Moral and Ethical Question for all

*Theoretical Hypothetical exercise....

Assuming....


Assuming, we don't do ourselves in with all that's presently going on in the world.


One day, we find a habitable planet, Yes, there is life there, Yes, It meets all our 'Human' sustenance requirements. Water, Air, Temperature, Gravity, Dry land mass, friendly atmospheric weather conditions, Yadda, Yadda, Blah Blah Blah etc...

What would be our Moral and Ethical right to consume lower forms of life for our very Human 'Protein' necessity?

Animal right advocates, your input is on deck.

Hunters (myself among them) need to be very clear about our stance.

*This question came about during my review of some information regarding 'Alien Autopsy' findings. In that, The information supposedly found that they, the 'Greys' absorbed what they needed nutritionally through their skin, [Similar to mushrooms] and much unlike mushrooms, We, The human race are not there biologically yet, if we ever will be at all. But could through genetic modifications, someday we may be so.

In the meantime, to be optimally healthy, We genetically need animal fats and protein and the clearest course of action is consuming 'Lower life forms'


Would we, as a specie, have the right during colonization, have a right, to consume animal lifeforms on our New home world?

Biblical speaking, and for argument sake, For you religious folk, We do here on Earth but how about elsewhere?

I would surmise that we eat what appears to be lower than our intelligence that we can easily capture and consume-just like we do here on earth. Perhaps by the time we are able to reach other planets where we can survive we will have evolved past eating other live beings just for our own sustenance. I hope so anyways.

I think humans will evolve someday and not eat slaughters animals anymore..
There will still be protein in the form of something made in a lab that looks and taste the same, you wont know it if not knowing you where eating artificial meat...

Or we would discover with future science make us not want to eat meat at all.
Or learn animals dont appreciate getting eaten and live their whole life in a small box only to get slaughtered

a reply to: SLAYER69

No, absolutely not.

Unless you want them to have the moral and legal right to consume us. Equal opportunity munching.

And that said, we'll never have 'peace on earth' until we get over the extreme arrogance and violence inherent in the stance of 'I'm bigger and more powerful than you, so I can eat you' times billions of lives a day.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Question:

Do the life forms on our new planetary home consume each other? Is there a food chain already in place?

originally posted by: Spacespider
I think humans will evolve someday and not eat slaughters animals anymore..
There will still be protein in the form of something made in a lab that looks and taste the same, you wont know it if not knowing you where eating artificial meat...

Or we would discover with future science make us not want to eat meat at all.
Or learn animals dont appreciate getting eaten and live their whole life in a small box only to get slaughtered

It's not future science, it's here now:

www.vox.com...

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: SLAYER69

Question:

Do the life forms on our new planetary home consume each other? Is there a food chain already in place?

Let's assume there is.

Is it ok to insert ourselves into it?

a reply to: SLAYER69

I was going to respond with, if it tastes good, eat it.

But maybe not. Most people would find eating a dog, or dolphin, etc, abhorrent. So I guess it would depend on a few factors like intelligence level, overall usefulness, population level.

I think it would work itself out.

Hmm, my personal stance for myself is I would not eat another life form from another planet unless I was starving, nutritionally and protein deficient and all the animals we consume on earth were gone.

My reasoning for that is, we could become an "invasive" species and seriously screw up an ecosystem that presumably we would know little about.

Of course, being the selfish meat eater that I am, I would put myself first if it came down to it. Call it what you will, I call it the demand to survive.

-Alee

Better hope Monsanto™ et al aren't in that first "Exploratory Group" or else it'll be "curtains" it would be like how they've ruined Mother Earth but at a quicker pace.. Hopefully We won't 'need' our Body; no body = no food to power it..

See You there.. Stay Hydrated Here in the mean time (non fluoridated 'tap water'...)

namaste

a reply to: SLAYER69


If you project the human intellect out to its potential and add that to that conclusion that ETs will certainly have extended the range of intellectual thought far beyond that, then it should be acceptable to consider that the taking of the life of any high order life form is repugnant and is to be avoided if not outlawed. So your proposed dilemma is moot and such travelers and colonist should pack their lunch from home or use a Star Treky food amalgamator.

a reply to: SLAYER69

Let's assume there is. Is it ok to insert ourselves into it?

Sure. But, I would hope that we would have learned quite a bit from our experience with environmental disasters and animal cruelty conditions, as well as the importance of our relationships with animals' love, devotion and cooperation, here on earth, and would have advanced our food procuring skills to reflect a more compassionate and eco friendly system.

a reply to: SLAYER69

I would hope that before we started killing and consuming the inhabitants of this hypothetical planet, we would have thoroughly ruled out any possibility of sentience beforehand. If the planet had vegetation aplenty, it would seem logical that while the wildlife was being assessed for consumption, we would be able to survive without meat just fine for the duration.

If this planet has compatible atmospheric and other conditions consistent with Earth, surely there would be comparable abundance of plant nutrients as well. It is not necessary to consume animal protein to thrive; we already know this to be true. So my opinion is that it would be best to simply order the salad course until we're sure that the meat is actually just meat.

Unless the plant life is sentient too, a la Little Shop of Horrors...we could inadvertently wind up as the food source rather than the other way around. Gardening gone horribly wrong...what a plot twist that would be, yeah?

a reply to: SLAYER69

The more scientific way to approach a question like that would be to first observe all of the various lifeforms to determine breeding habits/frequency, gestation periods, migration, populace, biological make-up, DNA analysis, nutrients, etc etc.

Once we had all that then we could make a more informed decision as to whether or not to hunt/eat and how much over a time period would be realistic without killing off an entire species.

a reply to: windword

I agree. If we inserted ourselves, not as the rulers of this new planet, but as part of an existing system, and used logic, respect and ethical behaviors, I don't see an issue. But, after what we've done to this planet, I have very little hope that we would treat our new home or the beings there, with any kind of respect.

Very good question, Slayer.

originally posted by: SLAYER69
What would be our Moral and Ethical right to consume lower forms of life for our very Human 'Protein' necessity?

Survival and reproduction are our only goals as living creatures. Is it more noble of us to simply die rather than use an available resource? The ball is only in play when we're alive. Someday there will be too many people on Earth and we'll have to eat each other. Same thing.

By the time we get there we would have invented food replicators as shown in Star Trek Generation.

So no animals would have to be consumed for nourishment.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

Do we as a specie have the right to consume animal lifeforms on our New home?

Biblical speaking, and for argument sake, For you religious folk, We do here on Terra Firma but elsewhere?

Very important topic of discussion SLAYER69
Important because what if others moved to this sector of Existence and their primary food was human physical material and or metaphysical human materials from emotions to souls.
Would it be ok for them to feed on life forms they deem as lowers, to them if those life forms included humans?

Bit of Creation Karma it seems...

So to 1 its a decision of the species, that requires that species to accept the potential karma related. Especially when moving to other worlds. Considering potentials that may STILL exist there like here, archon-aggressive is-be like and their potential forms taken. And interest. For the perceived lower life forms by humanity may be assisting them somehow and now an alien interruption? Which may disrupt the entire goal to migrate there.
Maybe there exists protections here from unknowns in this region preventing certain macro CREATOR Creations from ravaging planetoids and out there no belt built yet or are not as strong. Like the Van Allen radiation belt for example. That for the most part is harmfully non effective on those "within" but "out side" naturals would possibly find extremely discomforting? There may be many unforeseens ultimately.

But if a civilization can figure out how to transport-migrate themselves after figuring out how to limit heavy materials intake animalia consumption and waste output, perhaps after designing their updated AVATAR Forms to have less need for heavy materials to survive. So maybe some genetics involved to make body absorb Star energy and other abundant energies that exist out there. Perhaps advanced nanos technologies and or implants to help cycle star energy over reasonable time. Then allowing said CREATORS Creation Energy Group to park near Stars enter some type of energize chamber that pulls energy onto ships from Star or other energy member. Outta box can feed directly from black hole static emissions...

NAMASTE*******

originally posted by: Rapha
By the time we get there we would have invented food replicators as shown in Star Trek Generation.

So no animals would have to be consumed for nourishment.

Too easy.

But ok. I, being a Trekky will give you that one but wont let you off the hook that easily.

But, Let's say, we aren't there yet?

a reply to: Justso