Finland home invasion. Homeowner sentenced to 4 years. Criminal invaders sentenced to house arrest.

And Europe wonders why the have people like Anders Breijvik. It seems to me they are seeking to have the next vigilante strike when this pissed off guy gets out of jail.

a reply to: gladtobehere

Absolutely absurd! In any country, in any part of the world it should be accepted that if someone comes trying to cause harm or steal from you in your own house that you can in effect kill that person to stop them.

Its understood that if someone comes to rob you, its clear that even hitting them until they fall over will not stop them. They will get up, with their weapons and now angry, could kill you. I am sorry but loosing your life or even loosing a limp is not an option. This judge needs locking up, what an a**hole.

They should have given that man a Badge of honour and turn the others into slaves for finland.

It's very hard to make a judgement on this particular case given the limited details of the story.

In the US/UK self-defence laws are mostly common sense; but the extent of the force you can use and the burden-of-proof that you acted reasonably can vary massively.

UK self-defence law basically boils down to; Section 3 of Criminal Law Act 1967:

"A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of crime, or in effecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or suspected offenders or of persons unlawfully at large."

The key here is that the phrase "such force as is reasonable". Making a convincing case of the need to shoot a burglar dead would generally be very difficult, but not impossible - generally speaking this law also applies to armed police officers.

There have been cases of burglars/robbers being injured or even killed in the UK by their victim, and the victim is rightly not prosecuted. These rarely make it into the mainstream UK media unlike cases where the home-owner/victim is treated as a vigilante and jailed. Given the low chances of a burglar in the UK being armed (less prison time if caught, and almost zero chance a home owner would have a gun to hand) it would be fool hardy to just shoot them on sight and not expect to be prosecuted. I understand that the opposites are likely true in some parts of the US and countries like South Africa.

Until someone can offer FULL details from a suitably decent site then its almost impossible to do any real comment.

What it looks like and what the truth is can be very far apart...

a reply to: gladtobehere

I loathe European law. I dont care how nice it is, you live in hell.

In Australia, I was told by a friend who has a policeman friend, that perhaps it's better to not leave any witnesses in such a situation. If you know what I mean?

Finns are insane anyway. Anyone who voluntarily chooses to live so far north must be
a) the inferior of the species
b) deficient in sun and all sorts of other essentials like minerals
c) morally deranged
d) mentally deranged.

Welcome to libtard paradise. Former vikings are now thumb sucking morons afraid of their own shadows. Thor is ashamed.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: Redback
The worlds governments are trying their best to destabilize our way of life and are doing a bloody good job of it.

*The silent majority are waking up*

# The UK voted out of the controlling EU. Who would have believed it?

# Other EU member states are now wobbling as to weather to remain in or not

# If France's Marine Le Pen wins the French election

who knows?

# Who would have thought Donald Trump would have got this far? He could

yet be President.

Yup... *the silent majority are waking up*

Yes i agree Eletheia, the people are starting to wake up but very slowly.

Living in N.Ireland i have watched hatred all my life and hated it but what is going on today scares the life out of me, i fear for the young generation now (maybe old age is getting to me) but i have watched a lot of videos about what is going on these days and our governments are playing a very dangerous game but it is for a reason.

The UK voting out of the EU shocked me, i never thought they would let that happen, so again i am scared, there is a reason for that but i cannot figure that one out yet, time will tell the story i guess...!

The EU has been a joke from day one, their new world order failed (this time) because i believe the rest of Europe will now follow us but i am sure there is already a new plan being processed.

I am one of them people who believe that the voting system has and will always be rigged, all over the world and i believe that you guys will have your first female president but does it really matter who is in the white house or number 10 downing street, they will do as they are told by the higher powers anyway. (this old age is making me very cynical these days.lol)...

Your election year has me very interested this time, it will be very interesting to see what happens

a reply to: intrptr

Theres your sign. How do we know he didn't subdue them and torture them with a knife for an hour?

Who cares?

If he had, the intruders surely would have regretted their decision to break-in to someone's home.

Finland sounds like the place to be, I can commit a B&E and expect only house arrest and reparations from my victims if they attack me.

That's awesome.

a reply to: AMNicks

You can only use objects found naturally around the house if needed..

Do you not have gun bushes in the UK? I've got one growing wild out in my backyard.

a reply to: LordSatan

have the 3d printer on standby to print one out quick.

a reply to: ZeroFurrbone

Every murder is a killing, but not every killing is a murder.


Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. It is a concept that is defined by law, you're using murder as an appeal to emotion to get reactions out of people.

Your premise is absurd. If you ran into my house with a gun drawn because you "heard screaming," you're going to get shot because I'm not psychic and have no objective means of knowing you're coming to play the hero. For all I know you could be crazy and intent on harming my family.

Humans have the right to protect themselves. The only reason you would disagree, is because you want to be able to attack others with impunity.

If I wanted to harm people without being able to fight back, I'd make self-defense illegal.

You obviously want to harm others.

a reply to: TrueBrit

This!!!

a reply to: Suanna

Thank you for a view from someone in country...

Most of us are trying to layer our views over your countries, and we should know better.

Hope yall figure it out, truly do.

That we don't know the whole story seems fairly obvious to me...

Having said that, unless the guy spent an hour or two torturing the criminals, I'm not sure why he's the bad guy here.

As has been pointed out, the moral of the story here is if there is a break-in at your home don't let the bad guys walk away...you may lose the he said/you said battle that will ensue. Make sure it's a you said/you said story. Arrange the evidence as you see fit. Your home, of course your finger prints are going to be all over the place...and you had to check to see if the crooks, or rather dead crooks, were alive or not.

Oh, and lawyer up!!

'course, a shovel and an alibi are always options, too.

I had a sheriff tell me once if a criminal attacks you in your own home with a weapon to fill them with lead, roll them up,
and take them out in the hills and bury them "deep".

He did not want to do all the paper work

a reply to: gladtobehere

I was discussing this issue with friends yesterday.
in a society that is dysfunctional, the citizen has a moral and civic duty to kill certain criminals.

whether it's someone breaking in your home or a terrorist, killing the criminal is your duty.

most people I know, women have received firearms training for this purpose.

our politically correct society no longer deals with reality.

trials that cost millions of dollars for an obviously guilty terrorist, shows the decadence and failure of our society.

it's now up to the individual to step up and defend society.

a reply to: citizen6511

That is an interesting take on civic responsibility.

The breaking into a home--that I understand, and certainly relate.

What is a terrorist, though? I have one definition, yours may not agree with mine. This is where the problem is.

I'm absolutely not trying to start an argument, but I'd really like to a more in-depth explanation. Not sure I agree, but not sure I disagree, either.