doubt 91% of the "people" support him. More like 91% of the people are to AFRAID to say anything.

Well what is the general consensus that you get from the people in this thread That actually live in the country???.... Be it expat or native? What is being said????....

Are they scared??, are they afraid to speak out?, do they say the approval rating is wrong going on their own personal observations of the situation??..


RA

originally posted by: DanteGaland

originally posted by: Misterlondon
This guy has a 91% approval rating in his country.. The Philippines was really bad before he came along.
And it's not just a war against drugs it is also a war against the corruption and filth that a rife within this nation.
Before this the criminals were just paying off the cops.. If he can clean this dirty nation then so be it.

Just want to say though, don't agree with the murder and feel everyone is entitled to a fair trial..

I wonder WHY his approval rating is so high?

Maybe...FEAR?

Political dissidents? They're "drug dealers" now. Kill em'!

I SERIOUSLY doubt 91% of the "people" support him. More like 91% of the people are to AFRAID to say anything.

People are proud. Not afraid here.

His getting elected was a ground swell grass roots populist movement. He promised to end the bullet planting scam that was affecting over sea foreign workers. Which he did very quickly. He promised to fight the drugs and corruption on all levels up to be very top.

And unlike any western politician ever. He is doing it and very successful so far.

It might be hard to understand in any western country but the people are behind him and he is delivering what he promised.

a reply to: slider1982
a reply to: pianopraze
Many dictators had great approval ratings when starting out.

Had them afterwards as well but, not for the same reasons.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: slider1982
a reply to: pianopraze
Many dictators had great approval ratings when starting out.

Had them afterwards as well but, not for the same reasons.

If he comes for the guns and puts long term marshal law in place I will get worried, until then we will all need to wait and see...

But the direct questions I answered was from DanteGaland above that stated the approval rating was due to fear rather than being a accurant feeling from the populations..

RA

a reply to: slider1982

Fair enough but he doesn't have to do that to break his promises. Like I posted above he has already admitted that he has received gifts that, according to his words, "secure his family".

From a pastor wanting to fight drugs. I don't think "western minds" find that all that difficult to understand.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: slider1982
a reply to: pianopraze
Many dictators had great approval ratings when starting out.

Had them afterwards as well but, not for the same reasons.

I can't report on fears. Only what is.

I can note that he's 72 years old and he is taking on corruption, drug dealers, and terrorist organizations.

he doesn't really expect a long rule or long life and has said this several times.

He's got a real set of brass balls. If he accomplishes half of what he is setting out to do he will be a national hero for the ages.

a reply to: slider1982

Are you a drug dealer....are you trying to hide that you sell drugs for a living by making stuff up for ATS so it sounds like you are not a drug dealer.... Should I alert the authorities that I suspect you are a drug dealer slider1982?

originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: slider1982
a reply to: pianopraze
Many dictators had great approval ratings when starting out.

Had them afterwards as well but, not for the same reasons.

I can't report on fears. Only what is.

I can note that he's 72 years old and he is taking on corruption, drug dealers, and terrorist organizations.

he doesn't really expect a long rule or long life and has said this several times.

He's got a real set of brass balls. If he accomplishes half of what he is setting out to do he will be a national hero for the ages.

Indeed how many contract have been put on him by the criminal elements?? how many millions of pesos???..

The terrorist aspect is something that has not even been spoken about on this thread regarding Isis members in the Islamic controlled Mindanao region where numerous members of the elite special action force where slaughtered, f#cking lions led by a bunch of sheep that was, to say these soldiers where let down is a massive understatement, would the same have happened under Duterte??...

Plus the communist element...

Oh well, funny old world ain't it.....


RA

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: slider1982

Are you a drug dealer....are you trying to hide that you sell drugs for a living by making stuff up for ATS so it sounds like you are not a drug dealer.... Should I alert the authorities that I suspect you are a drug dealer slider1982?

Nice below the belt comment there mate, top marks shows a lot about you on a personal level I guess....

Lucky for me mate everything I posted was either facts or personal statements as stated and not guess work or assumptions, or even straight contradictions like I have witnessed earlier in the thread..


RA

a reply to: pianopraze

Popularity is not a measure of justice. Don't get me wrong I live in a place where the latest trend is "Gang member seen, gang member killed". I agree that these hard stances don't mean that bodies are just lying all over the place.

My point is that just because someone says they have the people's interest at heart doesn't make it so. Here in Guatemala the last president and vice president promised a firm hand, their firm hands where found inside the cookie jar.

Maybe Duterte is different but he has already accepted that he has taken gifts. Makes no difference to me because I'm not filipino but if I were I'd be digging deeper.

originally posted by: slider1982


Indeed how many contract have been put on him by the criminal elements?? how many millions of pesos???..

The terrorist aspect is something that has not even been spoken about on this thread regarding Isis members in the Islamic controlled Mindanao region where numerous members of the elite special action force where slaughtered, f#cking lions led by a bunch of sheep that was, to say these soldiers where let down is a massive understatement, would the same have happened under Duterte??...

Plus the communist element...

Oh well, funny old world ain't it.....


RA

www.manilatimes.net...

There has been a long running war with kidnapping for hire terrorists in the south. Deterte has said he's going to end it and giving his people he training and equipment they need.

Meanwhile Obama is paying them off.


Daskakik:

I don't know anything about central or sa politics. I wish you the best there.

Most of the extra judicial killings here I've heard about were drug dealers silencing people who were going to testify against them like slider mentioned. I did hear about one hit woman, yes woman, who killed a few drug dealers Charles Bronson style. I think she is in jail herself now.

This is not a country in the midst of a killing spree by officers or roving death squads as the msm reports. Homicides are down significantly and on track to be lowest year ever from the stats I've seen.

originally posted by: pianopraze
This is not a country in the midst of a killing spree by officers or roving death squads as the msm reports. Homicides are down significantly and on track to be lowest year ever from the stats I've seen.

I said that I agree with you on how these hard stances don't mean that a blood bath ensues.

My point was that Duterte has already accepted that he has someone that he may owe a favor to.

ETA: And, that someone is a pastor which sounds a lot like what america's whole war on drugs is based on.