Deiphilosophy

originally posted by: Peeple

I see you erased the comment that bashed me as "wrong" only after I asked "About...?"

Interesting... and satisfying in that you could not answer and edited yourself so as to look less...

You know.

I'm not joking.

It's a philosophy that encourages goodness with provable measure.

It removes god as an active participant and redefines prayer to thinking of the benefit of others.

You've single handedly solved religious arguments and brought in flaming uppercuts.

Nobel Prize for sure.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

How can you expect to ask God to change his master plan without any vanity?

But even master plans need changing and adapt over time - who is this less than perfect god that you defer to?

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
I'm not joking.

It's a philosophy that encourages goodness with provable measure.

It removes god as an active participant and redefines prayer to thinking of the benefit of others.

You've single handedly solved religious arguments and brought in flaming uppercuts.

Nobel Prize for sure.

Then thanks!!! Glad I could help.

Must have misinterpreted what seemed like sarcasm but wasn't. Sorry.

It was the street fighter comment that went over my head. Thank you for clarifying, I don't want a prize the compliment will suffice.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

That's irrelevant to this topic now.
As a proud Deiphilosophian such thoughts wouldn't encourage good.

a reply to: deignostian

Yes.

You said you weren't that bright... but you are. I love you OP.

Education/receiving new information/gaining knowledge is so interesting, and painful.

Sometimes, it calls for the destruction of everything you once thought you knew. And no matter what, it will always change us. If we can receive the truth/new knowledge, it will always destroy what we once thought we knew, and change us and turn us into something new. I can make that sound like lots of religions, but I won't.

Not everyone can be educated, it's not something that you can force on people. You can tell people things, but they might reject it. To learn something new... it really requires that we be open, and moving like water... with room to morph, evolve, change, grow, and possibly say, "I thought this one thing was a fact for 20 years but I found out today that I was wrong, and now this other thing is a fact." And etc.

I'm going through it, too.

Associations, interpretations, imaginations, not knowing what is really real. But kindof sensing something. Not knowing what to do about it, either. Just learning, lol.

Welcome to ATS and I hope you will be staying for a little while longer.

a reply to: deignostian

If you want redemption you can not look back even once or you are not going to make it. Redemption gets harder every time you try.

What needs redeeming

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: deignostian

If you want redemption you can not look back even once or you are not going to make it. Redemption gets harder every time you try.

What needs redeeming

I think you mean who, as I was talking about people.

And speaking metaphorically.


What IS redemption would have been a better question. I will tell you.

Emerging from "condemnation" is redemption. How you interpret condemnation is up to you but I know many addicts who feel condemned to a life of misery.

Every relapse makes "redemption" more and more difficult.

a reply to: geezlouise

I agree 100%

Many thank yous. 😎

a reply to: deignostian

Turn those questions inward and stop projecting them outwards and that light or darkness will be what actual reflection is.

Pointing out there somewhere saying evil exists is to deny one also being cause for it... in such a way one will also defend who? Themselves from where it originated... yet it did not originate with you... you're just perpetuating it whether you realize this or not.

There's no need to self deface either in saying youre not that smart. You have a potential and you're trying to use that potential. Yet the purpose has come out swinging in form shadow boxing... that the enemy one holds is out there somewhere and not just a reflection people continually shine saying it's truth when there's no source of light in it.

Words are a reflection, concepts a reflection... so who's face or words you shine or echo, become you... if such faces and words are what you wish to reflect? Your choice... just know even though the intent is thought positive, it is not as it swings at individuals as some incoherent mass that doesn't really exist outside of idea or concept as existing.

Thats why I asked, who are these elites... it is just a homogenization of an idea. If one where to dive into the label, one will find individuals, so then if one were to dive into the individuals they will see they are no different than anyone else seeking to be happy, how someone goes about this seeking is of course going to be different as peoples tastes in food.

So of course when we've dived deep into the concept of elite we can see it doesn't really exist, it is a broad stroke of generalization to paint a huge group of people into one single entity or mass.

Doing such a thing divides, separates, ceases communication and prevents understanding. So, of course knowing this or not... when using ones purpose of being and trying to have a positive effect, the outcome can be wholly negative when it divides instead of actually joins. So why bother in such a thing? It just perpetuates the same mass of confusion, pain and spreading of suffering in the end making all action moot to making anything better.

People are people, humanity is humanity... better to look for similarities that join and bring peace and harmony than to divide by concepts that do not even exist, when looked at beyond such labels or groups, to the individuals themselves.

I hope you have a nice evening. I know your intent was positive... but without understanding how it also can be negative... then what is actually being solved?

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

I am long past the point of dealing with your negativity friend. You have no purpose other than to sow contentious seeds and arouse my ire.

According to you I am being divisive or using the word elite offensively...alway in your comments is the basic element of perceived self superiority and I have no interest in indulging your needs. Sorry.

Not... Gonna... Happen.

Sigh...

Despite how you're going about it, likely wont lead to any lasting happiness... yet, I wish happiness on you regardless.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Have a good one.

a reply to: deignostian

Thanks

The Kingdom of heaven is within.

Wisdom and knowledge must never be learned by those who are motivated by power and privilege.

The teacher has a duty to instruct in proper motivation.

Proper is "upright reasons for" yearning to become wise.

The students must diligently search for the wise teachers and councilors.

a reply to: deignostian

I erased it because there's no point.
My opinion stands. You're wrong. I explained in detail why.

a reply to: Peeple

Of course you did. lol.

You did nothing of the sort. Prove that you proved me "wrong" because I am not seeing it.

It was never a right/wrong issue. I was waxing philosophic and not teaching arithmetic. If I was wrong tell me what about and how.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: deignostian

It's a very lovely community. But since you asked for it, let's have a look at what you did, shall we?

originally posted by: deignostian
The Wise One:

Never remembers the one who 'sinned' towards them.
Covets nothing, hates no one.
Prays the needy get whats needed, without vanity.
Works beneficence for the Will of Good.
Is a serpent and a dove.
Of Good conscience.

First we have The Wise One, then remembers who sinned towards them.
That's a semantic no go.
I am sensing you are referring to an "enlightened" person, not god, but it still is a bit confusing, especially the "Will of Good", because:

*God=Good*

doesn't make any sense at all and is not true. Unless you and I have very different interpretations of what good means, but if you are talking about the biblical god, or any other god, we all know this "being" has a way of destroying societies, killed his own son etc.

We are the will of the same One Will. Good wants us to be perfect. Good wants not to be feared but wishes mankind no longer stand in need of angels, prophets, saviors and myths...but to receive good directly from Good, having become worthy. And to have protection in Wisdom.

no one ever in the entire history of humanity ever spoke directly with this "one god", it's always either angels, demons, the holy ghost, or a whole pantheon of not very "good" gods.

The sin of the civilian is the sin of the "elite." Had the elite conducted themselves as Good so prescribes, the civilian would be filled with reverence for the sinless life.

buddha was elite. Not much sin to find there. And if you will one day receive your tav it will be for your actions and yours alone. What messed up logic is that? "Joe Rich did it, so I did it too."? That won't work, you are responsible for your actions, everybody else is responsible for theirs and it is nobodys but your fault if you choose to follow bad rolemodels.

Knowing Good is nothing to Good knowing you. When work does not follow knowledge no knowledge has been learned.

With this sentence you are indeed loosing me entirely. Good work as you seem to describe it comes from love not knowledge. Unless you describe love as knowledge of the heart? But then you did a horrible job in putting that in words.

When does the shadow leave the body? When there is no light! It must be the shadow is good, a representation of Good and a sign to live in the Light so you always have Good's company.

Your soul is not the shadow. And I can die in daylight. The shadows are the ones trapped in the world between. Sheol.

All Good things must be done.

That one is correct, there is nothing good unless you do it.

Happy?

a reply to: geezlouise

Your comment put me in a good mood, I hope we get to exchange knowledge in the future.

I am not needy, but I needed the compliment and hope to return the favor sometime.

Peace and blessings ☀💜