THE TOWERS OF CONFUSION - a message for all.

This is one a few writings I have done over the years- Its a condensed version as the original is too big. The message is the same. I thought I would share it with you all and welcome any of your thoughts or comments.

A foundation has long been laid. A foundation set in rock. It was laid in the beginning of the ages and stands until today. It is strong and it is sturdy.

A foundation given to all nations, to all people. A foundation that does not differ, for it is Truth itself.

For Gods Teaching in its infancy was true and righteous. It was given to all people, a gift for all humanity. It was right and it was just.

Then thereafter man started to build. To build great towers upon the very foundations. The great foundation which Had been set down for us as a gift.

So as each generation of people passed and a new one emerged, so did the great towers grow. Each one seemingly different from the other but equally beautiful in appearance.

Thus did the towers grow on top of the strong eternal foundation. The man made towers rose high above the ground. Born from the mind, by way of speculation.

In different nations in different times the people started to build. To build upon the simple teachings, set forth for by God, for all mankind.

Is it God who has turned away from us? No it is we who have turned from Him. With our lamps empty or only half full. We are talkers and not walkers.

We are all debtor’s and our debts must be paid. Our actions are binding and if we expect release then our accounts must be settled.
For are we not told that the kingdom of Heaven is reserved for the pure of heart?

And here we are in a troubled age. From the Golden, to the silver, then to the bronze. Here we are in the last age - the lower limbs and the feet. The darkest age. .

Can you not see that the buildings of our age, are built not from Gold, but from Iron mixed with clay?

We are a corrupt generation still unable to see. Blinded by the very towers that have grown before our eyes. Blinded by a mirage of beliefs which veil the Truth.

And as sure as calamity is coming right our way. So to is darkness heading our way. Who has filled there lantern?

Who among us can see through these great towers? These towers of ever changing beliefs.

Who can see through to what is steady, ongoing and unchanging?

Who can see this simple Truth?

a reply to: TheInfiniteFantastic

Who can see through to what is steady, ongoing and unchanging?

Who can see this simple Truth?

You're not alone brother, there are many who see the Kingdom of Heaven right now, they see life for what it truly is. Most are blinded by the systems (or "towers" as you call them) of this world which are only shackles to discovering who and what we truly are. The whole is within many slices, those slices being us who make up the whole.

S&F, great thread.

I am...... without words........ splendid..

I think most here already would agree with you, but what are YOU saying the foundational message is? I have my own belief but would like to hear your thoughts.

a reply to: TheInfiniteFantastic

I enjoyed reading that but only disagree with one thing.

I actually do not owe any debt. I was born but I don't remember life until about 5 and it was good but I didn't make any deals that put me in debt, much like GOoD I just was and am.

But my having to die would cancel out any "deal" I made for life. But if you don't remember making a deal you didn't make it, something else did.

I have a personal obligation to learn as much truth and die worthy of Light.

originally posted by: Starcrossd
I think most here already would agree with you, but what are YOU saying the foundational message is? I have my own belief but would like to hear your thoughts.

Forgive me.... for my words lack the eloquence I desire.
But I will share my belief.

" Gods True Church is beyond the material concepts we give it. It is not confined to any one building. Or any one denomination. Or any one name. It is not confined to any one group of people. It is not limited to any one of the lamp stands. Gods true Church is Truth itself and its binding ingredient is unconditional love. There is no higher decree than to serve the body and the Head. To serve each other. For we are One and many. There is in truth only one true Church. A church that transcends the names we give it. The period it arrives, the form it takes and the place it dwells. Its unchanging. It is the very essence found at the foundation of all worldly religions. It is the simple teaching based on unconditional love of all life.
All things come to pass. Religions are no exception. Everything material comes and goes. But The Word which is Spirit remains the same and unchanging. For The Word is the very essence of Truth."

originally posted by: deignostian
a reply to: TheInfiniteFantastic

I enjoyed reading that but only disagree with one thing.

I actually do not owe any debt. I was born but I don't remember life until about 5 and it was good but I didn't make any deals that put me in debt, much like GOoD I just was and am.

But my having to die would cancel out any "deal" I made for life. But if you don't remember making a deal you didn't make it, something else did.

I have a personal obligation to learn as much truth and die worthy of Light.

We all have debts. We are all sinners. Knowingly or unknowingly.
Lets say you have been invited to a great wedding banquet. In-fact lets say everyone has an invitation. Most people may not be interested. But some people are interested, and are planning to go. But a small group of people would do almost anything to attend this great wedding.
But you read in the invitation that you must wear your white robes, or else you will have no place at the wedding. You will not be able to get in. It states clearly the dress code. You are told that you can only attend if you wear your white robes.
So it is not monetary debt. But our own dirty clothes that need to be washed before we can go.

originally posted by: TheInfiniteFantastic

We are a corrupt generation still unable to see. Blinded by the very towers that have grown before our eyes. Blinded by a mirage of beliefs which veil the Truth.

Hmmm, do you really mean "We" or "They".
It seems that you are quite confident that you are able to see past these towers.

What has given you these magical powers of observation?

If we have steadily corrupted our foundations through building over them how can you be confident your Truth is not corrupted also?

Trying to lump all religions into one meaning of love sounds nice. In practice it just doesn't work as many faiths directly contradict each other. The only consistency in these beliefs is that it allows people to believe they are superior over others and makes true love between all creeds impossible.

The idea of a simple truth is the problem and not the answer.

Some questions are hard and require you to read more than one book. Some questions may never be answered. And some questions are just foolish in the first place.

Anyone who claims to have a simple truth misunderstood the question.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I think that was brilliantly said by TheInfiniteFantastic, allot of our human history is full of brutality against each other, nature and spirit, if we take an honest and deep look at our world from where it grew to this, it is becoming clearer how corrupted we truly are. It is in our systems all over the world, it is in us from childhood becouse the system will teach it for us, it is in our laws that protect this system and everybody has to agree on laws so we accept these things like deep coding.

Of course some ppl have different systems around the world but generally i see it as less natural ways is great sign of corrupted systems.

originally posted by: romilo
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I think that was brilliantly said by TheInfiniteFantastic,

Really? His story claims corruption stops us from being able to see. How he has differentiated himself from all of us corrupted individuals is an important thing to know.

Which part brilliantly said by TheInfiniteFantastic answers that?

originally posted by: TheInfiniteFantastic

originally posted by: deignostian
a reply to: TheInfiniteFantastic

I enjoyed reading that but only disagree with one thing.

I actually do not owe any debt. I was born but I don't remember life until about 5 and it was good but I didn't make any deals that put me in debt, much like GOoD I just was and am.

But my having to die would cancel out any "deal" I made for life. But if you don't remember making a deal you didn't make it, something else did.

I have a personal obligation to learn as much truth and die worthy of Light.

We all have debts.

No, I can't speak for anyone else but I have no debts, sinner or not.

We are all sinners. Knowingly or unknowingly.
Lets say you have been invited to a great wedding banquet. In-fact lets say everyone has an invitation. Most people may not be interested. But some people are interested, and are planning to go. But a small group of people would do almost anything to attend this great wedding.
But you read in the invitation that you must wear your white robes, or else you will have no place at the wedding. You will not be able to get in. It states clearly the dress code. You are told that you can only attend if you wear your white robes.
So it is not monetary debt. But our own dirty clothes that need to be washed before we can go.

Debt, monetary or otherwise, is not something I possess. Sorry to disagree.

I see it as we are not just corrupted generation but long line of generations that have gone dark side so to speak, we know it, some of us, most of us, few of us but it is harder and harder to admit and look honestly but i believe our path will be corrected eventually, one way or another.

It is not all bad, i believe the light in humans have been guiding us even when we live in darkness, it is more in our minds and personalities and such that we soak from around world, from our systems that been manufactured to create our silly ways and by that they whom ever they are have more control of us than we like to believe so.

I know many ppl will fight that theory to the teeth cause it is hard to accept that we are not really free even in this "great time" when slavery is officially ended etc, means nothing actually, slavery is still all around the world very active, it is just underground and millions of ppl is been trafficked, it aint just random thugs or even very orginized crime groups but it is from very top of our leader class etc, whom keep these things alive and running.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: TheInfiniteFantastic

We are a corrupt generation still unable to see. Blinded by the very towers that have grown before our eyes. Blinded by a mirage of beliefs which veil the Truth.

Hmmm, do you really mean "We" or "They".
It seems that you are quite confident that you are able to see past these towers.

What has given you these magical powers of observation?

If we have steadily corrupted our foundations through building over them how can you be confident your Truth is not corrupted also?

Trying to lump all religions into one meaning of love sounds nice. In practice it just doesn't work as many faiths directly contradict each other. The only consistency in these beliefs is that it allows people to believe they are superior over others and makes true love between all creeds impossible.

The idea of a simple truth is the problem and not the answer.

Some questions are hard and require you to read more than one book. Some questions may never be answered. And some questions are just foolish in the first place.

Anyone who claims to have a simple truth misunderstood the question.

There is nothing magical. If its your passion. You will dedicate your life searching every nook and cranny for answers. Even to the point of asking God for the answers.
But you are wrong. The teaching and message is simple. But getting the simple message through dull minds is very difficult. The mirage of beliefs and speculation are confusing to the average person and through ignorance causes division.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: romilo
a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I think that was brilliantly said by TheInfiniteFantastic,

Really? His story claims corruption stops us from being able to see. How he has differentiated himself from all of us corrupted individuals is an important thing to know.

Which part brilliantly said by TheInfiniteFantastic answers that?

The message (The foundation) is always clear but the interpretation (what is taught today) gets diluted or misunderstood or even lost. It is very clear that the shepherds in todays age have fallen asleep.

a reply to: deignostian

Mathew 5: 24 -25

Therefore if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift. Reconcile quickly with your adversary, while you are still on the way to court. Otherwise he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison.…

Friend if your debts had been paid for you would have been released from prison.

originally posted by: TheInfiniteFantastic

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

Hmmm, do you really mean "We" or "They".
It seems that you are quite confident that you are able to see past these towers.

What has given you these magical powers of observation?

If we have steadily corrupted our foundations through building over them how can you be confident your Truth is not corrupted also?

Trying to lump all religions into one meaning of love sounds nice. In practice it just doesn't work as many faiths directly contradict each other. The only consistency in these beliefs is that it allows people to believe they are superior over others and makes true love between all creeds impossible.

The idea of a simple truth is the problem and not the answer.

Some questions are hard and require you to read more than one book. Some questions may never be answered. And some questions are just foolish in the first place.

Anyone who claims to have a simple truth misunderstood the question.

There is nothing magical. If its your passion. You will dedicate your life searching every nook and cranny for answers. Even to the point of asking God for the answers.
But you are wrong. The teaching and message is simple. But getting the simple message through dull minds is very difficult. The mirage of beliefs and speculation are confusing to the average person and through ignorance causes division.

So you did mean "They". That's fine, congratulations on being special.

However with the mirage of beliefs everywhere how can you be sure you have not been fooled.

I'm not saying you are not superior than me. Just curious how you can be sure.

You say you have difficulties explaining the simple message to dull people.
A person corrupted and deceived by the mirages of belief everywhere would have a similar experience.

originally posted by: TheInfiniteFantastic

There is nothing magical. If its your passion. You will dedicate your life searching every nook and cranny for answers. Even to the point of asking God for the answers.

If your search for answers only goes to the point of asking God for the answers it cannot be really classed as dedicating your life can it? Perhaps an afternoon?

Maybe got home from school after discussing the topic with your buddies for the first time. Next you probably asked your parents. Maybe a sibling next. At the very latest asking God would be after you've done your homework.

So you did mean "They". That's fine, congratulations on being special.

However with the mirage of beliefs everywhere how can you be sure you have not been fooled.

I'm not saying you are not superior than me. Just curious how you can be sure.

You say you have difficulties explaining the simple message to dull people.
A person corrupted and deceived by the mirages of belief everywhere would have a similar experience.




To see clearly one must clean ones own house. For if the windows to your house are not clean then you will not be able to see out properly.
A cleaning of your temple is needed. When the temple gates are left open, unwanted guests (thieves) will enter and take control.
A cleaning of house requires fasting and correct diet (no meat) , penance, sacrifice, discipline, prayer, surrender, love of God and Gods grace.

a reply to: TheInfiniteFantastic

Mathew 5: 24 -25

Therefore if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar. First go and be reconciled to your brother; then come and offer your gift. Reconcile quickly with your adversary, while you are still on the way to court. Otherwise he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison.…

I have seen this verse used by one person against another, it went like this:
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When the Offertory Hymn began, and the deacons were passing the plates a man came through the door and walked up the center aisle. We will call him the Plaintiff. When the hymn ended, and the Minister stood to offer the Dedicatory Prayer, the Plaintiff then faced the Minister and said loudly enough for the whole congregation to hear, "I have ought against thee, be reconciled to me before this offering is made at the alter."

The Minister replied, "Wait in my office and I will hear your complaint after the service is complete."

The Plaintiff responded, "I have given you the chance to follow the Lord's word. You refuse. Therefore the guilt be on your head." Then he turned, walked down the aisle, out the door, and the service proceeded on.
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Do you think the Plaintiff was using the words ostensibly from Jesus in the way they were intended?

a reply to: pthena

Yes.