Scientists deliver blow to Clovis myth about how people arrived in America

a reply to: Wolfenz

right that picture of the h blocks,
is that how its made or how they think the bits lying about go together?
i mean are they saying the h blocks are composite bits to form the block we see?

originally posted by: username74
a reply to: Wolfenz

right that picture of the h blocks,
is that how its made or how they think the bits lying about go together?
i mean are they saying the h blocks are composite bits to form the block we see?

I think your Getting Confused ...

The First Row top down a are part of the Structure
the last bottom 2 are what may be .. put together from other Pieces

The Top Row as Im Asuming is another Gateway like the Famed The Gate way of the Sun
( Assuming ) sorry I Dont read German as there are Gate ways ( entrances ) laying on the ground some broken up

like this one
thumbs.dreamstime.com...

the rest for the Most part is The H Blocks

There are 4 different types of H Blocks ...


Now this Huge Stone shows some complex work
he still sunken in deeply partial Buried slanted ! like it was in Silt !

yet remember ....

that at One time ... This Monolith like complexed Stone was completely
Buried and Dirt removed after the excavation. in the early 20th century
and does not fit in the surrounding areas at all from what i see
the small brick walls was completely Buried too ..
and if you can see in the Background.. there is another Huge monolith stone completely buried except for the
end that is exposed

Here is that Pic of that !


Click on thumb to blow it up more


how long does it take to be completely buried
Naturally ? or was it intentionally buried ?

or some Natural disastrous event buried them ..
look as if a Tornado , god forbid a Tital Wave..
caused it ? but that would be impossible right ??
seeing its over 12,000 feet above Sea Level ...

" as I read that the Whole Site of Puma Punk was Mostly Buried ...

just as gobekli tepe as completely Buried and most think it was deliberately for some reason
yet its claim to be 11,000 years old ... but his has Stone work Design like it was done at the same time as
Sumerian and Peruvian Work that was 2,000 to 4,000 years ago not 11,000 years ago ! //

anyone care to explain this ??


as I said before the Only thing interrupting is TIME!! the 1,000 of years GAP!

originally posted by: Wolfenz
[anyone care to explain this ??

Well sure, as soon as you can tell me why the adobe clay walls in the background are less than half their original height and why the silt is the exact same colour

clueless

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: Wolfenz
[anyone care to explain this ??

Well sure, as soon as you can tell me why the adobe clay walls in the background are less than half their original height and why the silt is the exact same colour

clueless

you tell me your the expert!
assuming you already know !

go on tell me...

Explain it to me ..


I did not say it was Silt ...

i said like silt !

like it was Earth moved by some force..

Well according to Justin Jennings in his book

Globalizations and the Ancient World



One of the Most Environment unstable Regions in the World
Peru the Andes.. Earthquakes, Landslides, and more Rarely Tidal waves
Globalizations and the Ancient World


AWARD WINNER AUTHOR: Justin Jennings, Royal Ontario MuseumDATE PUBLISHED: April 2014AVAILABILITY: In stock FORMAT: PaperbackISBN: 9781107652453
www.cambridge.org...

just maybe something happed 2,000 years ago Marduk

dont need to try to slam me ,

just tell me , if you know

Clueless .. and I Suppose you know , Then Tell ATS ,

why hold back ...

half the walls are missing
the silt is adobe coloured
this isn't rocket science

Adobe is a light reddish brown colour, same as the walls and the floor in your picture
Silt is dark brown
The surrounding walls at puma punku were made of Adobe, those walls have vanished




The graph at the top is Tiahuanaco rainfall, compare to the chart on the bottom which is my very wet town in Southern England
Tiahuanaco gets a lot of rainfall doesn't it

What does a lot of rainfall do to dry adobe clay brick
Where have half the walls gone, where did the silt come from
same question...



Also, I don't know why you keep bringing up Peru, Tiahuanaco is in Bolivia..

originally posted by: Marduk
half the walls are missing
the silt is adobe coloured
this isn't rocket science

The graph at the top is Tiahuanaco rainfall, compare to the chart on the bottom which is my very wet town in Southern England
Tiahuanaco gets a lot of rainfall doesn't it

What does a lot of rainfall do to dry adobe brick
Where have half the walls gone, where did the silt come from
same question...

Also, I don't know why you keep bringing up Peru, Tiahuanaco is in Bolivia..

Yeah I Knew the Walls are Missing ... and why or how ...

Could be ???

from 1877 to 1903 to 1908 and on and on excavations getting down to the sunken subfloor ( platform )
who knows ... but from Rain Rain Rain ... from a High Altitude and very cold .. and Wet..
and there is Seasons in the Area

there should be Pockets of water every were... in part of the Season but i havent tho
except a few 1903 pics during the excavation

but I do get you marduk ..

but it not like its a Monsoon like in South East Asia..
yet the Ruins in Cambodia , Laos , Vietnam , Thailand etc.. are not as Buried like Tiwanaku ..

but for thousand of years IDK ...

yet those Regions in south East Asia are supposedly around the same time frame like you said around 2,000

have i thought about that yes it did ,

Tiwananku and Puma Punk is in Bolivia

you right ... but as Most see it as in Peru
and more related on the side of Peru of Ancient Ruins ..
then in Bolivia , Originally Bolivia was called upper Peru..
till Bolivia got its independence Name after a leader from the Spanish independence Wars
Simón Bolívar,

before that it was UPPER PERU

Upper Peru
en.wikipedia.org...

So I will correct myself from now On ..

a reply to: Wolfenz

nice pictures.
i doubt anythings where it started.
it looks cataclysmic but this stuff comes across like a bar brawl, in that the damage looks exaggerated in proprtion to what happened.
some points to note; first photo. the sockets in the side of the gate. well that would indicate some kind of modular intention. no sockets in the other blocks. the place has been used as a giant lego set for hundreds of years. recent seismic damage. lots of material taken or still buried.
photo 2; see the foundation under the steps. someone has rebuilt them there recently. just back filled washout underneath.
the big stone has sunk into the ground as a result of centuries of rainstorm. once its there it makes a depression and the water drags out sediment, burying it and airborne dirt fills it in.
maybe the paving was laid after this even but its hard to say, the paving stones would be good in any local hovel, and they are easy to carry. theres also a block still in the back wall certainly predating the adjacent adobe retaining wall.

if i had to take a guess, i would say it was flooded out with waist high flooding of slurry, thats just enough to knock all the gates down without pulverising them. the liquid forces gates because it can pass initially, usually breaking one leg and toppling it. maybe the flood had some tectonic causes, that would help.maybe that stuff burying it is old adobe, was it roofed at some point. its all local material. thing is at that alt it just gets wet and dry by turn and temperature just turns that terra roxa int powder. super dry except in rain or snow the dust, it gets everywhere.
say this because there seem to be different areas, ie the h block area, all flat, looks windblasted,
and other areas that appear to have been silted due to gradient.
i suppose you could imagine the big square stonework, being there first and the rest going on around.
looks like it was trashed after it was deserted as well.
just some midlevel flashfloods, tectonics, rock appropriation and rebuilding.
in fact ,i will refrain from going further because i dont really have an overview of this place, but i would say its really trashed. i reckon its mostly buried too but by flood so no clues digging it up also, it scattered far from original sitings.
no dry ashlar i can see which may or may not be pertinent.
thanks for the piccies

a reply to: Marduk

well not to split hairs, i would call particles fine enough to be in suspension of water and the solution left to evaporate. the remainder being silt en route to powder, no?
thats a physical descriptor for me but maybe there is a refinement within archeaology?

What does a lot of rainfall do to dry adobe clay brick
Where have half the walls gone, where did the silt come from
same question...
and thats a little circular to be fair because it could be argued that the silt has to be there to build the adobe blocks in the first place!

a reply to: username74

hmmm, maybe your silt requires a mainly organic component to be silt?

Hi Slayer,

I figure I mentioned this Out ...

The Megalithic Stones of Mount Shoria in southern Siberia

Claiming to be at least 7,000 years Old

seeing a Closer Similarity in Peru and ( BOLIVIA )
kinda like the Baalbeck Lebanon Monolith's

Its questionable whether or not they are Natural or Not

This Website Blog is from a Author & Ancient Researcher John Jensen

SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 22, 2014 Super Megaliths My online free web book: "Earth Epochs" here: www.smashwords.com... I subscribe to a couple of Russian Blogs and Websites that post various data and information without the typical hype and filters of Western Science, Academia and the Press, let alone the fringe and "Alien" woo-woo crowd interests. The following are photos of some Super Megaliths from Southern Siberia near the mountains of Gornaya Shoria. The photos are from the website of Valery Uvarov. The super megaliths were found and photographed for the first time by Georgy Sidorov on a recent expedition to the Southern Siberian mountains. The following images are from Valery Uvarov's Russian website. There are no measurements given, but from the scale depicted by the human figures, these megaliths are much larger (as much as 2 to 3 times larger) than the largest known megaliths in the world. (Example: The Pregnant Woman Stone of Baalbek, Lebanon weighs in at approximately 1,260 ton). Some of these megaliths could easily weigh upwards of 3,000 to 4,000 tons. There is little commentary on Valery's site, so the image are displayed here without much comments, other than my own limited observations.

These megaliths reach well back into the mists of pre-history, so far in fact, that conjecture about their 'builders', methods, purpose and meaning is pure speculation, and as such, I would hesitate to offer any observation at all, other than to say our pre-historical past is richer than we ever dreamed.

John Jensen

earthepochs.blogspot.com...




( Warning Conspiracy Site )
Newly Found Megalithic Ruins In Russia Contain The Largest Blocks Of Stone Ever Discovered
thetruthwins.com...




Interview with Mr. John Jensen, about the discovery of the Siberian megaliths at Gornaya Shoria
www.academia.edu...

Well this is Interesting if its True ..

Ancient Canal Builders
www.youtube.com...


but this is coming from a Arm Chair Amature Like Us

and wrote a couple of books ...


its something to think about ...
if they are Ancient canals in America and The Megalithic Stones in Siberia Russia
( claimed to be over 7,000 years old ) as some assume

en.wikipedia.org...

for those playing catch-up, like Wolfenz

Seeing its been Rumored of Having Elongated Skulls in OMSK Siberia Russia ..

and ALSO ... South America Actually HAS .. Elongated Skulls in Peru and Boliva

and Monolithic Stones

a Connection ?? a Cult a Culture,


As this Thread is about when MAN Crossed over to the New World ...

and Elongated skulls in both places, has the same Distinct type of Shape ...

and According to Brien Forester of One of the Two Skulls Examined and searched to find the origin
of the DNA of One of the Elongated Skulls .. Turns Out to have some Russian Genes traces of Origin of Sibera

the Other Skull had some Turkish Genes traces ..


not sure what percentage .. Ill have the Ask Brien for that...

but I do remember that the majority of the DNA is from the Area

So a Peruvian with some distant Eurasian Genes ..

originally posted by: Marduk
en.wikipedia.org...

for those playing catch-up, like Wolfenz

LOL yeah ...

you cant always believe Wiki Marduk look below in the notes from Wiki ...



Here some some Natural Rock Formations in Gornaya Shoria

that they left Out ...




some are claimed to be magnetic
just like some in Bolivia

most of the photos were taken by Georgy Sidorov
( site has some more photos around the site some Stone that was Pre Cut ?
Some Drilled Holes ? among the other strange

Ancient megalithic Site Siberia
www.soul-guidance.com...

www.youtube.com...

Gornaya Shoriya, Georgy Sidorov interview - Горная Шория, Георгий Сидоров интервью


Gornaya Shoriya, Georgy Sidorov interview 2 - Горная Шория, Георгий Сидоров интервью 2


Very interesting for what he has to say ...

originally posted by: Wolfenz

originally posted by: Marduk
en.wikipedia.org...

for those playing catch-up, like Wolfenz

LOL yeah ...

you cant always believe Wiki Marduk look below in the notes from Wiki ...

Ah there you go again, you can't always believe wiki unless you are using it.
Fringe double standard
You can always trust wiki, because unlike you wiki always links to its sources
in this case those would be
"Jointing." In S.A. Goudie, ed., pp. 579-580, Encyclopedia of Geomorphology
Davis, G.H., S.J. Reynolds, and C. Kluth (2012) Structural Geology of Rocks and Regions
van der Pluijm, B.A. , and S. Marshak (2004) Earth structure : an introduction to structural geology and tectonics, 2nd
Nicholson, D.T. (2004) "Speroidal weathering."
Migon, P. (2006) Granite Landscapes of the World. Oxford University Press
Twidale, C. R., and J. R.Vidal Romaní (2005) Landforms and Geology of Granite Terrains

The only one that even halfway meets your purpose is the Epoch times article, which starts off by listing a bunch of notorious pseudo historians and then states

Epoch Times has not yet been able to independently verify these reports

Yet out of all those other academic sources, which state its natural, that's the one you are going with
lol.

a reply to: Marduk

Here Watch the Still photos that is at the Area and Listen Closely
in this Video !

but you wont ! because you never do Marduk..
you may want to change a different strand ( purple Hairs are better )

not so much of rock formations ... LOL

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Marduk

Gornaya Shoria megaliths From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Unbalanced scales.svg


The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until conditions to do so are met. (November 2014) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

en.wikipedia.org...


Yeah Double Standards


and we have this ..

Talk:Gornaya Shoria megaliths
en.wikipedia.org...:Gornaya_Shoria_megaliths#.23

I felt like this in itself constituted debunking as the reader is given very little information on one viewpoint while information on the other viewpoint was abundant, which in my opinion would likely lead the reader to make the conclusion that the blocks were in fact natural formation. All I'm asking for is some equal representation of two viewpoints which at this time are both unproven. Levontaun (talk) 11:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC) POV Tag

originally posted by: Wolfenz
a reply to: Marduk

Here Watch the Still photos that is at the Area and Listen Closely
in this Video !

but you wont ! because you never do Marduk..
you may want to change a different strand ( purple Hairs are better )

not so much of rock formations ... LOL

www.youtube.com...

Way to prove you know nothing about geology at all

I always check out both sides of the story, its you who only does half the job,
you should read this, you might learn something
webecoist.momtastic.com...
and this
diply.com...
and this
www.neekly.com...
and this
www.mnn.com...-desktop
"but you wont ! because you never do "

Your credulity aside, as the only people claiming your "megaliths" are man made, are fringe idiots, you have nothing at all
and I also know at your level of credulity that you will never be able to reverse yourself and admit you got it wrong

originally posted by: Wolfenz
a reply to: Marduk

Gornaya Shoria megaliths From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Unbalanced scales.svg


The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until conditions to do so are met. (November 2014) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

en.wikipedia.org...


Yeah Double Standards


and we have this ..

Talk:Gornaya Shoria megaliths
en.wikipedia.org...:Gornaya_Shoria_megaliths#.23

I felt like this in itself constituted debunking as the reader is given very little information on one viewpoint while information on the other viewpoint was abundant, which in my opinion would likely lead the reader to make the conclusion that the blocks were in fact natural formation. All I'm asking for is some equal representation of two viewpoints which at this time are both unproven. Levontaun (talk) 11:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC) POV Tag

wow idiocy abounds, the argument is that the article isn't neutral because it mentions unqualified fring comments
or didn't you even bother to read the argument made

The fact of the matter, looking at the sources, including a number of articles that my native Russian wife translated for me into English, is that there is a complete absence of any identifiable solid scientific study to make any credible, reliable case that these features are manmade and that the stone blocks are indeed real megaliths. What we found are references made to anonymous geologists and archaeologists in articles either written by or citing people who lack any documented expertise in either geology or archaeology and have elsewhere made various other pseudoscientific fringe claims. Pointing out the truth that the claims are made by sources, which are regarded by Wikipedia standards to be unreliable fringe sources that lack any serious credibility is not debunking as is incorrectly claimed above. Neither, it is pointing out a viable alternate explanation for the origin of these stones also debunking as is incorrectly claimed. Nowhere did I state categorically that these stone blocks are natural. I only explained truthfully how stone blocks comparable in size and shape to the alleged megaliths might have formed as an elaboration upon and clarification of what was reported in a couple of the Russian articles as how they might have originated by intense weathering. Simply providing the opposing point of view does not violate a neutral point of view. Neither can it be considered debunking

how many times have you been wrong in this thread now, don't you get bored of being the poor cousin all the time

a reply to: Wolfenz

sorry buddy, most of those are natural, i can see on a first pass.
there are a few manmade or at least questionable.
i will rewatch and put up the times.

a reply to: username74

at 3.30 ish is interesting and so is the only one indicated post edit a little way in. the rest is mostly karst scenery and shear faults. limestones limestone.
i think iam beginning to see where they came up with the dry ashlar stle though!