President of Philippines to UN - I don't give a [snip] about your repercussions

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Who's to say Duterte isn't corrupt as well? Who decides who is and isn't corrupt?

All you need to do is take someone out and place a "this was a drug dealer/SOB" sign and it's all good. Hey what could go wrong?

a reply to: daskakik

If you have evidence Duterte is present it. I presented evidence the journalists was corrupt. He was on the take and was proven to have been telling lies about people using his radio program.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
If you have evidence Duterte is present it. I presented evidence the journalists was corrupt. He was on the take and was proven to have been telling lies about people using his radio program.

Present it to who?

If he's killing journalists, where exactly am I supposed to find this proof?

And how do you know that that other guy was really on the take? Duterte's people said so?

ETA: Maybe people are not as afraid, Duterte's hidden wealth

True? Beats me. Maybe he'll end up with an SOB sign on him.

originally posted by: daskakik

And how do you know that that other guy was really on the take? Duterte's people said so?

How is Pala's colleague "Duterte's people". This was Pala's people saying he was corrupt.

Sounds like you are reaching.

As for your source.. the guy said he can prove it .. then never offered any proof. Not only is there no proof that bank account exists or belongs to Duterte, there is no proof of any tie to corruption.

Keep reaching.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I don't really care all that much. I'm just saying that political stories there, like anywhere, have two sides. You only want to look at one side. Stong men like this usually only allow one side to be published.

The reason I don't really care is because I knew you would just brush off whatever I posted.

a reply to: daskakik

It's easy to say that when you post nothing.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Even easier when you post something and it is actually brushed off.

a reply to: daskakik

If proving something by quoting and sourcing is brushing off then yep, you got brushed off hard.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You quoted and cited something on Duterte's hidden wealth? If so, you forgot to place it in the actual post and if not, then it is just a soft brush off.

Saying that I'm not that interested means that I'm not willing to look deeper into it. Makes no difference to me.

I live in a third world country and in my experience, those hard line leaders are often just as corrupt as, if not more corrupt than those they go after. YMMV.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You quoted and cited something on Duterte's hidden wealth? If so, you forgot to place it in the actual post and if not, then it is just a soft brush off.

No, it was there, you saw it, and lied about it saying it was a Duterte source even though it's not, it's a colleague and friend of the reporter.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04


Nelly Castillo, Pala’s colleague, said that Pala had also compromised the ethics of the broadcast profession. “Sometimes he would admit that he was corrupt and that he received money from his friends. But what made him popular was that he was not afraid to speak out.”

archives.newsbreak-knowledge.ph...

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
No, it was there, you saw it, and lied about it saying it was a Duterte source even though it's not, it's a colleague and friend of the reporter.

That wasn't about Dutertes hidden wealth.

Good to know that you are not that interested either, at least not enough to follow the flow of the thread.

Gave this story ten more minutes and came up with this:
Duterte accepted gifts from a pastor friend, much like Pala accepted things from his friends but, this isn't corruption, it's different. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

“There is nothing wrong with accepting a birthday gift. Quiboloy is not even transacting anything with the government. Kung birthday at nagbigay, siyempre depende sa capacity ng giver,” lawyer Salvador Panelo said in a television interview.

On Monday night, Duterte admitted receiving gifts from his longtime friend, including three real properties in Davao City and a sport-utility vehicle with a current market value of P3 million.

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
To the people that think this guy is "great" for executing people extrajudicially because of drug wheeling and dealing...

GET A GRIP! WAKE UP!!!

Have you not been paying attention and the massive failure rates of the WAR on drugs?

And for those Americans who are all for this kind of dictatorship

Your being fed lies by MSM.

The Philippines is not the USA. Over 9 out of ten here are happy with what he's doing.

Maybe you need to get a grip and wake up.

Come here and maybe it will open your eyes.

originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
To the people that think this guy is "great" for executing people extrajudicially because of drug wheeling and dealing...

GET A GRIP! WAKE UP!!!

Have you not been paying attention and the massive failure rates of the WAR on drugs?

And for those Americans who are all for this kind of dictatorship

Your being fed lies by MSM.

The Philippines is not the USA. Over 9 out of ten here are happy with what he's doing.

Maybe you need to get a grip and wake up.

Come here and maybe it will open your eyes.

I pay no attention to the msm. Care to share where you get those stats of 9/10?

Indeed the Philippines are not the US...no doubt they have been heavily influenced over the years though. I was aiming my comment at people from the US who seemed to support this guys way of doing things.

Hey, if people are happy with extra judicial kilings...by all means have at it. I just dont see it as a logical solution to a drug problem. Also, why should people be killed by the state for using or distributing drugs? The black market dissapears when prohibition dissapears.

Again, I see no logic with these ways of control, but thats probably the number one reason I'll never live in or visit such a place. If Fillipinos like to live like this, then by all means bask in the glory of state oppression and fear.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Sparkymedic

Here is what people who lived under his rule when he was mayor have to say ...

“The drug problem here was huge, it was sickening,” Totor, 55, said as glassy-eyed men sat on wooden benches at sunset drinking his ultra-cheap drink out of plastic cups. “Now it’s okay. It’s better.”

www.scmp.com...

If you deal drugs, I have no sympathy when you end up in a body bag.

How to deal with this "holier than though" attitude...assuming you have a lower level of education, if at all, and were raised in a developing country...would it be unrealistic to believe that you could easily end up distributing in the VERY lucrative drug trade? I would like to think I would avoid it and do an honest job to sustain life, but I cant really say for sure as I have never been born into destitution.

Keep in mind its only lucrative, and out of control, because its illegal.

Indeed, drugs in general...legal as well...are quite a social issue. In fact they are a public health issue. Always have been and always will be. It's just that the unthinking majority jumps on the bandwagon to allow an oppresive state to deal with a public health crisis...because you know, they have all the answers, or so their propaganda says. Their answers are to use the only tool they have, a hammer (guns). Therefore every problem they try and fix looks like a nail that needs hitting. And what do you know, the opposition they hit with the hammer usualy has hammers themselves....way to make a problem into a bigger problem.

These problems of drug abuse throughout the society may be quashed for a time being due to the fear of death at the hands of the state, but what is worse? The state doing the killing or the drugs?

Personally, I dont think either are good. They are both senseless ways to die and put huge strains on the probably very fragile social system in the Phillipines. Vice always has and always will exist in human. So if it's not the illegal drugs that get them, it will most definitely be something else. Is alcohol banned in PL?

The people who sell the drugs clealry are corrupted by the fact they can make an easy and big pay-day. But the same could be said about the other side to this issue as well. You know...power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Come back down to earth and realize that all humans, everywhere, suffer hardships and struggle at this life thing at one point or another. There is no reason to kill people over the altering of the mind. There is absolutely every reason to get them the help they need to survive this crazy thing we call life. And no cop, solider, or politician has the skills or ability to help. Healthcare professionals are the only hope to help a hurting body and mind.

This "solution" to the drug problem in the Phillipines is nothing but a total and epic failure of typical politics. If he really wanted to help he wouldnt be killing anyone. War is a failure of politics and diplomacy. This man is at war with his own people.

Do the majority support him becasue they are scared for their own lives not to?

originally posted by: Sparkymedic

originally posted by: pianopraze

originally posted by: Sparkymedic
To the people that think this guy is "great" for executing people extrajudicially because of drug wheeling and dealing...

GET A GRIP! WAKE UP!!!

Have you not been paying attention and the massive failure rates of the WAR on drugs?

And for those Americans who are all for this kind of dictatorship

Your being fed lies by MSM.

The Philippines is not the USA. Over 9 out of ten here are happy with what he's doing.

Maybe you need to get a grip and wake up.

Come here and maybe it will open your eyes.

I pay no attention to the msm. Care to share where you get those stats of 9/10?

Indeed the Philippines are not the US...no doubt they have been heavily influenced over the years though. I was aiming my comment at people from the US who seemed to support this guys way of doing things.

Hey, if people are happy with extra judicial kilings...by all means have at it. I just dont see it as a logical solution to a drug problem. Also, why should people be killed by the state for using or distributing drugs? The black market dissapears when prohibition dissapears.

Again, I see no logic with these ways of control, but thats probably the number one reason I'll never live in or visit such a place. If Fillipinos like to live like this, then by all means bask in the glory of state oppression and fear.

I know because I live here. Everyone talks about how proud they are of him and what and how he's doing.

He's cleaning up the country and they are very, very happy.

I've heard several polls and even some of the msm pieces admit he's got over 90 percent approval before they slander him.

Here's link to one poll result. 91 percent approval 8 percent undecided. When has any us president had that type of approval rating?

www.rappler.com...

before you start applying your western judgments you need to come here's and understand the history, people, and culture. Duterte is a good leader taking on a very difficult situation. He is not a hitler or Stalin. And what your hearing about killings is much overblown and spin.

On the ground here in the Philippines people are happier and proud. They are very happy with their leader. Crime is plummeting and national pride is very, very high.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: Meee32

You've focused on the killing which is what the mainstream want you to do, that's fine.

If only everybody focused on the good aspects of the Third Reich, Imperial Japan, and Stalinist Russia instead of the killing.
Eliminate the extra judicial killings and it doesn't seem so bad does it?

A worthy comparison.

Oh wait...

a reply to: uncommitted

It's not a bad thing but it detracts from the point, there's something to be said for a leader who isn't a puppet.

This leader obviously thinks the modern idea of due process is not exactly a due process.

I've kept up on the news from this twisted policy. This will blow up in supporters' faces in due time.

Philippines civil war isn't too far off if unchecked execution keeps up. If Filipinos were smart, they'd drag Duarte into the streets and be done with him before it goes full-on government bloodbath on them.

Legally executing convicted dealers is one thing, and to a degree, convicted addicts if need be it. But this isn't moral in any manner in it's current SOP. There is no proof presented, only a cardboard justice carte blanche with the Pick Someone excuse to murder anyone you please. No repercussions, no restraint, no way to prove anything. Just accuse, and kill, that's all Duarte asks for.

Wise the hell up over there.

a reply to: pianopraze

I was really trying to not post in this thread anymore, but with the amount of people making statements and they are not even in the country and stating "I will never travel to the Philippines, or they have not even been here in the first place" there are important facts that you simply will not get or understand outside the country..

Could Duterte be a dictator?.. As I clearly stated in my first post Yes he "could", is he a dictator at the moment? NO...

It is also noteworthy to remember that Benigno Aquino III the previous president put in place the

Cybercrime Prevention Act of 2012 that had some very serious information tied into it regarding liable and what could be written or said about the Government.
en.wikipedia.org...

Noteworthy paragraph
On May 24, 2013, The DOJ announced that the contentious online libel provisions of the law had been dropped

This is important as it was to deal with the Liable aspect of the Bill that basically meant the media could not write anything negative about the Government and it ended up with thousands of people signing a number of petitions to repeal the Bill as it was a blatant attempt to silence any opposition. It was the biggest petition in the history of the Philippines.. It was TRO'd in May 2013 due to the public pressure both from within the Philippines and abroad.

...............

What is the first step a Dictator will instigate?, it is a gun grab, here in the Philippines personal protection is encouraged. The local Police training camp near me offers firearms training with no red tape, it is very welcomed..

The 90 percent approval is very much true, you need to remember that people in the Government and right down to local Mayors here "where" corrupt as anything, the Police where laughed at as if you was arrested by a regular Police officer doing his job you just went a few pay grades above him and paid off whatever the crime was and walked free.. That has totally ended now.

A situation happened yesterday and I was caught up in the road blocks due to it in which

A suspected drug lord in Iloilo City and his wife were killed after disembarking a 2Go passenger ship in Caticlan Jetty Port and Terminal in Barangay Caticlan, Malay, Aklan on August 29.

aklanforum.blogspot.com...

From what information I can get locally is that this man was the head drug lord in his city and was know as the "Dragon" locally, it is suspected that he was going to see his attorney to try and cut a deal with the Police as Chief Bato (head of Police) had received a letter from this man a short time prior. It is looking like he was going to spill the beans on the whole drug network in the Philippines with names and locations etc. A contract had been put out on him by the criminal element that is currently in hiding but it was successful. These are not nice people, they are/where powerful and dangerous. It is this element that they are trying to get rid of.

With all this talk you have heard I bet you think that murder squads are roaming the streets and that bodies lay everywhere and the local population are scared stiff, what has been reported outside of the country is a total joke, it could not be further from the truth. And the members that have stated they will be here soon will see that and I hope they post up their experience good or bad.

It is hard for many people to imagine that this country before he was elected did not have a "911" number for Police or services, it was a matter of going to a Police station or Hospital by your own means, imagine that in a western country???...

Duterte is taking a model that whilst many will say was ruthless worked in cleaning up Davao city and made it what it is today and has turned it into a nation wide agenda..


RA

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If Drugs where made legal do you think the criminal element would just get regular jobs in McDonalds, they would move onto the next Vice that certain people want to maintain their power, then what make that legal and so it goes on???...