Conspired Plot To Have Jesus Murdered

Most of us know the story as told in the Gospels accounts. Jesus is first brought before Pilate the Governor of Judea to be put on trial. Pilate is later informed that Jesus is a Galilean and is therefore outside of his jurisdiction. Jesus is then sent to Herod Antipas the Ruler of Galilee to be questioned. As the accounts go Herod Antipas ridicules Jesus, but ultimately does not find Jesus guilty of anything.

For all intents and purposes, this is where the story should have ended. Pilate has already stated that Jesus was outside of his jurisdiction to be tried, and didn’t even find him guilty of anything. And Antipas who had jurisdiction, didn’t have any worthy accusation against Jesus either. In a normal, rational, everyday universe, Jesus should have now been released…


Now let’s just take a look at a few extra details…


Herod Antipas already had a history with “the Jesus movement” through his encounter with “John the Baptist”…

Even earlier if you include King Herod’s (not Antipas) attempts to have Jesus killed as an infant. Perhaps Antipas tried to accomplished what his Father couldn’t, but maybe that’s a bit of stretch on it’s own…but it’s certainly something extra to consider as you read through the rest of this thread…

Anyway getting back on point; it was “John the Baptists” condemnation of Herod’s affiliations with Herodias (his brothers wife) which led to Herod arresting John.

Matthew 14:3-5
3 Now Herod had arrested John and bound him and put him in prison because of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife, 4 for John had been saying to him: “It is not lawful for you to have her.” 5 Herod wanted to kill John, but he was afraid of the people, because they considered John a prophet.

I personally don’t buy the whole woman dancing around at the party story and Herod having to keep his promise etc…I think that story was most likely concocted to make the people not blame Herod too much for his actions, in other words it was concocted so that people would be slightly more sympathetic to Herod’s plight so to speak. Either way the accounts state Herod wanted to have John Killed and that’s exactly what transpired.



Moving on…

According to history Antipas and Pilate did not see eye to eye and were in fact enemies…the New Testament also bears witness to this fact.

Luke 23:11:12
Then Herod and his soldiers ridiculed and mocked him. Dressing him in an elegant robe, they sent him back to Pilate. That day Herod and Pilate became friends—before this they had been enemies

Why would two men suddenly become friends, over the trial of one innocent man (rhetorical question)…I smell a rat here, don’t you…?

But let’s just back up a bit…

Luke 23:6-7
6 On hearing this, Pilate asked if the man was a Galilean. 7 When he learned that Jesus was under Herod’s jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod, who was also in Jerusalem at that time.

Wow! Herod Antipas just so happens to be in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus trail…how coincidently convenient…


Moving on…

The Gospel of the Lord (Marcion)
And it came to pass afterward, that he made his way through city and village, preaching and announcing as good tidings the kingdom of God: and the twelve were
2. with him. And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, from 3. whom seven demons had gone out, and Joannah the wife of Chuza, Herod`s steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their possessions.

What the above account shows is that Herod was most likely aware of the growing movement that Jesus was building, especially if one of his own Stewards wives had become part of the “Jesus movement.” Herod could not have been too pleased about this state of affairs, especially with it being so close to home.


The account below suggests that Herod did have some part to play in Jesus death, although it’s not regarded as official scripture, which means some among you may reject it.

Pseudepigraphical Gospel of Peter
[1] But of the Jews none washed his hands, neither Herod nor one of his judges. And since they did not desire to wash, Pilate stood up.
[2] And then Herod the king orders the Lord to be taken away, having said to them, 'What I ordered you to do, do.'

Moving on…


There’s also the small matter of Caiaphas, the one who accused Jesus of blasphemy at his trial. Caiaphas just so happened to be an appointed high priest of (wait for it) Herod’s Temple; a position that was bestowed on him by Valerius Gratus, who was prefect/Governor of Judea, who was succeeded by, (yes you’ve guessed it) Pontius Pilate.

If your Spidey senses aren’t tingling by now, then I don’t know what will…


Summing up…

I believe Herod Antipas was the leading protagonist in Jesus death and that with the help of Caiaphas they both plotted together to have Jesus Killed, although just how much Pilate was involved is debatable. Herod Antipas had a clear motive. From Herod’s perspective Jesus was causing disorder even among his own ranks and within his very own hometown and he would have no doubt been aware of Jesus previous affiliations with John the Baptist.

From Herod’s previous experience with John the Baptist murder, he realized that being tied to a Prophets death, was not such a good idea because of a possible revolt against himself by the people. He feared the exact same thing with being tied to Jesus death, so an elaborate method to get rid of Jesus was devised that would help keep Herod’s name out of it IMO…


Thanks for reading

I look forward to your thoughts…

originally posted by: Joecroft

An interesting theory worth serious consideration.
Just one detail;

Wow! Herod Antipas just so happens to be in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus trail…how coincidently convenient…

Um, it was the Passover season, and Herod was supposed to be a Jew.

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: Joecroft

An interesting theory worth serious consideration.
Just one detail;

Wow! Herod Antipas just so happens to be in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus trail…how coincidently convenient…

Um, it was the Passover season, and Herod was supposed to be a Jew.

Antipater, the grandfather of Herod Antipas, was an Edomite by descent and converted to Judaism.

While it is likely that Herod had to attend Jewish feats and special events in an official capacity, he was NOT a Jew.

As Herod Antipas and his brothers were educated in Rome, and not the middle east, it is unlikely that he practiced the faith of his grandfather. Certainly, Pilate and the Sanhedrin considered Herod Antipas a Roman appointed ruler (chosen for the role by Augustus Caesar).

Antipas also built the city of Tiberius on a graveyard and so Jews refused to live there (it would make them ritually impure). Antipas was forced to populate the city with foreigners, slaves and those forced to move there. From this I would assume that Antipas was not serious about, or particularly well versed in, Jewish belief.

I thought the people chose barabas to be let go and jesus executed?

Because when it comes to crimes, Barabas was convicted of murder and Jesus was convicted of being ... disliked.

a reply to: chr0naut
Were the Edomites in general not conquered and forcibly converted during the Maccabean wars, making them technically of the Jewish religion? Herod was certainly Jewish enough to want to hear John the Baptist, even if he didn't want to listen.
I was not, of course, suggesting that Herod was a man who took Jewish commands very seriously. However, he might plausibly decide to make a Passover trip as part of his official observances.

originally posted by: intrptr

I thought the people chose barabas to be let go and jesus executed?

Because when it comes to crimes, Barabas was convicted of murder and Jesus was convicted of being ... disliked.

Yeah, I though the decision was left to the people, Barabas was set free.
Jesus was condemned by His own religios people not Rome, I thought that was the whole point.
Even many Christian ministers today would here Christs message, see it as a threat to their own power and have Him Quietly taken a way and disposed of to protect their own place od authority.
Christ did not threaten Rome or its control, Rome could see that, Christ threatened the religious elite, they wanted Him dead

I disagree with your basic premise,,sorry

I got a bit worried when I read the title, then I realised that it’s historical.

Then again, just because I’m paranoid it don’t mean they ain’t after me!

That is, put the books down and worry about today. It’s happening again.

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: Joecroft

An interesting theory worth serious consideration.
Just one detail;

Wow! Herod Antipas just so happens to be in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus trail…how coincidently convenient…

Um, it was the Passover season, and Herod was supposed to be a Jew.

No, the Herods were Idumean/Edomites, the Herodian dynasty was selected by Rome to rule over the Jews.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: Joecroft

An interesting theory worth serious consideration.
Just one detail;

Wow! Herod Antipas just so happens to be in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus trail…how coincidently convenient…

Um, it was the Passover season, and Herod was supposed to be a Jew.

Antipater, the grandfather of Herod Antipas, was an Edomite by descent and converted to Judaism.

While it is likely that Herod had to attend Jewish feats and special events in an official capacity, he was NOT a Jew.

As Herod Antipas and his brothers were educated in Rome, and not the middle east, it is unlikely that he practiced the faith of his grandfather. Certainly, Pilate and the Sanhedrin considered Herod Antipas a Roman appointed ruler (chosen for the role by Augustus Caesar).

Antipas also built the city of Tiberius on a graveyard and so Jews refused to live there (it would make them ritually impure). Antipas was forced to populate the city with foreigners, slaves and those forced to move there. From this I would assume that Antipas was not serious about, or particularly well versed in, Jewish belief.

It wasn't by choice, when Edom was conquered in 100 BC they were forced to convert to Judaism. It wasn't some willful journey to find the one true God.The most likely reason for Herod being in Jerusalem for the feast,.. Well, who doesn't like to party? The secularists still went down for a week of feasting and celebrations.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical
No, the Herods were Idumean/Edomites, the Herodian dynasty was selected by Rome to rule over the Jews.

I was talking about being "a Jew" in the religious sense, as the Idumaeans had become through conquest in the Maccabean wars.
As, indeed, had the Galileans. We call the Galileans Jews.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Yah nobody likes to hear the truth. They;d kill him again all over, I mean the people. The state did execute Jesus, at the peoples and the church at that times request.

a reply to: Joecroft

Herodias mom had Salome request the head of John the Baptist. He liked John but did it anyway. Later he thinks Christ is the risen John.

The Romans and the High Priest Ananias or Caiphas were the only ones who wanted Jesus AND James, the two most righteous men in the history of the world, dead.

It was the Sadducees that murdered them all.

Historically speaking the Pharisees led by Gamaliel were sympathetic to the Nazarenes as both were pacifist movements.

Gamaliel had a friendly relationship with Simon Cephas long after Jesus death. He was a friend to the movement and even interceded on behalf of Peter and his protégées in Palestine once when the Sadducees sought to harm him.

Long live the Messiah.

a reply to: chr0naut

Actually he was Syrian.

Edom wasn't a nation at that point.

Being Syrian which is Semitic and the destination for the lost tribes called lost sheep It's safe to say he was a Judean Semitic Israelite.

Asshur son of Jacob is the Patriarch of Assyria.

He was a legit Jew.

Regardless you can convert to Judaism legitimately it doesn't mean you're a fake Jew or the usual slanderous term Edomite.

Esau was Jacobs brother and a Semite who killed evil Nimrod and was swindled bthe admirably crafty Jacob.

And I am not bias, Jacob is my favorite character in the Bible story.

originally posted by: NOTurTypical

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: Joecroft

An interesting theory worth serious consideration.
Just one detail;

Wow! Herod Antipas just so happens to be in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus trail…how coincidently convenient…

Um, it was the Passover season, and Herod was supposed to be a Jew.

No, the Herods were Idumean/Edomites, the Herodian dynasty was selected by Rome to rule over the Jews.

See my last message.

originally posted by: intrptr

I thought the people chose barabas to be let go and jesus executed?

Because when it comes to crimes, Barabas was convicted of murder and Jesus was convicted of being ... disliked.

That's a very esoteric element to the myth.

Barabbas was named Jesus Barabbas or Jesus bar Abbas (son of the fathers).

If you ponder it long enough you will have an epiphany what it means. I would tell you but it would rob you of something valuable if I did.

originally posted by: enterthestage

originally posted by: intrptr

I thought the people chose barabas to be let go and jesus executed?

Because when it comes to crimes, Barabas was convicted of murder and Jesus was convicted of being ... disliked.

That's a very esoteric element to the myth.

Barabbas was named Jesus Barabbas or Jesus bar Abbas (son of the fathers).

If you ponder it long enough you will have an epiphany what it means. I would tell you but it would rob you of something value I did.

Some claim the truth is secret to cover for lies.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: enterthestage

originally posted by: intrptr

I thought the people chose barabas to be let go and jesus executed?

Because when it comes to crimes, Barabas was convicted of murder and Jesus was convicted of being ... disliked.

That's a very esoteric element to the myth.

Barabbas was named Jesus Barabbas or Jesus bar Abbas (son of the fathers).

If you ponder it long enough you will have an epiphany what it means. I would tell you but it would rob you of something value I did.

Some claim the truth is secret to cover for lies.

Care to elaborate?

The truth is usually secret, what world do you live in? A world of pure truth?

Can I get in on that?

Anyway I wasn't "claiming" anything. It's obvious as the name Jesus of Barabbas was censored for a LONG time.

Not today though.

a reply to: enterthestage

Whats obvious to me is if Jesus were here today he would be murdered by the same powers that be just like he was back then.

The people, Churchians and the State.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: enterthestage

Whats obvious to me is if Jesus were here today he would be murdered by the same powers that be just like he was back then.

The people, Churchians and the State.

That's likely to be true indeed.

They would call him beast 666, false prophet and denounce his authority as "of 'Satan.'

The "wise" Christian. 👏🔯🇮🇱

originally posted by: enterthestage

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: enterthestage

Whats obvious to me is if Jesus were here today he would be murdered by the same powers that be just like he was back then.

The people, Churchians and the State.

That's likely to be true indeed.

They would call him beast 666, false prophet and denounce his authority as "of 'Satan.'

The "wise" Christian. 👏🔯🇮🇱

Yah, people are pretty much misled away from truth, not towards it. Its not really their fault, is it? The indoctrination from youth, the 'teachings' of the state and church bend our minds to acceptance of the system, the very thing Jesus warned us about.

His parable of the devil taking him up to the mountain and telling him everything the world has to offer is yours if you just support the system.

The work ethic, the rewards, the games, the possessions, all yours. All you have to do is be worldly.

So sad. Because people are generally nice enough until you begin to threaten their beliefs, way of life, their money, their stuff.