Scientists deliver blow to Clovis myth about how people arrived in America

a reply to: Wolfenz
so if you look at this link, its a book page on google relating to some of the features you are seeing on the video, also the first paragragh relates what i think is being excavated at ravne, bosnia,"bosnian pyramid" although it could be an ancient mine, but karst scenery seen in video is the stuff stories of giants were always made of!
crazy stuff
"https://books.google.fr/books?id=HcoSDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA282&lpg=PA282&dq=limestone+pavements+in+earthquakes&source=bl&ots=B3z1IVT9Hn&sig=H8wtFlzWF5ffVMrHA gN-J3jdyHs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_zqKPw9XOAhUFOhoKHUF-DpkQ6AEIPTAF#v=onepage&q=limestone%20pavements%20in%20earthquakes&f=false"

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: Wolfenz
a reply to: Marduk

Here Watch the Still photos that is at the Area and Listen Closely
in this Video !

but you wont ! because you never do Marduk..
you may want to change a different strand ( purple Hairs are better )

not so much of rock formations ... LOL

www.youtube.com...

Way to prove you know nothing about geology at all

I always check out both sides of the story, its you who only does half the job,
you should read this, you might learn something
webecoist.momtastic.com...
and this
diply.com...
and this
www.neekly.com...
and this
www.mnn.com...-desktop
"but you wont ! because you never do "

Your credulity aside, as the only people claiming your "megaliths" are man made, are fringe idiots, you have nothing at all
and I also know at your level of credulity that you will never be able to reverse yourself and admit you got it wrong

what you have Linked me I all ready Know ! Natural rock formation that Looks Man Made

I can tell the difference...



To many symmetricly Stack Stones , just to be a Eroded Glacier Passing through .. ...



Well Zimbabwe has some Stacked stone such as these

and its all over southern west States in the US
and of course natural rock Glacial eroded formations
and just a single balanced Stone for the most part




This looks like Cut Stones from Baalbak Lebanon ..


Nothing to see here just a Natural rock formation
www.ancient-code.com...

To Bad the Ancient Lebanese .. knew about the Natural rock formations in Siberia
they could of had there Temple there ... instead of all that effort of cutting and moving ..

Siberia Russia


and has something of a Entrance passage to the other side ... Rock Formation ?



is this Natural? or Done by Man




Nothing to see Here folks just natural Rock formations
in Guatemala in a slant slope that is claimed to be some ancient Ruin



well nice natural formations at Gornaya Shoria Siberia anyways ...
with a slight touch of Man messing with them IMO

sure its about Clovis !

did some cross through Siberia to the Bering strait down to BOLIVIA ! ??

so it goes with this thread


perhaps they were playing with there stones and move them around a bit ...

LOL ...

so it not actually off topic nonsense is it!

originally posted by: Wolfenz

so it not actually off topic nonsense is it!

Clovis is a culture that originates in New Mexico
So yes, as usual, you are posting the usual nonsense because it inflates your ego to think you're posting brilliant reasoning, when in fact, you're just posting the same crap that's been floating about completely debunked for about 30 years.
But hey, go ahead, post nonsense, you and username are BFF and I wouldn't want to oppress your Bromance

originally posted by: Wolfenz
sure its about Clovis !

did some cross through Siberia to the Bering strait down to BOLIVIA ! ??

so it goes with this thread

It doesn't and no, they didn't. Clovis culture was strictly N. American and vanished as a result of the onset of the Younger Dryas. Clovis Culture never made it's way into Central let alone S. America. It's a massive stretch of the actual scientific facts to imply that because humans lived in and traversed Beringia on their way into the America's that there is an actual correlation between the people behind Clovis Culture and the people who built Tiahuanaco aside from sharing a common ancestry(both groups share variations of Y-DNA Haplogroup Q3). Though the limited genetic information for Clovis (1 infant from Montana) leaves this open ended for the moment until more corroborating data can be compiled. There is a separation of over 10KA between the end of Clovis 12.6 KA and the rise if Tiahuanaco Culture 1700 years ago.

so it not actually off topic nonsense is it!

It is completely off topic though. There's no way to honestly rationalize trying to connect 2 cultures separated by over 10KA in any way other than to give yourself a platform to pontificate some really disjointed hypotheses that betray a lack of education or training in some of the topics and fields being put forth. I'm sorry, the geology alone is just painful to read through. So much confirmation bias and then the hypocritical statements about other posters refusing to read both sides when it's pretty evident which posters are relying on just one perspective.

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: Wolfenz

so it not actually off topic nonsense is it!

Clovis is a culture that originates in New Mexico
So yes, as usual, you are posting the usual nonsense because it inflates your ego to think you're posting brilliant reasoning, when in fact, you're just posting the same crap that's been floating about completely debunked for about 30 years.
But hey, go ahead, post nonsense, you and username are BFF and I wouldn't want to oppress your Bromance

OMFG ... They Migrated from ASIA !!


Clovis People Not First Americans, Study Shows
Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
February 23, 2007
news.nationalgeographic.com...

Page 2
news.nationalgeographic.com...

www.nationalgeographic.com...


Take that Argument too National Geographic

seem like someone was already there ..



Ancient DNA Ties Native Americans From Two Continents To Clovis
3:57
February 13, 20143:03 AM ET
www.npr.org...



Hmm interesting

50,000 year old man made fires .. in south Carolina

Evidence of Manmade Fires Well Before Clovis Culture
www.newhistorian.com...

Humans roamed Americas, ate mastodon much earlier than once thought
www.ctvnews.ca...




Seeing the OP's ( Slayer ) Link is from the Christian Science Monitor
which to me wouldn't have much credibility ... as defying anything that
doesn't go with the biblical Story

are some sites says yay .. and some others say Nay
about the Clovis people crossed from Siberia ..


Underwater archaeological site recasts 'peopling of the Americas' narrative

Stone tools, mastodon bones, and dung provide 'vindication' for 30-year-old Florida underwater archaeological dig site that had presented evidence that the Americas were populated much earlier than originally thought.
By Eva Botkin-Kowacki, Staff writer May 13, 2016
www.csmonitor.com...



So Manmade fire charcoal pits 50,000 years old , hunting mastodons 14,000 years ago

Spearheads in texas 16,000 years old ...

Clovis were not the First ...

Slayers First Post are Saying Migration from the South to the North!! ...

just like what the SO called Mormons were trying to say...

that Native American Civilization came from South Up.. ??

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: Wolfenz

so it not actually off topic nonsense is it!

Clovis is a culture that originates in New Mexico
So yes, as usual, you are posting the usual nonsense because it inflates your ego to think you're posting brilliant reasoning, when in fact, you're just posting the same crap that's been floating about completely debunked for about 30 years.
But hey, go ahead, post nonsense, you and username are BFF and I wouldn't want to oppress your Bromance

OMFG ... They Migrated from ASIA !!


Clovis People Not First Americans, Study Shows
Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
February 23, 2007
news.nationalgeographic.com...

Page 2
news.nationalgeographic.com...

www.nationalgeographic.com...


Take that Argument too National Geographic

seem like someone was already there ..



Ancient DNA Ties Native Americans From Two Continents To Clovis
3:57
February 13, 20143:03 AM ET
www.npr.org...



Hmm interesting

50,000 year old man made fires .. in south Carolina

Evidence of Manmade Fires Well Before Clovis Culture
www.newhistorian.com...

Humans roamed Americas, ate mastodon much earlier than once thought
www.ctvnews.ca...




Seeing the OP's ( Slayer ) Link is from the Christian Science Monitor
which to me wouldn't have much credibility ... as defying anything that
doesn't go with the biblical Story

are some sites says yay .. and some others say Nay
about the Clovis people crossed from Siberia ..


Underwater archaeological site recasts 'peopling of the Americas' narrative

Stone tools, mastodon bones, and dung provide 'vindication' for 30-year-old Florida underwater archaeological dig site that had presented evidence that the Americas were populated much earlier than originally thought.
By Eva Botkin-Kowacki, Staff writer May 13, 2016
www.csmonitor.com...



So Manmade fire charcoal pits 50,000 years old , hunting mastodons 14,000 years ago

Spearheads in texas 16,000 years old ...

Clovis were not the First ...

Slayers First Post are Saying Migration from the South to the North!! ...

just like what the SO called Mormons were trying to say...

that Native American Civilization came from South Up.. ??

Wolfenz,

Now that last post IS what the OP is all about, lets stick with this line of thought and not get all side tracked into the irrelevant stuff that been flying about.
You are on the right track, but still have GREAT DEAL of research to do before you can really get a peek at the real big picture.

In response to your post, first

OMFG ... They Migrated from ASIA !!


Clovis People Not First Americans, Study Shows
Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
February 23, 2007
news.nationalgeographic.com...

Page 2
news.nationalgeographic.com...

www.nationalgeographic.com...


Take that Argument too National Geographic

That part is not in dispute, but the who, the timing and routes are. As I said in an earlier post, it has been known for a more than decade that the "Ice Free Corridor" could not have contributed to the earliest people in the new world, as there were already people throughout both hemispheres of the new world when the corridor did open, unless they came much, much earlier. Which they infact did, as is shown by multiple sites in both north and south america.

Hmm interesting

50,000 year old man made fires .. in south Carolina

Evidence of Manmade Fires Well Before Clovis Culture
www.newhistorian.com...

Humans roamed Americas, ate mastodon much earlier than once thought
www.ctvnews.ca...

By the time the ice free corridor opened, somebody had died in central california a thousand years earlier at a place that had been occupied for nearly forty thousand years, by that time. The same site yielded a 62k year old mammoth tooth, in its oldest level.

And as i mentioned earlier as well Albert Goodyear( he is leading the dig at Topper) is finalizing a paper on 50kya dates on charcoal and artifacts in the same layers.

Seeing the OP's ( Slayer ) Link is from the Christian Science Monitor
which to me wouldn't have much credibility ... as defying anything that
doesn't go with the biblical Story

Actually the CSM is one of the last truely impartial news organizations, other than the one religious article published in each edition, there is no theological content or editorial opinion in the paper.

are some sites says yay .. and some others say Nay
about the Clovis people crossed from Siberia ..

The notion that clovis crossed from siberia is a dead horse that is still being beaten by it's dogmatic drivers.

There is absolutely no antecedant culture in siberia that could have founded clovis, they lived in a different environment with a different lifestyle, and had a completely different toolkit.
Then there is that whole pesky ice free corridor that was closed while the clovis culture matured in the southern US and eastern seaboard. So, NO, clovis did not from or through siberia, maybe their remote ancestors, who were further removed in time from them than we are from clovis, did, but it still has nothing to do with natural granite formations in siberia.

Ancient DNA Ties Native Americans From Two Continents To Clovis
3:57
February 13, 20143:03 AM ET
www.npr.org...

One thing that has ben lost in this whole episode, is that anzick's MtDna lineage is a clade that has its origins in deep in South America, and had to have migrated to its location washington, along with the people who brought the El Jobo complex north to found the haskett, nena, sluiceay,mesa and other thick bodied points, that are a completely different tool technology from thin bodied overshot flaked clovis lithics.
Honestly I think by the time we get to Anzick, true clovis was dead and had been aborbed into the other indigenous people of the west coast, and became tribes like the yokuts and chumash of california, both of whom's earliest sites overlay a clovis site, but yet people were there before clovis shows up, half a millenia after the onset of the younger dryas.

a reply to: punkinworks10

you are getting better at this,
i dont know much about this but i will say these ancestors of ours were pretty clever.
if there was a spare continent up for grabs they will have been in the moment they could, just because you dont know if its really there is no obstacle if you have to get out of dodge. how many times they got wiped out to be repopulated is currently irrelevant.
we are truly the least useful and most tenacious of all mammals.
the cats will have their day in the sun yet.
mine lives for free, waiting only for our twolegged demise.
but i, for one will not willingly submit to our feline overlords like the egyptians.
the moment i see the beginning of thumbs!, back to throwing # in the trees
takin it back!

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: 191stMIDET
I truly believe that this is the second age of man, that hundreds of thousands of years ago (maybe longer) mankind was technologically advanced and that the first world was destroyed in either a great cataclysm or by a war.

I like your posts more and more.

There's no doubt in my mind that there was a superior race of people populating the planet ... and the 'history' books have the first 99% ripped off and lost to those ages. The evidence the OP refers to is the remnant.

That would be Virginia Steen-McIntyre...



Here are some resources to research about her.. Some in PDF ( )

Virginia Steen-McIntyre
Tephrochronologist, PhD (Specialist in volcanic ash studies)
pleistocenecoalition.com...


your are Right

it Does Seem Strange MODERN MAN ( as in what we are today )
Roaming around the Planet for 250,000 year Plus ...
with no advancement until the last 10,000 years
although there is nice Forms of Artwork that is 40,000 years Old
in the Caves of France more Less showing Extinct Meg Fauna
Hyenas and Rhinos and Cave Lions ...
The art Work are Master Pieces ..

and the Ancient Venus Religion cult around Ancient Europe ..

its controversial of the New World .. and the Developed Advancement
well.. High Advancement in certain places
and to me Similarity's of the Old and New that I SEE I.M.O. Do Collide.

TIME & Dating is the Problem ... with huge Millinum Gaps ..




with Architectural Design ..

a reply to: punkinworks10

That part is not in dispute, but the who, the timing and routes are. As I said in an earlier post, it has been known for a more than decade that the "Ice Free Corridor" could not have contributed to the earliest people in the new world, as there were already people throughout both hemispheres of the new world when the corridor did open, unless they came much, much earlier. Which they infact did, as is shown by multiple sites in both north and south america.

Well your right ... was there Other Semi Ice ages.. ??

what people refuse to think is that MODERN MAN has
Been on this Planet for over 250,00 years..

and We did not Grasp Critical thinking, Problem Solving, Idealistical Planning of Inprovments
until the Last 10,000 since we been on this planet .. ?

and 200,000 or 240,000 of no development ?
except for Simple Hunting Gathering ..

Seems Strange to me ..
seeing what we Acomplished in just 10,000 years

Quest for Fire... For Sure

By the time the ice free corridor opened, somebody had died in central california a thousand years earlier at a place that had been occupied for nearly forty thousand years, by that time. The same site yielded a 62k year old mammoth tooth, in its oldest level. And as i mentioned earlier as well Albert Goodyear( he is leading the dig at Topper) is finalizing a paper on 50kya dates on charcoal and artifacts in the same layers.

Well i would like to see when its done..

Funny on some of the Ancient Sites in South America and Mexico showing what resembles Elephants ( Mastadons or Mamoths ) in thier Art Work..
I have No Doubt Modern man has been in the New World for the Last 50,000 + years
it just how in the way they got there,


when you speak with the Christian Science monitor
im kinda Edgy when i see something with Science with the word Christain in it

The notion that clovis crossed from siberia is a dead horse that is still being beaten by it's dogmatic drivers. There is absolutely no antecedant culture in siberia that could have founded clovis, they lived in a different environment with a different lifestyle, and had a completely different toolkit. Then there is that whole pesky ice free corridor that was closed while the clovis culture matured in the southern US and eastern seaboard. So, NO, clovis did not from or through siberia, maybe their remote ancestors, who were further removed in time from them than we are from clovis, did, but it still has nothing to do with natural granite formations in siberia.

Hmm well there is Articles saying the Colvis Culture and Inuit aka Eskimo
Culture are Very Similar


And you Know that the Inuit and other Indigenous Tribes ( Yakut - Chuckchi ) Like them
were all around the Arctic Circle


just found this site not to long a go.. interesting
See this and tell me what you think with the DNA of the Clovis Boy in question and tell me what you think

DNAeXplained – Genetic Genealogy
Discovering Your Ancestors – One Gene at a Time

Clovis People Are Native Americans, and from Asia, not Europe
dna-explained.com...

Mitochondrial DNA

The mitochondrial haplogroup of the child was D4h3a, a rather rare Native American haplogroup. Today, subgroups exist, but this D4h3a sample has none of those mutations so has been placed at the base of the D4h3a tree branch, as shown below in a grapic from the paper. Therefore, D4h3a itself must be older than this skeleton, and they estimate the age of D4h3a to be 13,000 plus or minus 2,600 years, or older. Today D4h3a is found along the Pacific coast in both North and South America (Chile, Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil) and has been found in ancient populations. The highest percentage of D4h3a is found at 22% of the Cayapa population in Equador. An ancient sample has been found in British Columbia, along with current members of the Metlakatla First Nation Community near Prince Rupert, BC.

Intersting ??

More intersting

Y Chromosomal DNA

The Y chromosome was determined to be haplogroup Q-L54. Haplogroup Q and subgroup Q-L54 originated in Asia and two Q-L54 descendants predominate in the Americas: Q-M3 which has been observed exclusively in Native-Americans and Northeastern Siberians and Q-L54.

and North Eastern Siberians ... ??

And Even more Intersting ...

Surprisingly, the Anzick infant showed less shared genetic history with 7 northern Native American tribes from Canada and the Artic including 3 Northern Amerind-speaking groups. Those 7 most distant groups are: Aleutians, East Greenlanders, West Greenlanders, Chipewyan, Algonquin, Cree and Ojibwa. They were closer to 44 Native populations from Central and South America, shown on the map below by the red dots. In fact, South American populations all share a closer genetic affinity with the Anzick individual than they do with modern day North American Native American individuals.

well that what the Site Says anyhow

how much credentials it has? IDK ..

a reply to: Marduk

so what does BFF mean?, sorry to be slow but i am not a millenial.

a reply to: username74

ah, best friend, eh. insult by association.
are we down to insults now?
thats all there is left?
obviously i can see you beating your head in frustration and i must agree with your perspective for the most part, but i am sure that you wouldnt want to be judged aside from reasonable doubt.
very well, you critsise some of this speculation and rightly so,
perhaps you could be a little more selective? as pertains to my comments and that of others.
i dont really care what others write unless its a directed comment.
tell me how what i have written, offends your judgement.
although its probably a long list its not as long as some, i am sure.
what are the flaws in my reasoning? and to clarify, not my difference of opinion, my reasoning.
conflicting paradigms are impasses in reason but usually temporary.
normally a dilemna
1. A situation that requires a choice between options that are or seem equally unfavorable or unsatisfactory.
2. Usage Problem A problem that seems to defy a satisfactory solution.
3. Logic An argument that presents two alternatives, each of which has the same consequence.
so from the greek , two horns, well you do not always pick a horn and impale!,
sometimes its more reasonable to aim between the horns, or sing the bull to sleep.
what the ongoing squabbles resemble, are more like, Nietzsche’s Dionysian/Apollonian dichotomy.
so the evidence is the lynchpin, of course.
your position is not irrefutable, though in this case, is it Tiwanaku? yeah, nothing to see here, per se.
like most sites you would have to destroy it to examine it properly, outside an infinite budget anyway.
flooded for sure, but not so old and not cataclysmic.
just a high altitude hiding! no ashlar, none of that old weird stuff.
so if you are going to put me in the same bag as someone else, clarify your position.

a reply to: username74
double post or quits

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Marduk

so what does BFF mean?, sorry to be slow but i am not a millenial.

Means Best Friends Forever


how it Started ...
ohh Marduk .. lol

originally posted by: Wolfenz so it not actually off topic nonsense is it!

Marduk : Clovis is a culture that originates in New Mexico So yes, as usual, you are posting the usual nonsense because it inflates your ego to think you're posting brilliant reasoning, when in fact, you're just posting the same crap that's been floating about completely debunked for about 30 years. But hey, go ahead, post nonsense, you and username are BFF and I wouldn't want to oppress your Bromance

Let the Nonsense begin ..

Read this ... and tell me what you think about the DNA Finding of the Boy in Question on this thread
according to the Site the Boy is related more of Central America Ecuador ( Bolivia, Brazil Chile ) in South America

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Clovis People Are Native Americans, and from Asia, not Europe
dna-explained.com...

Other related Sources..

The genome of a Late Pleistocene human from a Clovis burial site in western Montana
www.nature.com...

This is the Clovis Boy Burial Site !!
NOTICE ::: Burial Mound! as in
They are all over the Place in North America down to South America





Alternatives to Clovis first
en.wikipedia.org...-first

Evidence of human habitation before Clovis

Further information: § Other sites
Archaeological sites that predate Clovis that are well documented include the following:

Pedra Furada, Piauí, Brazil (10,500-12,000 yr BP; possibly >50,000 yr BP but this is disputed)
Topper, South Carolina, US (16,000-20,000 yr BP; possibly 50,000 yr BP but this is disputed)
Meadowcroft Rockshelter, Pennsylvania, US (16,000 yr BP)
Buttermilk Creek Complex, Salado, Texas, US (15,500 14C yr BP)
Cactus Hill, Virginia, US (15,070 14C yr BP)
Monte Verde, Chile (14,800 14C yr BP)[59]
Saltville (archaeological site), Virginia, US (14,510 14C yr BP)
Taima-Taima, Venezuela (14,000 yr BP)
Connley Caves, Oregon, US (13,000 yr BP)
Page-Ladson prehistory site, Florida, US (12,425 ± 32 14C yr BP [15,405–14,146 cal yr BP])
Lapa do Boquete, Brazil (12,070 ±170 14C yr BP)
Paisley Caves, Oregon, US (14,300 cal yr BP)
Tanana Valley, Alaska, US (13,000–14,000 cal yr BP)
Nenana Valley, Alaska, US (12,000 yr BP)[68]
El Abra/Tibitó, Colombia (11,740 ±110 14C yr BP)
Tagua-Tagua, Chile (11,380 ±380 14C yr BP)[69]

but this boy was found in Montana near a burial Mound ..
and it Claimed to be a Clovis Site of Findings of Materials
and to be the carbon Dating 12,707-12,556 years old

So ... Conclusion ?

Why would a Boy that has Genetic Traits that is closer to Central and South American Natives
and Have NE Siberian Traits ( as the site claims ) in one of the genetic Groups the boy has in the
Y Chromosomal DNA

In the BOYS ...
Mitochondrial DNA
The mitochondrial haplogroup of the child was D4h3a, a rather rare Native American haplogroup.


This is the BIG Kicker!!

Today D4h3a is found along the Pacific coast in both North and South America (Chile, Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil) and has been found in ancient populations. The highest percentage of D4h3a is found at 22% of the Cayapa population in Equador. An ancient sample has been found in British Columbia, along with current members of the Metlakatla First Nation Community near Prince Rupert, BC.

dna-explained.com...

Highest percentage in Equador .. let a lone the D4h3a Is mostly known from the Pacific and Brazil Peru ( BOLIVIA )

and we all know what Equador has for Ruin.. and Bolivia ...

and British Columbia and Near Price Rupert ??

Whoa ...

if thats the Case...

the Boy Ancestors must of crossed at a much later date
or the Boy must of crossed the Bering Strait in some way

Prince Rupert to Wisall Montana were the Boy was found
www.google.com...@50.5340789,-124.9752918,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x53450814e1deec43 :0x6732d49371adb6f9!2m2!1d-110.660209!2d45.9938227!1m5!1m1!1s0x5472d5136b7f4569:0x7107e30f4dd95612!2m2!1d-130.3208187!2d54.3150367

a reply to: Wolfenz

yeah, trouble is i know next to nothing of n. americas prehistory, except for physical features, which leaves me out, i only chime in when it touches my inquiries

From Nature.com
www.nature.com...

LINKS : To Research about the Clovis Boy found in Wilsall Montana near a Burial Mound

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Wolfenz

yeah, trouble is i know next to nothing of n. americas prehistory, except for physical features, which leaves me out, i only chime in when it touches my inquiries

I Know a few but Not all ..

but, I tend to know more of My Kind
( Iroquois ( Mohawk ) and Northern Cree History ,

The Mohawks claim they always been there ...
but for how Long ? is the Question ..

My Belife there was a Arctic Circle Connection ..

The Evidence of that is The Sami ( Laplanders )
have a Similar way of Life as the Mohawks and Mostly of the Cree

Yet both totally different races yet similar culture ..

There could of been warm Spots in the ICE Ages IDK.. good Guess ..
The Question How Long has the SAMI's The Inuits, the CREE's Mohawks, Been around ?


Interesting ..

U.S. Army determines Kennewick Man is Native American
Kennewick Man one of oldest and most complete set of bones ever found in North America Apr 28, 2016 4:37 PM ET
www.cbc.ca...

Ends lengthy battle The 8,500-year-old remains were discovered in 1996 in southeastern Washington near the Columbia River in Kennewick, triggering a lengthy legal fight between tribes and scientists over whether the bones should be buried immediately or studied. The bones will remain at the Burke Museum in Seattle until the corps determines which tribe or tribes will receive them. The next step is for interested tribes to submit a claim to acquire the skeleton for burial, said Michael Coffey, a spokeswoman for the corps in Portland, Oregon. Determining which tribe receives the bones is likely to be a lengthy process, Coffey said. In the past, the Colville, Yakama, Umatilla, Nez Perce and Wanapum Indians have claimed a connection to them. "We still have a lot of work to do," Coffey said.

a reply to: Marduk

I've been watching this thread and felt inclined to throw this in after seeing this post. Regarding the tidal wave at 13,000 ft thing: maybe it wasn't at 13,000 ft. Lake Titicaca has the only known freshwater seahorses in the world. Geological upheavals? Just a thought.