A Gipsy secret

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I'm gonna read it as that you call him a liar, since it's the only way I can read it as..

What Are Tarots? And How Are They Relevant?

a reply to: Pinocchio

Fortune teller Sometime have tarot cards.. My grandma a gipsy used to fortune tell, the cards are traced back to ancient Egypt by some occult writers.. But it's just a legend..

a reply to: angeldollm

Hey, angeldoll! There are, in fact, many Gypsies in the US (from Roma to Irish Traveller to Romanichal, which is somewhat of a mixture between the former two). My mother has both Roma and Irish Traveller heritage (mostly Irish Traveller) and she comes from the Aiken/Augusta South Carolina/Georgia border area called Murphy Village, which is the largest Irish Traveller settlement in North America. Most Roma are found in larger cities. The behaviors and perceptions of Gypsies (of all kinds) in North America is VASTLY different from that of the behaviors and perceptions of Gypsies in Europe. I could go much further but I figured I'd just point out that yes, there are Gypsies in America.

a reply to: jcutler12888

Sry, for OT the thread, im doing a bit of research about last names.. Would you possibly share those with me in a PM?

a reply to: tikbalang

You mean the most common surnames of Roma, Romanichal, or Irish Travellers? Or all three? I know a bit about the Roma and Romanichal but I know more about Irish Travellers than Roma and Romanichal. Interestingly, in Murphy Village, there are only a handful of last names that are really common: Carroll, Costello, Gorman, O'Hara, Sherlock, and a few others. And many of them have the same first names...lots of Mary-whatevers, like Mary-Catherine and Mary-Elizabeth and whatnot, so a lot of people have the same first and last names (like three Mary-Catherine O'Haras on the same street).

The Tarot was actually developed by Jews to symbolically preserve the Torah if it ever got lost or they got deplaced a trained Rabbi could decipher the cards.

Thats why they originally had only 22 and why it sounds like Torah. Just a slight adjustment in pronunciation and spelling.

Aleister Crowley is who claimed to have discovered that it was the long lost book of Thoth, although I highly doubt it as it was developed by Jews not Gypsies who were from Egypt, E Gyp sy, Gypsy comes from the word Egypt and they just used the Tarot to take people's money.

a reply to: LucianusXVII
That's not how gypsy developed from Egypt, but you're correct that the etymological root of gypsy is Egypt.

Gypsy (n.): also gipsy, c. 1600, alteration of gypcian, a worn-down Middle English dialectal form of egypcien "Egyptian," from the supposed origin of the people. As an adjective, from 1620s. Compare British gippy (1889) a modern shortened colloquial form of Egyptian.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: LucianusXVII
That's not how gypsy developed from Egypt, but you're correct that the etymological root of gypsy is Egypt.

Gypsy (n.): also gipsy, c. 1600, alteration of gypcian, a worn-down Middle English dialectal form of egypcien "Egyptian," from the supposed origin of the people. As an adjective, from 1620s. Compare British gippy (1889) a modern shortened colloquial form of Egyptian.

nvm

a reply to: LucianusXVII

I would love to hear you elaborate on your findings =)

I know what A. Crowley did and found, but i would like to hear you story =)

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: LucianusXVII

I would love to hear you elaborate on your findings =)

I know what A. Crowley did and found, but i would like to hear you story =)

I would love to elaborate, unfortunately I have shared all I know. if you would be so kind as to narrow it down to specific questions, I would be more than happy to answer what I can and research the answers I don't have.

originally posted by: KSigMason
a reply to: LucianusXVII
That's not how gypsy developed from Egypt, but you're correct that the etymological root of gypsy is Egypt.

Gypsy (n.): also gipsy, c. 1600, alteration of gypcian, a worn-down Middle English dialectal form of egypcien "Egyptian," from the supposed origin of the people. As an adjective, from 1620s. Compare British gippy (1889) a modern shortened colloquial form of Egyptian.

So did they not hail originally from Egypt?

I really don't know the origins of the Romany peoples although I would venture to say Romania.

I just thought they were dispersed Egyptians who ended up in Europe, similar to the dispersed Jews.

Something tells me that the Romany are more related to the Jews than can be historically proven, just a theory.

originally posted by: jcutler12888
a reply to: angeldollm

Hey, angeldoll! There are, in fact, many Gypsies in the US (from Roma to Irish Traveller to Romanichal, which is somewhat of a mixture between the former two). My mother has both Roma and Irish Traveller heritage (mostly Irish Traveller) and she comes from the Aiken/Augusta South Carolina/Georgia border area called Murphy Village, which is the largest Irish Traveller settlement in North America. Most Roma are found in larger cities. The behaviors and perceptions of Gypsies (of all kinds) in North America is VASTLY different from that of the behaviors and perceptions of Gypsies in Europe. I could go much further but I figured I'd just point out that yes, there are Gypsies in America.

Yes there are and many are surnamed Miller or Smith.

I have a ton in my area and they mostly do seal coating or paving while the women tell fortunes.

Of course many have assimilated but there are also communities of Romany (I hope I am spelling that right) who desire to live among their own and do.

they didnt come from Egypt nor Romania =)

Its a MYSTERY!!!